Simons contract extension?

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These are Sexton's numbers btw.

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And Ant's:

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The contract Sexton gets should be the comp for Ant (and vice versa).
 
$7M is well above the TPMLE, as I noted in another thread. I don't think any team would use it's full (tax payer's) MLE on Simons if Simons were a free agent, so he'd have to improve by leaps and bounds to become a "good trade asset." Considering Simons started out as completely unplayable and has improved only modestly over a few years, I would definitely not gamble a $7M/year deal on his improving that much.

A guard who can do nothing well except execute catch-and-shoot jumpers isn't worth more than the minimum. The Warriors just waived a guy, Mychal Mulder, who fits that description. I might add a million or two extra per year (above the minimum) in hopes that Simons' athleticism translates into something (it hasn't yet), but that's about it.
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But Cronin might be trying to do BDA a solid and get ahead of the negotiations to build rapport with the agency(hope this isn't the case).

It’s funny because I have heard this kind of thing for years, and I don’t think I have ever seen the payoff.
 
It’s funny because I have heard this kind of thing for years, and I don’t think I have ever seen the payoff.
he did the same with CJ's trade, so there is precedence. Apples/Oranges with this situation but still, some guidelines perhaps, into how Cronin does business.
 
he did the same with CJ's trade, so there is precedence. Apples/Oranges with this situation but still, some guidelines perhaps, into how Cronin does business.
I just remember hearing at least several times that Neil was doing some agent a solid and I don’t think I ever remember it helping us.
 
if the Blazers are letting the market decide Ant's next salary, then there are only a few teams that could theoretically offer him a max deal.With a 121M salary cap, and from BBREF (2nd column is next season):

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Chicago is no threat and neither is Memphis considering they'll be trying to extend Morant this summer

Indiana? they have Brogdon & Hield locked up on long term deals; and they are decent contracts. They have TJ McConnell locked up on a 4 year deal that is leas than MLE money. And they have Tyrese Haliburton and Chris Duarte on rookie contracts. They are no threat

Detroit? They have Cade Cunningham and Killian Hayes playing PG, along with Cory Joseph. They also have Diallo and Jackson at guard. And they have a 20M cap-hold on Bagley that cap-number above doesn't account for. Unlikely to be a Simons suitor, but possible

Orlando? that's a deceptive number above. They have a 31M cap-hold for Gary Harris; a 21M cap-hold for Wendall Carter; and a 23M cap-hold for Mo Bamba. They have to renounce all three in order to clear enough space for Simons. They also have Cole Anthony and Jalen Suggs filling the role that Simons plays. They are no threat

San Antonio? They have newly-minted all-star Dejonte Murray at PG. They just traded for Josh Richardson. They have Lonnie Walker at SG as well and he has a 13.3M cap-hold this summer. And McDermott is signed for two more years. The Spurs would have to juggles things and renounce Walker to make a max offer. Unlikely to be a Simons suitor

so that makes Detroit and San Antonio as the only 2 possible threats, and circumstances makes both unlikely

plus, every team would know that the Blazers are sure to match so that means the only teams that may make an offer are any teams that want to fuck with Portland's future cap & tax situation. I see only one team that might fit: OKC

now, that number above show OKC only 15M below the cap. But if you pull up their team page:

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it shows them more than 40M below the cap. BB Insiders says they only have 69M in guaranteed salary, but they haven't done a trade deadline update yet. So the Thunder almost certainly have the space to make Ant a max offer. But would they?

go back to 2015. The Aldridge team had just broken up. Portland had gobs of cap-space. They offered Greg Monroe a max deal but he refused. They turned to Aminu and Ed Davis, signed both, but still had the space for a max deal. So, Olshey decided to send a fuck you to Presti and OKC by making a max offer to Enes Kanter. Could it be time for payback even though Paul Allen and Olshey are gone?

I don't know but I'd think OKC is by far the biggest threat.
 
I don't think Detroit holds off on offering Simons a ton of money over Killian Hayes. I think they offer him a boatload of money.
 
Could that hurt us? Would we rather match a 4 year or have that fifth year?

considering how quickly Cronin dumped Powell's 5 year deal, Blazers might prefer a 4 year contract

there's also the fact that while Portland can offer 8% step raises, another team can only offer 5% raises. That can make a 5M difference over 4 years
 
considering how quickly Cronin dumped Powell's 5 year deal, Blazers might prefer a 4 year contract

there's also the fact that while Portland can offer 8% step raises, another team can only offer 5% raises. That can make a 5M difference over 4 years
I worry if we just send him out to get an offer for us to match, someone is going to sign him to a crappy deal for us, like 3 years with a player option after 2 sort of situation. I much prefer to lock him in for 5.
 
I worry if we just send him out to get an offer for us to match, someone is going to sign him to a crappy deal for us, like 3 years with a player option after 2 sort of situation. I much prefer to lock him in for 5.

Yeah, that's another angle I hadn't thought about, but I agree that there's some major risk in sending him out to see what he can get.
 
I worry if we just send him out to get an offer for us to match, someone is going to sign him to a crappy deal for us, like 3 years with a player option after 2 sort of situation. I much prefer to lock him in for 5.

are you assuming the Blazers are not going to make him an offer before he tests the market?
 
are you assuming the Blazers are not going to make him an offer before he tests the market?
No, not at all. I do think we will make him a good offer. Sorry, I quoted you, but I guess wasn't really responding to what you had said, was just kind of piggy backing off of the thought of what another teams offer could look like.
And just expressing my desire to lock him up long term if we believe in him. Because it'd be a disaster to have a 2-1 contract, letting him become an UFA at 24 years old, if he continued this progression.
 
by the way, I just ran the numbers using the projected 121M salary cap. If the math is right, a max 5 year offer for Simons will be 175M....that's 35M/year. a Max 4 year deal in an offer sheet would be 32.5M/year. It would be a 4-year/130M deal. Do people really think some team is going to offer that?
 
