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Phatguysrule said:
Nothing matters except getting everyone lots of touches and getting them good coaching.

If that happens the cream will rise to the top.
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If Scoot and Simons are auditioning for leadership role, Scoot is already six assists ahead. I think Scoot will establish himself as charismatic leader by December, and Simons will be in a more practical battle with Shaedon for starting SG duties.

I’m not worried; Clyde didn’t start at first either (he wasn’t a regular starter until his third year). Shaedon has to grow and he’ll get the minutes to do so, but probably not until later in the season. He’s gotta earn it with positive impact. Billups is old school like that.
 
The way I see it, Scoot has pushed Ant out of any consideration for being the starting point guard. As long as Brogdon is on the team, he shouldn’t see any backup PG minutes either. He’s currently slated as the starting SG. It’s up to Sharpe to try to push Ant out of that spot. He’s definitely got the physical tools to do it, but I don’t think he’s shown the drive yet to make it happen as of now. He can get pretty complacent when he’s on the court.
 
"Hate to be that guy," lol...

EDIT: I agree (to some extent, I haven't given up hope on him yet) with your premise, btw.
 
Portland2014 said:
Hate to be that guy, but I wanna say it before we play our first competitive game: Simons is the black sheep of this team

He's gonna get his stats, he will average the same points on good % of players who's gonna make the ASG, but those stats won't mean anything to us
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Who's stats on this team will actually matter though. Who's stats on ANY non playoff team matters? Shit Westbrook averaged a triple double on a playoff team and this place said it didn't matter.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
My eyes tell me a different story. There is no way you can convince me that these two are better outside shooters than Ant.....despite what their stats are.
Other factors play into it. Maybe Ant should just catch and shoot like them, but sometimes there is a need to create their own shot. Neither Grant nor Brogodon can do that from beyond the arc as well as Ant.

For the record, I think he should eventually come off the bench once Sharpe is ready.
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ok...last season, 68.4% of Ant's three's were assisted; 66.1% of Brogdon's three's were assisted; 97% of Grant's were assisted (51.6% of Dame's three's were assisted). So, yeah, Grant relies on the team to get him those catch&shoot and spot-up opportunities. But Brogdon created 34% of this three's while shooting 44.4%. Ant created 31% of his three.s while shooting 37.7%. Pretty significant difference even after factoring Ant's higher volume

the one issue with those numbers is I can't tell what their actual shooting percentages were when they created for themselves vs the team creating the shot opportunities. But there was enough of a gap in overall three efficiency I have to conclude Brogdon was better at creating his own three's

the 'yeah-but' to that is Brogdon has been pretty inconsistent year by year, but I'm thinking that was due to health. He's had trouble staying healthy

one thing to keep in mind about Ant:

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basically, as his minutes and 3ptFGA have climbed, his 3ptFG% has dropped. His overall FG% has climbed because he's become better at two's. His overall TS% has dropped because he hasn't increased his FT Rate as much as his FGA and usage

but that's just another pretty solid indication that Ant's best role would be a 25-28 minute/game 6th man
 

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Cronin needs tankers. He needs pro non-Allstar starters that are cool with faking injuries so the Blazers can lose on purpose near the end of the season.

starter A)
Simons "missed" final 19 games of the 2022 season. Blazers lost as much as possible. Drafted #7 Sharpe.

Simons "missed" final 11 games of 2023 season. Blazers lost as much as possible. Drafted #3 Scoot.

starter B)
Grant "missed" final 8 games in 2021 season. Pistons lost as much as possible. Drafted... #1 Cade ?? I think

Grant "missed" final 9 games of 2022 season. (plus a handful of previous games). Pistons lost as much as possible. Drafted #4 Ivey.

