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both in terms of raw stats and efficiency (which is frankly insane given the expectations heaped onto Edwards at the start of this season by everyone).

we also have more wins.
I mean, all that being said, I don't think Anfernee makes it. But I think a lot of times we see a player once, or see highlights or stat sheet and it's a little bit of the grass is greener situation. But when we watch every game of theirs, the nitpicking comes out.
 
Sure it could be argued though I'd give Edwards the nod at this point. Most of their stats are pretty close except Rebounds & Steals where Edwards gets close to twice as many.

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And Simons has a higher PER, higher TS%, a lower TO% on similar usage, double the WS/48, a positive BPM, not the negative Edwards has, and over double VORP. I don't think I'd give someone the edge based on 2.6 rebounds and .7 SPG, personally.
 
a lot of competition in the west at guard. No need to look at guys like Curry, Doncic, Morant, Booker, or even Dame (assuming he stays healthy the rest of the way and plays well)

there are some guys, who like Ant, are looking for their first appearance:

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Simons would have an advantage over Edwards but not over SGA & Fox. Simons vs Bane is closer, but Bane having an advantage in rebounds & assists while being on a better team might tip the scales in his favor (unless Portland gets on a winning streak again and Ant remains as hot as he's been the last week or so).

And the problem with slotting Doncic as a forward is that the front court will be fairly crowded. Barring injuries, it seems safe to say that Jokic, Lebron and AD would be in. Lauri Markannen sure seems like a lock at this point. Sabonis is averaging 17-11-7 and is 3rd in assists for all front court players. If Paul George comes back, stays healthy, and plays well, he'd just about be a lock. And the Pelicans are 2nd in the west right now because of Zion and Ingram. That's 8 'deserving' front court players and 2 would have to be eliminated in order to make room for Doncic

seems like it would take a rash of injuries for Ant to climb into the all-star game....or him averaging 30 points from now thru Feb. on scalding hot shooting
 
i think the discussion is getting slightly sidetracked. my intent with this thread was not about Ant being an all star this year.

it was more about us potentially having to recalibrate his ceiling in the long run.
 
i think the discussion is getting slightly sidetracked. my intent with this thread was not about Ant being an all star this year.

it was more about us potentially having to recalibrate his ceiling in the long run.
Your title suggests the thread is about Ant and his hot streak....there's nothing off the rails about allstar competition as it ties to the thread....if you have another intention why not express it in a post and let us know what you think
 
Is there a way to pull his numbers with and without Dame?

I can do it manually but I really don't want to.
 
probably another sidetrack, and obviously we're dealing with a sample-size issue...

but is it safe to say at this point that Portland is quite a bit better off with Dame/Ant than Dame/CJ?

I'd vote yes, definitely
 
Your title suggests the thread is about Ant and his hot streak....there's nothing off the rails about allstar competition as it ties to the thread....if you have another intention why not express it in a post and let us know what you think
? huh?
 
Is there a way to pull his numbers with and without Dame?

I can do it manually but I really don't want to.

you use to be able to do that at BBREF before they implemented a paywall. Maybe somewhere at NBA.com?

but I'm not sure what that would reveal. If Dame isn't there taking possessions away from Simons, it would increase Ant's possessions. That's how it worked with CJ. And if Dame plays without Ant, then Dame's numbers would increase. Again, that's how it worked with CJ. Those two guys are the primary ball-handlers so if one is out the other will be handling the ball more


That sure didn't mean that Portland should have traded Dame and kept CJ (yeah, I may be jumping ahead of you there and you may not even be trying to head that direction...again)
 
I think with Dame, Ant and Grant on the floor, likely usage of each goes down all things being equal. But on any given night the hottests hands should get the touches. Those three are a pretty good offensive trio. I don't know where they stack up among other top trios.
 
you use to be able to do that at BBREF before they implemented a paywall. Maybe somewhere at NBA.com?

but I'm not sure what that would reveal. If Dame isn't there taking possessions away from Simons, it would increase Ant's possessions. That's how it worked with CJ. And if Dame plays without Ant, then Dame's numbers would increase. Again, that's how it worked with CJ. Those two guys are the primary ball-handlers so if one is out the other will be handling the ball more


That sure didn't mean that Portland should have traded Dame and kept CJ (yeah, I may be jumping ahead of you there and you may not even be trying to head that direction...again)
Is there a way to pull his numbers with and without Dame?

I can do it manually but I really don't want to.
I just did this past 7 game stretch that Dame missed from 11/20 to 12/3 on nba.com.

Simons: 29.4 pts, 5.4 asts, 2.7 rebs, 2.4 to, 47.7% FG, 42.3% 3pt, 63% TS 116 ORTG.

He had Steph Curry numbers but the team went 2-5.

I don't necessarily agree that we need to break them apart. Everyone has to sacrifice stats to win and that's what Ant is doing in Dame's presence.
 
i think the discussion is getting slightly sidetracked. my intent with this thread was not about Ant being an all star this year.

it was more about us potentially having to recalibrate his ceiling in the long run.
Which is why my response was -
Win a bunch of games and win a Championship and he's in.