No, not at all. I do think we will make him a good offer. Sorry, I quoted you, but I guess wasn't really responding to what you had said, was just kind of piggy backing off of the thought of what another teams offer could look like.
And just expressing my desire to lock him up long term if we believe in him. Because it'd be a disaster to have a 2-1 contract, letting him become an UFA at 24 years old, if he continued this progression.

well, I only think there is one team that could make a max offer to Simons that might. And that's OKC, and like I said, they might want some payback for Kanter. I doubt they'd bother though
 
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well, I only think there is one team that could make a max offer to Simons that might. And that's OKC, and like I said, they might want some payback for Kanter. I doubt they'd bother though
From what I saw OKC won't have nearly that much capspace because SGA's extension is kicking in, I think they are near 98-99 mil and that is I think without picks but does include Favors opting in for 10 mil which I think he almost certainly does.
 
by the way, I just ran the numbers using the projected 121M salary cap. If the math is right, a max 5 year offer for Simons will be 175M....that's 35M/year. a Max 4 year deal in an offer sheet would be 32.5M/year. It would be a 4-year/130M deal. Do people really think some team is going to offer that?

I'm not sure what his value is around the league. He's still very young. He's playing very well. I'd say that there's a good chance he has a shot at MIP and that will help his value.
 
From what I saw OKC won't have nearly that much capspace because SGA's extension is kicking in, I think they are near 98-99 mil and that is I think without picks but does include Favors opting in for 10 mil which I think he almost certainly does.

I posted OKC's projection above in this thread. It's a little below 80M.
 
Another thing to point out... this FA class is awful.

Really glad that Ant is an RFA. I can't imagine what Norm or GTJ would have gotten this summer if they were free agents.
 
by the way, I just ran the numbers using the projected 121M salary cap. If the math is right, a max 5 year offer for Simons will be 175M....that's 35M/year. a Max 4 year deal in an offer sheet would be 32.5M/year. It would be a 4-year/130M deal. Do people really think some team is going to offer that?
I do think the Pistons will offer him that if he continues to play the way he has and we continue to win. That's one thing that might not be factoring into the conversation around if Dame and Ant will fit together going forward. If we have to match something like that for Ant and we need to give Dame that extension... tying up what would be around 85M on your back court when neither is a good defender at the time that you spend that future money is fucking stupid.
 
I do think the Pistons will offer him that if he continues to play the way he has and we continue to win. That's one thing that might not be factoring into the conversation around if Dame and Ant will fit together going forward. If we have to match something like that for Ant and we need to give Dame that extension... tying up what would be around 85M on your back court when neither is a good defender at the time that you spend that future money is fucking stupid.

Detroit will have less than 30M in space once their draft pick is factored. But that will be essentially wiped out by Bagley's cap-hold unless they renounce his rights. I really doubt they'd be willing to do that
 
Detroit will have less than 30M in space once their draft pick is factored. But that will be essentially wiped out by Bagley's cap-hold unless they renounce his rights. I really doubt they'd be willing to do that
Well then if Ant keeps doing what he's been doing and unless the Thunder are going to try something crazy, I am hoping that he gets a four year deal that starts out around 25 for next season and ends up around 30. That being said we'll still likely be spending close to 80M on our back court in a few seasons but if we're contending and it's the best back court in the league then I have no problem with that. I won't be fine with it if they are a hole that compromises our defense.
 
Well then if Ant keeps doing what he's been doing and unless the Thunder are going to try something crazy, I am hoping that he gets a four year deal that starts out around 25 for next season and ends up around 30. That being said we'll still likely be spending close to 80M on our back court in a few seasons but if we're contending and it's the best back court in the league then I have no problem with that. I won't be fine with it if they are a hole that compromises our defense.

in 2017-18, the Blazers ranked 8th in the league in defense, and that's with Dame & Cj as the back court, and this was the supporting cast:

Al-Farouq Aminu
Jusuf Nurkić
Evan Turner
Maurice Harkless
Shabazz Napier
Ed Davis
Pat Connaughton
Zach Collins
Noah Vonleh

there is no DPOY there, just a couple of big who played defense and solid to good defenders on the perimeter. And this was accomplished in the Stotts defense with his heavy drop scheme. Portland will have Nurk-Hart-Nas-Winslow which is a good start on solid defenders. I think Watford is solid as well; so is Dennis Smith.

and Billups will be the coach. I have some concern about a Dame/Ant back court, but Dame/CJ never had a 3rd guard like Hart, or a coach like Billups

it probably won't happen but I'd much rather Simons was in the 20-25M range than the 25-30M range
 
kinda offhand comment, but CJ on his podcast today said he saw Ant in the locker room before the game and joked with him about how "I know he's got his deal in place so it's good that he gets some rest and be fresh for next season."

Probably the worst kept secret in the NBA that both Ant and Nurk already have agreed to new contracts.
 
kinda offhand comment, but CJ on his podcast today said he saw Ant in the locker room before the game and joked with him about how "I know he's got his deal in place so it's good that he gets some rest and be fresh for next season."

Probably the worst kept secret in the NBA that both Ant and Nurk already have agreed to new contracts.

probably

but this will be another test of Cronin. I think both Ant and Nurk have caps on how much they could expect on the free agent market. Combined, I think it would be in the 35-40M range in first year salary
 
probably

but this will be another test of Cronin. I think both Ant and Nurk have caps on how much they could expect on the free agent market. Combined, I think it would be in the 35-40M range in first year salary
40 for both would be a win for Cronin.
 

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