Grant "missed" final 14 games of 2023 season. Blazers lost as much as possible. Drafted #3 Scoot.

starter C)
Lillard "missed" final 10 games of 2023 season. Blazers lost as much as possible. Drafted #3 Scoot.
*important note* - Lillard absolutely freaked out about losing on purpose. Questioned Portland's sportsmanship. So Damian asked to be traded. The Blazers eventually found a new team for Damian to play for that won't lose games on purpose. (Milwaukee)

starter D)
Ayton ?? speculation "missed" final (X) games of 2024 season. Blazers lose as much as possible. Draft # 1-8

long story short, Anfernee & Grant and maybe Ayton won't have a cow when Cronin & Billups need to finish the season losing games on purpose to elevate higher draft percentages.

under the new CBA, All-Star players cannot "fake injuries" so their team can lose on purpose. Lillard had to be traded for the Blazers end of season tank to operate correctly. Followed immediately by All-Star Jrue Holiday being traded to avoid the same circumstance.
 
Portland2014 said:
Hate to be that guy, but I wanna say it before we play our first competitive game: Simons is the black sheep of this team

He's gonna get his stats, he will average the same points on good % of players who's gonna make the ASG, but those stats won't mean anything to us

He's the Monta Ellis/CJ McCollum of the situation, the sooner we get rid of him, the better

We're fortunate to have a guy like Scoot who's a team first guy, but Simons is the opposite

He will dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble and then again dribble dribble dribble and then Jack up shots like there's no tomorrow

He can't defend even against Steve Blake at 50

He's gonna steal minutes from Sharpe, possessions from Scoot

Honestly I was so hyped for this season but Anfernee is at risk of ruin everything
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Zzzzz, oh look everyone, Simons is now the new scapegoat everyone will be complaining about.

Soon to be Ayton as the season goes on, this forum does what it does best, complain
 
I consider Simons and Sharpe to be the same kind of players. Flashy, talented, explosive—but not smart enough or disciplined enough to be great all-around players. I think Sharpe is going to be a bust. He’s probably already hit his ceiling.
 
Portland2014 said:
And yet there will be people mid-season who's gonna yell: "Anfernee is underrated!" "he's got All star numbers!" "He's still only 24!" "Dame loved him!"

Such a shame...

My hope is that somehow someway Orlando who is his hometown wants him...

I would trade him even for Isaac
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Thank god you’re not a GM lmao.

Whats a shame is how much people love to complain 24/7 on here
 
Tince said:
The prediction of Ant be the new scape-goat only took one preseason game to begin. Grant will clearly be the other one.

Once they're both gone, Sharpe will be the next target.
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I'm going to blame Jabari Walker's 5 minute shift why the Blazers lose. Even if he hits all 3 of his shots and grabs 4 rebounds.
 
Whyachi said:
Cronin needs tankers. He needs pro non-Allstar starters that are cool with faking injuries so the Blazers can lose on purpose near the end of the season.

starter A)
Simons "missed" final 19 games of the 2022 season. Blazers lost as much as possible. Drafted #7 Sharpe.

Simons "missed" final 11 games of 2023 season. Blazers lost as much as possible. Drafted #3 Scoot.

starter B)
Grant "missed" final 8 games in 2021 season. Pistons lost as much as possible. Drafted... #1 Cade ?? I think

Grant "missed" final 9 games of 2022 season. (plus a handful of previous games). Pistons lost as much as possible. Drafted #4 Ivey.

Grant "missed" final 14 games of 2023 season. Blazers lost as much as possible. Drafted #3 Scoot.

starter C)
Lillard "missed" final 10 games of 2023 season. Blazers lost as much as possible. Drafted #3 Scoot.
*important note* - Lillard absolutely freaked out about losing on purpose. Questioned Portland's sportsmanship. So Damian asked to be traded. The Blazers eventually found a new team for Damian to play for that won't lose games on purpose. (Milwaukee)

starter D)
Ayton ?? speculation "missed" final (X) games of 2024 season. Blazers lose as much as possible. Draft # 1-8

long story short, Anfernee & Grant and maybe Ayton won't have a cow when Cronin & Billups need to finish the season losing games on purpose to elevate higher draft percentages.

under the new CBA, All-Star players cannot "fake injuries" so their team can lose on purpose. Lillard had to be traded for the Blazers end of season tank to operate correctly. Followed immediately by All-Star Jrue Holiday being traded to avoid the same circumstance.
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I'm calling BS.

Sharpe and Scoot are better players today than anybody we could have traded anything but Dame for. Except in extremely lopsided trades that would hurt more than they helped.

