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raptors wont make any trade with us that doesnt include sharpe

i dont want rookie cronin to go against superstar masai
 
andalusian said:
NOLA is fine with him now, for sure, he gave them a veteran leader in the locker room next to the young studs. His production is secondary for them, for now. They might come to regret it later, but that's the cost of doing business in the NBA.

Love CJ, but the Blazers were right to do that trade, especially when you see that this season Hart himself gives you pretty much the same production as CJ on a fraction of the cost.
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I don’t ever look at the stats, but Hart’s numbers are similar to CJ’s?
 
wizenheimer said:
I'm certain they are not fine with what CJ has given them, either in last season's playoffs or this season. He's shot terrible in half of his games in New Orleans. To this point in the season, he has 338 points on 338 shots. Yikes!! Last season in the play-in game against the Clippers and the playoffs, he had 152 points on 149 shots. So, over his last 27 games, 490 points on 487 shots. Making all that worse is that he's averaging the most FGA's on the Pels. He's shooting 1.4 more times a game than Zion and Ingram; and 7.4 more times a game than Valunciunas and Murphy. That in spite of his abysmal TS%:

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same sort of upside down differential in the playoffs last year:

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the rest of the team is averaging 1.37 points/shot; CJ is averaging .37 points/shot less

looks like the Pels thought CJ's playoff performance was an aberration and rewarded him with an extension based upon the regular season. Pretty sure they are having 2nd thoughts right now

CJ is not as bad a shooter as he's been this season. He's very likely going to turn that around and start climbing towards his norms. But CJ definitely has the MeJ genes ingrained in his DNA by now
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Too many numbers bro. Their coaches LOVE CJ and what he brings to the team. He can get a bucket when they need it. They are extremely happy compared to what they gave up for him.
 
andalusian said:
Pretty much. Same efficiency, cj scores 5 more points a game, hart is better at defense and rebounding. Yes, this year, cj is playing like a nice role player at best.
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actually, CJ scores 7.3 more points; but he needs 9.5 more shots to score those 7.3 more points. Per 100 possessions, CJ scores 10.3 more points on 13.1 more shots. Hart has scored 223 points on 171 shots; CJ has scored 356 points on 354 shots. CJ has averaged 1.03 points/shot; Hart has averaged 1.31

CJ is better at assists, but then he has twice the usage rate as Hart and 50% more touches. Hart is better at most everything else like defense, rebounding, and hustle

salary: CJ 33.3M....Hart 12.9M

yeah, give me Hart & Grant over CJ & Nance, 8 days a week, 11 times out of 10
 
The Pels are very pleased with CJ as their 3rd option.
 
wizenheimer said:
a 3rd option doesn't lead the team in FG attempts while being last on the team in efficiency
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This one seems to and it’s working. Put your hate for this player to the side and acknowledge its working kid.
 
THE HCP said:
This one seems to and it’s working. Put your hate for this player to the side and acknowledge its working kid.
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they have a .667 winning percentage with CJ and a .750 winning percentage without him
 
CJ has been in a bad slump lately (did just ok last game) and can't be happy with his own performance. His role on the Pels is new territory for him and is still getting used to it.
 
THE HCP said:
This one seems to and it’s working. Put your hate for this player to the side and acknowledge its working kid.
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What’s working is Zion and Ingram with Herb Jones and incredible roleplayers like Alvarado. CJ + Nance <<<<Grant let alone Grant + Hart.
 
Idog1976 said:
What’s working is Zion and Ingram with Herb Jones and incredible roleplayers like Alvarado. CJ + Nance <<<<Grant let alone Grant + Hart.
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Just a side note. If teams don't guard CJ he will flat out COOK them. This helps other players on that team no question.
 
Fairly-Hard said:
Just a side note. If teams don't guard CJ he will flat out COOK them. This helps other players on that team no question.
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in other words, if CJ doesn't get to draft off of the wake of defensive attention Dame gets, he's not as good?
 
wizenheimer said:
in other words, if CJ doesn't get to draft off of the wake of defensive attention Dame gets, he's not as good?
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Who would be? That has never been in question?
You’re better than this? Any player playing next to Dame is going to have some relief from the attention Dame gets.
 
Fairly-Hard said:
Who would be? That has never been in question?
You’re better than this? Any player playing next to Dame is going to have some relief from the attention Dame gets.
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apparently, I'm not "better than this"....but then I had to endure people telling me for years that CJ would be a better player with his own team, and without Dame, then he was with Dame. That he'd be an all-star with his own team one he was out from under Dame's shadow. It's still possible I suppose, but CJ is 31 and the early returns aren't positive
 
wizenheimer said:
apparently, I'm not "better than this"....but then I had to endure people telling me for years that CJ would be a better player with his own team, and without Dame, then he was with Dame. That he'd be an all-star with his own team one he was out from under Dame's shadow. It's still possible I suppose, but CJ is 31 and the early returns aren't positive
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But still the question you asked was obvious. Even Simons gets good looks when playing with Dame.
Also it seems Dame can get some good looks now that Simons is commanding attention.

It’s simply not cut and dried CJ is better here or there. Lots of thing in the mix but you know this also. Why am I in this conversation?
Should have left it alone.
 
wizenheimer said:
they have a .667 winning percentage with CJ and a .750 winning percentage without him
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I can do this all day bro. They are a better team since they traded for him. He is a better 3rd option they they used to have. He might be the best 3rd option in the league. They are in 1st in the west with him. You keep digging for numbers. One of their stars goes down, they slide, but what team doesn’t. The PELS love that CJ is on their roster…..accept it. Don’t understand the hate.
 
Idog1976 said:
What’s working is Zion and Ingram with Herb Jones and incredible roleplayers like Alvarado. CJ + Nance <<<<Grant let alone Grant + Hart.
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Ohhhhh, I didn’t realize CJ hasn’t had a positive impact on the team at all my bad.
 
THE HCP said:
I can do this all day bro. They are a better team since they traded for him. He is a better 3rd option they they used to have. He might be the best 3rd option in the league. They are in 1st in the west with him. You keep digging for numbers. One of their stars goes down, they slide, but what team doesn’t. The PELS love that CJ is on their roster…..accept it. Don’t understand the hate.
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Agree but I can’t do it all day. I grow tired I guess.
 
I think they are better with CJ and Portland better with Hart and Grant. CJ has a different role than he did at Portland. As the seasoned vet, he is the team's emotional leader, as it were.
 
I’ll end this…. I had TWO coaches on their staff last month tell me to my face they “FUCKING LOVE THIS KID” ON and OFF the court he has made them a better team. I don’t know what more I can say. I don’t have nuclear mathematician data to share, just what his coaches say. I root for the dude.
 
THE HCP said:
I’ll end this…. I had TWO coaches on their staff last month tell me to my face they “FUCKING LOVE THIS KID” ON and OFF the court he has made them a better team. I don’t know what more I can say. I don’t have nuclear mathematician data to share, just what his coaches say. I root for the dude.
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that's fine, but you're not talking with people here unfamiliar with CJ. He played over 600 games as a Blazer and we're quite familiar with his strengths and weaknesses
 
wizenheimer said:
that's fine, but you're not talking with people here unfamiliar with CJ. He played over 600 games as a Blazer and we're quite familiar with his strengths and weaknesses
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Never said I was. You continue to post about how bad CJ is as a player and struggling, all I’m saying is, his new team loves him and they’re in first place. There really isn’t much more to say. Like I mentioned earlier, injuries might happen and they’ll slide, who knows. But they are good to go with him as their third option.
 
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