I don't think it matters much this year. If the team excels then the All-Star spots open up. Remember there still needs to be exposure which this team this year is not going to get without earning it. If the Blazers make the league and the fans take notice then that second spot becomes a reasonable expectation. Right now? Not so much.
 
https://www.rotowire.com/basketball/court-on-off.php?team=POR

One random site I found, looks like per 36, Simons averages close to 7 points more w/o Lillard, 2 more assists, a 9% higher usage.

and, there are the win/loss records with-Dame and without-Dame

if you give 1 loss each to with-Dame & without-Dame of the games Dame was injured during...Portland has an 8-3 record with Dame; and a 5-8 record without him
 
and, there are the win/loss records with-Dame and without-Dame

if you give 1 loss each to with-Dame & without-Dame of the games Dame was injured during...Portland has an 8-3 record with Dame; and a 5-8 record without him
Yeah it's pretty obvious why Simons averages more points and assists without Lillard.
It's the wins and losses that count. The team is better with Lillard.
 
exactly my response when you said allstar talk was off track but you said something about recalibrating Ant's production? Back at you with "huh?" Weren't you comparing him to Edwards just a few posts ago? Just trying to understand what you posted and why you responded the way you did. Your title isn't as specific as your post seemed to want discussions to be. Ant is playing like an allstar this season...of course he'll score less with Grant and Dame on the court.
 
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exactly my response when you said allstar talk was off track but you said something about recalibrating Ant's production? Back at you with "huh?" Weren't you comparing him to Edwards just a few posts ago? Just trying to understand what you posted and why you responded the way you did. Your title isn't as specific as your post seemed to want discussions to be
relax. i said slightly off track because all the posts were about all star this year. was trying to talk more about the big picture. sheesh, who pissed in your cornflakes this morning?
 
relax. i said slightly off track because all the posts were about all star this year. was trying to talk more about the big picture. sheesh, who pissed in your cornflakes this morning?
I'm not pissed off...not sure how that got in the discussion.....you asked me a "huh" question in response to my post....I answered it sans piss or cornflakes ...back at ya with 'relax"
 
I just did this past 7 game stretch that Dame missed from 11/20 to 12/3 on nba.com.

Simons: 29.4 pts, 5.4 asts, 2.7 rebs, 2.4 to, 47.7% FG, 42.3% 3pt, 63% TS 116 ORTG.

He had Steph Curry numbers but the team went 2-5.

I don't necessarily agree that we need to break them apart. Everyone has to sacrifice stats to win and that's what Ant is doing in Dame's presence.

My main concern is that they seem to play the same position and I don't think either one plays nearly as good in a different role.
 
Simons is a great shooter. Not sure that is really debatable and you have to have multiple shooters on a team to win. They might not all need to start, but you still need them. The Blazer right now have three really good ones thanks to the acquisition of Grant. His shooting has caught me by surprise. Can he sustain it? Potentially by next year, we will have 4 at 4 different positions. (I see Sharpe as an SF as he matures) I do not want to get rid of any of them.

In a perfect world, all 4 of those shooters would also be good defenders, but good luck finding a player in a trade who can shoot as well as Dame and Ant AND play great defense. Who would give up a player like that in a trade? Occasionally it happens when a player demands to be traded but that does not happen very often and Portland is usually not their preferred destination.

So I guess the question is how much of a downgrade in shooting would we be ok with in order to get an upgrade in size/defense? Or is it smarter to keep the shooters we have and mix them in with good defenders? We need a full season IMO to figure that out.
 
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All I know is that five years from now a backcourt of Ant and Sharpe will be a pretty solid base for a rebuilt Blazers post-Dame. I don’t think you give that up easily.
Might be quicker than that? Gotta figure Dame will slow down in 2-3 years. Not disagreeing with 5. Just think 37 is definitely on the downhill side.
 
All I know is that five years from now a backcourt of Ant and Sharpe will be a pretty solid base for a rebuilt Blazers post-Dame. I don’t think you give that up easily.

keep in mind that 1 year before that, Ant will have been an unrestricted free agent. No guarantee he'll still be a Blazer
 
And Simons has a higher PER, higher TS%, a lower TO% on similar usage, double the WS/48, a positive BPM, not the negative Edwards has, and over double VORP. I don't think I'd give someone the edge based on 2.6 rebounds and .7 SPG, personally.
Draw whatever conclusions you want based on whatever you want. I've never noted anyone siting BPM or VORP here before, but you do you... hell, I've consistently been killed every time I refer to PER. Most of their stats including those you sited are very close, which I noted in my previous post.

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All I know is that five years from now a backcourt of Ant and Sharpe will be a pretty solid base for a rebuilt Blazers post-Dame. I don’t think you give that up easily.
Yup, I hope to see Ant and Sharpe here for the next decade. Ant needs to become more of a PG, but he is a fairly decent one whenever Dame has been out. I can’t actually think of a top flight SG that came into the league with a PG this side of Klay. Booker had to wait how many season before getting a real PG, 5 or 6? I think Sharpe is really going to benefit from having Ant this early in his career who can build up that chemistry with him going into his prime.

Both of these guys really seem like they have the potential to do it all on offense. Good chance this backcourt can become what Wall and Beal thought they were in WAS (no shade though).
 
Yup, I hope to see Ant and Sharpe here for the next decade. Ant needs to become more of a PG, but he is a fairly decent one whenever Dame has been out. I can’t actually think of a top flight SG that came into the league with a PG this side of Klay. Booker had to wait how many season before getting a real PG, 5 or 6? I think Sharpe is really going to benefit from having Ant this early in his career who can build up that chemistry with him going into his prime.

Both of these guys really seem like they have the potential to do it all on offense. Good chance this backcourt can become what Wall and Beal thought they were in WAS (no shade though).

I thought we've been over this Simons HATES Sharpe! It will never happen.
 

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