Shutting good players down when they can't get to the playoffs is the norm.

Now with the new rule they will just play very lite minutes.
 
Phatguysrule said:
I'm calling BS.

Sharpe and Scoot are better players today than anybody we could have traded anything but Dame for. Except in extremely lopsided trades that would hurt more than they helped.

Shutting good players down when they can't get to the playoffs is the norm.

Now with the new rule they will just play very lite minutes.
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the league went after the Mavs hard for playing Luka "light" minutes. It's a point of emphasis. No tanking with All-stars.
 
Phatguysrule said:
I'm calling BS.

Sharpe and Scoot are better players today than anybody we could have traded anything but Dame for. Except in extremely lopsided trades that would hurt more than they helped.

Shutting good players down when they can't get to the playoffs is the norm.

Now with the new rule they will just play very lite minutes.
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I'm not disagreeing with the Blazers tank. I simply listed "fake injury" missed games. The Blazers gave themselves an open-minded opportunity for a 3rd straight "end of season" Blazer tank with 0 All-Star players on this roster.
 
Whyachi said:
I'm not disagreeing with the Blazers tank. I simply listed "fake injury" missed games. The Blazers gave themselves an open-minded opportunity for a 3rd straight "end of season" Blazer tank with 0 All-Star players on this roster.
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That's just a part of the process. Having an old All Star on this team wouldn't be good for anybody. They don't want this situation, they want titles. And they'd just take minutes that our younger players need.
 
I've been on the Trade Ant bandwagon for over 2 years now but I just don't think he garners much interest around the league. Blew it by not trading him at the deadline the first year Chauncey coached the tank. His value has never been higher. I'd rather keep Brogdan for the money and use Skylar Mays as a backup pt guard. I don't think this will happen but who knows? Nobody looked great on offense against the Kiwis yesterday in my view.
 
Tince said:
The prediction of Ant be the new scape-goat only took one preseason game to begin. Grant will clearly be the other one.

Once they're both gone, Sharpe will be the next target.
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From the game thread of the game nobody could really watch it seemed to me like it was clearly Grant that will be the guy S2 turns on but you may be right now that I have been reading more. Simons is taking some heavy abuse.
 
kjironman1 said:
From the game thread of the game nobody could really watch it seemed to me like it was clearly Grant that will be the guy S2 turns on but you may be right now that I have been reading more. Simons is taking some heavy abuse.
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maybe I'm not paying close enough attention but I don't see anybody saying things about Simons that haven't been said, repeatedly for 2-3 years, by lots of posters
 
riverman said:
I've been on the Trade Ant bandwagon for over 2 years now but I just don't think he garners much interest around the league.
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pre-draft portland would only take back a two-way wing for Ant that can help Dame win.

In this new context, we can take back different types of packages that may not look like that.

for example, my current POV is NOT to try to get an OG-type asset back, but rather more flier wings with upside in the hopes that one of them hits through development. (in the same vein as camara, rupert and murray)

or, a negative-value contract and some juicy picks.

the latter two ideas would have been non-starters in the dame era.
 
wizenheimer said:
maybe I'm not paying close enough attention but I don't see anybody saying things about Simons that haven't been said, repeatedly for 2-3 years, by lots of posters
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I think you'll notice that is's louder this year.

As I see it, this board, in general, overvalues the potential of 19 year olds and undervalues the production of players in their 2nd and 3rd contract on the team. So predicting the whipping boy is pretty easy.
 
Tince said:
The prediction of Ant being the new scape-goat only took one preseason game to begin. Grant will clearly be the other one.

Once they're both gone, Sharpe will be the next target.
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It’s cute that you think it just begun. I have been unhappy with Simons as the starting shooting guard for at least a year.
 
Tince said:
I think you'll notice that is's louder this year.

As I see it, this board, in general, overvalues the potential of 19 year olds and undervalues the production of players in their 2nd and 3rd contract on the team. So predicting the whipping boy is pretty easy.
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in that context sure

but another context is the 'familiarity-breeds-contempt' context. The longer people have to watch obvious flaws in players that aren't ever corrected while the players keep being rebooted as Blazers, year after year, the more intense will be the contempt
 
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