Notice SI: McCollum for Wiggins Trade Should but Won’t Happen

[Rastapopoulos]

I don't necessarily think Wiggins is better than CJ but I do think he would make us better and has a higher overall ceiling. The article makes a solid point that both teams have a redudancy issue.

Both suck at defense, both are good scorers, but Wiggins might complement the rest of our roster better. Don't like his game like I like CJ's, though. If they threw in Bjelica I'd be sorely tempted. You have to involve a team with cap space because of Wiggins, so...

And at this point Minny would be dumb to do it.

 

[blue9]

If you don't think redundancy is a problem, then I don't know what to tell you. They are two combo scoring guards who rely on their handles and a quick trigger. They don't always share the floor but they do a lot, especially in crunch time. When they are both on the court, they just take turns playing iso rather than effectively play off each other.

This is why you try a new coach before trading, arguably, a Top 5 SG. A coach who knows how to utilize more than two players at once would be a godsend! (And the only thing Terry knows what to do with two players is pick/pop!)

 

[calvin natt]

You know what trade that should and won't happen?

Klay Thompson + Iggy + Jordan Bell + 1st rounder for LeBron
(works salary-wise)

LBJ will not win a championship this year in Cleveland.
LBJ will be leaving Cleveland next year.
Cleveland has almost zero pieces to begin a rebuild.
Works for Cleveland.
Works for GS
Works for LBJ.

The only ones it doesn't work for are Klay and Iggy (and the rest of the teams in the league), but that's the business.

Why would GS do this?

 

[jlprk]

Olshey paid McCollum double what McCollum contributes. We need roster balance...a scoring small forward, not a redundant guard.

 

[calvin natt]

Does anyone think that maybe Wiggins, being all of 22 years old maybe will improve both his 3 pt shooting and his defense? He's 6'7, an elite athlete and from I hear, not a bad guy so isn't any locker room cancer type. Not every 20 year old comes out of college ready to defend or shoot. Also, CJ doesn't defend either. Its not like they'd be giving up a good defender for a bad one. They would need to continue to address their 3 pt shooting, yes. But this trade idea isn't 'ridiculous'. I have no idea when/if it can happen with their current deals, but player for player, its not a stretch.

 

[Natebishop3]

Does anyone think that maybe Wiggins, being all of 22 years old maybe will improve both his 3 pt shooting and his defense? He's 6'7, an elite athlete and from I hear, not a bad guy so isn't any locker room cancer type. Not every 20 year old comes out of college ready to defend or shoot. Also, CJ doesn't defend either. Its not like they'd be giving up a good defender for a bad one. They would need to continue to address their 3 pt shooting, yes. But this trade idea isn't 'ridiculous'. I have no idea when/if it can happen with their current deals, but player for player, its not a stretch.

Having seen what Stotts has done with other players, I think his shooting would improve if he were to be traded to the Blazers, but his defense would not improve. So we might see better three point shooting and FT shooting, which would be great, but he would not become the defensive force that he was predicted to be. Hell, if Thibbs can't make him an elite defender, I don't think anyone can.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Does anyone think that maybe Wiggins, being all of 22 years old maybe will improve both his 3 pt shooting and his defense? He's 6'7, an elite athlete and from I hear, not a bad guy so isn't any locker room cancer type. Not every 20 year old comes out of college ready to defend or shoot. Also, CJ doesn't defend either. Its not like they'd be giving up a good defender for a bad one. They would need to continue to address their 3 pt shooting, yes. But this trade idea isn't 'ridiculous'. I have no idea when/if it can happen with their current deals, but player for player, its not a stretch.

Straight up, couldn't do it until summer. But theoretically it could be possible as a multiple team trade.

 

[Natebishop3]

Straight up, couldn't do it until summer. But theoretically it could be possible as a multiple team trade.

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And honestly, if I'm Cleveland I'd rather just do Love for CJ straight up.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

And honestly, if I'm Cleveland I'd rather just do Love for CJ straight up.

I dunno--their biggest problem seems to be defense. Dealing two allergic-to-defense stretch bigs for some serious multi-level defense (including a stretch 4) very well could fix what's broken over there.

 

[Natebishop3]

I dunno--their biggest problem seems to be defense. Dealing two allergic-to-defense stretch bigs for some serious multi-level defense (including a stretch 4) very well could fix what's broken over there.

Defense is definitely a problem, but that won't improve until they move Thomas. I was never high on that guy from the beginning. I'm sure most of what they wanted from that Kyrie trade was the draft pick, but Thomas doesn't seem to be working out at all.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Defense is definitely a problem, but that won't improve until they move Thomas. I was never high on that guy from the beginning. I'm sure most of what they wanted from that Kyrie trade was the draft pick, but Thomas doesn't seem to be working out at all.

Nor Calderon, nor Rose. They went out and got three PGs to try to replace Kyrie, but between the three, they get ZERO on the ball defense from the PG position.

Combine that with Kevin Love playing out of position at center, and it's a defensive disaster in today's NBA with so many great PGs.

No on the ball defense + no rim protection == disaster.

BNM

 

[Natebishop3]

Nor Calderon, nor Rose. They went out and got three PGs to try to replace Kyrie, but between the three, they get ZERO on the ball defense from the PG position.

Combine that with Kevin Love playing out of position at center, and it's a defensive disaster in today's NBA with so many great PGs.

No on the ball defense + no rim protection == disaster.

BNM

I'm curious what kind of value Thomas has right now. Probably not great on the heels of all the Kevin Love drama. But I can't imagine they will want to re-sign him. Especially if LeBron leaves.

 

[Boob-No-More]

I'm curious what kind of value Thomas has right now. Probably not great on the heels of all the Kevin Love drama. But I can't imagine they will want to re-sign him. Especially if LeBron leaves.

