illmatic99
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oof$7M is well above the TPMLE, as I noted in another thread. I don't think any team would use it's full (tax payer's) MLE on Simons if Simons were a free agent, so he'd have to improve by leaps and bounds to become a "good trade asset." Considering Simons started out as completely unplayable and has improved only modestly over a few years, I would definitely not gamble a $7M/year deal on his improving that much.
A guard who can do nothing well except execute catch-and-shoot jumpers isn't worth more than the minimum. The Warriors just waived a guy, Mychal Mulder, who fits that description. I might add a million or two extra per year (above the minimum) in hopes that Simons' athleticism translates into something (it hasn't yet), but that's about it.
But Cronin might be trying to do BDA a solid and get ahead of the negotiations to build rapport with the agency(hope this isn't the case).
he did the same with CJ's trade, so there is precedence. Apples/Oranges with this situation but still, some guidelines perhaps, into how Cronin does business.It’s funny because I have heard this kind of thing for years, and I don’t think I have ever seen the payoff.
I just remember hearing at least several times that Neil was doing some agent a solid and I don’t think I ever remember it helping us.he did the same with CJ's trade, so there is precedence. Apples/Oranges with this situation but still, some guidelines perhaps, into how Cronin does business.


yes, and only for 4 yrsEven if OKC offered Simons MAX, wouldn't it be below our MAX?
yes, and only for 4 yrs
Could that hurt us? Would we rather match a 4 year or have that fifth year?
I worry if we just send him out to get an offer for us to match, someone is going to sign him to a crappy deal for us, like 3 years with a player option after 2 sort of situation. I much prefer to lock him in for 5.considering how quickly Cronin dumped Powell's 5 year deal, Blazers might prefer a 4 year contract
there's also the fact that while Portland can offer 8% step raises, another team can only offer 5% raises. That can make a 5M difference over 4 years
I worry if we just send him out to get an offer for us to match, someone is going to sign him to a crappy deal for us, like 3 years with a player option after 2 sort of situation. I much prefer to lock him in for 5.
I worry if we just send him out to get an offer for us to match, someone is going to sign him to a crappy deal for us, like 3 years with a player option after 2 sort of situation. I much prefer to lock him in for 5.
No, not at all. I do think we will make him a good offer. Sorry, I quoted you, but I guess wasn't really responding to what you had said, was just kind of piggy backing off of the thought of what another teams offer could look like.are you assuming the Blazers are not going to make him an offer before he tests the market?
No, not at all. I do think we will make him a good offer. Sorry, I quoted you, but I guess wasn't really responding to what you had said, was just kind of piggy backing off of the thought of what another teams offer could look like.
And just expressing my desire to lock him up long term if we believe in him. Because it'd be a disaster to have a 2-1 contract, letting him become an UFA at 24 years old, if he continued this progression.
From what I saw OKC won't have nearly that much capspace because SGA's extension is kicking in, I think they are near 98-99 mil and that is I think without picks but does include Favors opting in for 10 mil which I think he almost certainly does.well, I only think there is one team that could make a max offer to Simons that might. And that's OKC, and like I said, they might want some payback for Kanter. I doubt they'd bother though
by the way, I just ran the numbers using the projected 121M salary cap. If the math is right, a max 5 year offer for Simons will be 175M....that's 35M/year. a Max 4 year deal in an offer sheet would be 32.5M/year. It would be a 4-year/130M deal. Do people really think some team is going to offer that?
From what I saw OKC won't have nearly that much capspace because SGA's extension is kicking in, I think they are near 98-99 mil and that is I think without picks but does include Favors opting in for 10 mil which I think he almost certainly does.
I do think the Pistons will offer him that if he continues to play the way he has and we continue to win. That's one thing that might not be factoring into the conversation around if Dame and Ant will fit together going forward. If we have to match something like that for Ant and we need to give Dame that extension... tying up what would be around 85M on your back court when neither is a good defender at the time that you spend that future money is fucking stupid.by the way, I just ran the numbers using the projected 121M salary cap. If the math is right, a max 5 year offer for Simons will be 175M....that's 35M/year. a Max 4 year deal in an offer sheet would be 32.5M/year. It would be a 4-year/130M deal. Do people really think some team is going to offer that?
you sure? did not look like it to meI posted OKC's projection above in this thread. It's a little below 80M.
I do think the Pistons will offer him that if he continues to play the way he has and we continue to win. That's one thing that might not be factoring into the conversation around if Dame and Ant will fit together going forward. If we have to match something like that for Ant and we need to give Dame that extension... tying up what would be around 85M on your back court when neither is a good defender at the time that you spend that future money is fucking stupid.
you sure? did not look like it to me
Well then if Ant keeps doing what he's been doing and unless the Thunder are going to try something crazy, I am hoping that he gets a four year deal that starts out around 25 for next season and ends up around 30. That being said we'll still likely be spending close to 80M on our back court in a few seasons but if we're contending and it's the best back court in the league then I have no problem with that. I won't be fine with it if they are a hole that compromises our defense.Detroit will have less than 30M in space once their draft pick is factored. But that will be essentially wiped out by Bagley's cap-hold unless they renounce his rights. I really doubt they'd be willing to do that
Well then if Ant keeps doing what he's been doing and unless the Thunder are going to try something crazy, I am hoping that he gets a four year deal that starts out around 25 for next season and ends up around 30. That being said we'll still likely be spending close to 80M on our back court in a few seasons but if we're contending and it's the best back court in the league then I have no problem with that. I won't be fine with it if they are a hole that compromises our defense.
kinda offhand comment, but CJ on his podcast today said he saw Ant in the locker room before the game and joked with him about how "I know he's got his deal in place so it's good that he gets some rest and be fresh for next season."
Probably the worst kept secret in the NBA that both Ant and Nurk already have agreed to new contracts.
40 for both would be a win for Cronin.probably
but this will be another test of Cronin. I think both Ant and Nurk have caps on how much they could expect on the free agent market. Combined, I think it would be in the 35-40M range in first year salary