He's on a cheap, expiring contract, but he flat out sucks right now and just called out a sick teammate after missing 38 games and playing the worst defense on the planet. He's have one of the worst "contract years" ever. If he doesn't play, no one will offer him a huge contract due to injury concerns. If he does play, his horrible defense is exposed playing for a team with no rim protection to cover his mistakes.

BNM

 

[SportsAndWhine]

Straight up, couldn't do it until summer. But theoretically it could be possible as a multiple team trade.

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So our starting lineup would be

Dame
Turner
Johnson
Aminu
Nurkic

with Love and Crawford off the bench?

Best,
Sherry Thots

 

[PtldPlatypus]

So our starting lineup would be

Dame
Turner
Johnson
Aminu
Nurkic

with Love and Crawford off the bench?

Best,
Sherry Thots

Nah--I was smart enough to send Aminu to LA

 

[Boob-No-More]

So our starting lineup would be

Dame
Turner
Johnson
Aminu
Nurkic

with Love and Crawford off the bench?

Best,
Sherry Thots

No, no, no!!! You've got it all wrong

Crawford at PG
Dame playing SG and running the Brandon Roy iso
Turner playing SF and getting in everyone's way
Love at PF
Aminu as our small ball center

Sincerely,
Tate McMillotts

 

[SportsAndWhine]

Nah--I was smart enough to send Aminu to LA

So we'll start Meyers at PF!

Signed,
Lyres Menard

 

[SportsAndWhine]

No, no, no!!! You've got it all wrong

Crawford at PG
Dame playing SG and running the Brandon Roy iso
Turner playing SF and getting in everyone's way
Love at PF
Aminu as our small ball center
Patty C roving on the three point line for spacing

Sincerely,
Tate McMillotts

FTFY (my favorite play of the last 10 years!)

 

[Natebishop3]

He's on a cheap, expiring contract, but he flat out sucks right now and just called out a sick teammate after missing 38 games and playing the worst defense on the planet. He's have one of the worst "contract years" ever. If he doesn't play, no one will offer him a huge contract due to injury concerns. If he does play, his horrible defense is exposed playing for a team with no rim protection to cover his mistakes.

BNM

I wonder who could even use him...

I think I'd see if I could get NY to do Kanter/Lee/O'Quinn for Thompson/Shumpert/Thomas.

 

[Boob-No-More]

I wonder who could even use him...

I think I'd see if I could get NY to do Kanter/Lee/O'Quinn for Thompson/Shumpert/Thomas.

Yeah, I can't think of any team that would give up an asset of any kind for a 35 game rental of Isaiah Thomas.

IT has gone from MVP candidate to negative trade value.

Maybe they throw him into the George Hill deal with SAC to get the salaries to match. Who knows. SAC are morons. It doesn't hurt to ask.

BNM

 

[dviss1]

Does anyone think that maybe Wiggins, being all of 22 years old maybe will improve both his 3 pt shooting and his defense? He's 6'7, an elite athlete and from I hear, not a bad guy so isn't any locker room cancer type. Not every 20 year old comes out of college ready to defend or shoot. Also, CJ doesn't defend either. Its not like they'd be giving up a good defender for a bad one. They would need to continue to address their 3 pt shooting, yes. But this trade idea isn't 'ridiculous'. I have no idea when/if it can happen with their current deals, but player for player, its not a stretch.

You didn't see how he was getting USED the other night by multiple Blazers? He's not even Harkless good at D...

I'm sorry. CJ is worth MUCH more.

 

[BlayZa]

i want to trade for someone proven, not someone who is struggling to be avg, but may MAY end up being decent.

 

[Natebishop3]

Yeah, I can't think of any team that would give up an asset of any kind for a 35 game rental of Isaiah Thomas.

IT has gone from MVP candidate to negative trade value.

Maybe they throw him into the George Hill deal with SAC to get the salaries to match. Who knows. SAC are morons. It doesn't hurt to ask.

BNM

He needs to be the primary scorer on offense. That's how the Celtics played him. The problem with that is that you can completely shut down their offense if you shut down Thomas. That's what Atlanta did to them a few years ago. He was completely ineffective so the Celtics died. I could see him being the best player on a shitty team, so Sac would make sense, or Phoenix.

 

[ripcityboy]

I love it when the medium propose trades for us involving our beset players. Thanks guys. I am sure Olshey gets a kick out of these.

 

[dviss1]

Olshey paid McCollum double what McCollum contributes. We need roster balance...a scoring small forward, not a redundant guard.

What a load of crap...

 

[calvin natt]

smh

 

[Wizard Mentor]

CJ for Butler!!!!!

The Tpups would NEVER go for it. Oh well.

 

[dviss1]

But this trade idea isn't 'ridiculous'.

I wouldn't do it. CJ is a MUCH better player. And CJ is a better defender than Wiggins as well. Eye test and Numbers.

Edit: Wiggins gets one more attempt at the line but can't shoot free throws to save his life. Also he gets the same number of rebounds as CJ??? He should be getting 7+ per game.

 

[calvin natt]

Also factor in CJ is 4 years older. I agree - CJ is the better player. I think Wiggins will get better. I also have no idea what CJ would get around the league. Ideally I’d like to keep him and Lillard and somehow drastically improve the other positions but not sure how to do so without giving some value up.

 

[dviss1]

Also factor in CJ is 4 years older. I agree - CJ is the better player. I think Wiggins will get better. I also have no idea what CJ would get around the league. Ideally I’d like to keep him and Lillard and somehow drastically improve the other positions but not sure how to do so without giving some value up.

Wiggins will always be a sub par defender. His coach is Thibs and he's still horrible on D.