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Portland2014 said:
And yet there will be people mid-season who's gonna yell: "Anfernee is underrated!" "he's got All star numbers!" "He's still only 24!" "Dame loved him!"

Such a shame...

My hope is that somehow someway Orlando who is his hometown wants him...

I would trade him even for Isaac
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Detroit could use a young shooter.
 
I will admit in retrospect the first line of my post on page one was not right but I will own my screw up but I do stand by the rest of what i said. I am not even sure why I brought up Dame anointing Ant as he left town cause the dislike for Ant has been around much longer then even that from some fans.
 
Hahaha can't wait until we replace Simons with Sharpe and he becomes the decently-efficient 20+ PPG scorer we hope he can be.

Because then we'll have the 3rd iteration of all these threads!!!
 
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I like Ant for what he is, a very talented 3 level scorer who isn’t a good defender. Lots of one way players in the NBA. You still need guys to fill roles and having a guy that can get his at anytime is a huge benefit in close games. He’s also a guy who can get white hot and win you games that we shouldn’t win.
 
beast crnjo said:
The Blazers need to run the offense through Scoot. I don't want Grant and Anferee out there just trying to get their numbers.
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The entire team will benefit if they run the offense through Scoot.

Simons will get more open looks.

Grant will get more open looks.

Ayton will get more open looks.

Just give the kid the damn ball.
 
Natebishop3 said:
The entire team will benefit if they run the offense through Scoot.

Simons will get more open looks.

Grant will get more open looks.

Ayton will get more open looks.

Just give the kid the damn ball.
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that's also a predictable offense I'd think would be simple to defend...IF, the Blazers don't have a front court player that can be a secondary initiator or at the very minimum, can find open passing lanes with some consistency while putting ball on the floor. A younger version of Batum with a more aggressive mindset would be excellent. When he was averaging over 5 assists for Portland he was doing so with almost no dribbling and the ball was in and out of his hands in less that 3 seconds, often less than 2 seconds; and he was excellent at hockey assists

so all the Blazers have to do is find a 2-way forward who can dribble-drive and average 15-7-5 on good efficiency while shooting above 38% on three's. Easy peasy
 
It boggles my mind that anyone is using one preseason game against a non-NBA team that we won by 40 as any sort of new evidence that they were right that Simons is not worth retaining.
 
Ed O said:
It boggles my mind that anyone is using one preseason game against a non-NBA team that we won by 40 as any sort of new evidence that they were right that Simons is not worth retaining.
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Did someone say that this one game was proof positive that he needs to go? I think most people have wanted to move away from an undersized shooting guard for a WHILE. This one game has nothing to do with it. He didn't even play that badly. I personally am just done with it. Rather go Scoot/Shaedon and see what happens.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Did someone say that this one game was proof positive that he needs to go? I think most people have wanted to move away from an undersized shooting guard for a WHILE. This one game has nothing to do with it. He didn't even play that badly. I personally am just done with it. Rather go Scoot/Shaedon and see what happens.
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Did I say "proof positive"? No.

Why are you asking me that question?
 
Ed O said:
Did I say "proof positive"? No.

Why are you asking me that question?
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You said - "It boggles my mind that anyone is using one preseason game against a non-NBA team that we won by 40 as any sort of new evidence that they were right that Simons is not worth retaining."

Who was in the thread saying that this one preseason game was new evidence (aka proof positive) that he's not worth retaining? Seems like it's just the same conversation that wholistically, having a tiny ass backcourt is not a good thing.
 
Wizard Mentor said:
Until proven otherwise, he has no net problems on the offensive side of the ball. The question is defense. Is his defense so bad that he is a net negative? It's a compelling question, that again I'd like to see argued with actual stats.
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In general, I look for plus offense from guards and plus defense from wings and Bigs. Bigger players have to shut down the interior from closer easy shots, smaller players have to be able to overcome tough D and still score especially from the outside. I'm happy that Ant is on the team and think he's a talent. Like a lot of scorers, he's better when he's more of the focus then peripheral to an attack and there should be plenty of opportunities for him this upcoming season. Defensively though, he's best matched up on smaller guys then wings. Hopefully he'll gain some full grown man strength and be able to better handle wings going forward, but so far he's usually been overpowered by bigger guys. Hopefully he and Scoot are doing the iron sharpens iron thing going up against each other in practice.

STOMP
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Why can't Scoot guard SGs? He is long enough and he is certainly strong enough.
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Of course the PG guards the other team's SG as teams switch on D all the time. Scoot will be switched on to Wings as well. While I don't have high hopes for him excelling at this year one, it's because of his strength/length and competitiveness that he could be a defensive beast in time.

STOMP
 
Ed O said:
It boggles my mind that anyone is using one preseason game against a non-NBA team that we won by 40 as any sort of new evidence that they were right that Simons is not worth retaining.
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You obviously are new here sir/ma’am.
 
Ed O said:
It boggles my mind that anyone is using one preseason game against a non-NBA team that we won by 40 as any sort of new evidence that they were right that Simons is not worth retaining.
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It's not like he's an unknown rookie, he's been here years and years, we know exactly what to expect

People forget too quickly, it takes just one off season and it seems like players will change drastically, it's not like this

I still have in my eyes every possession in which Sharpe was wide open and Simons had his classic tunnel vision just for his shot
 
Pinwheel1 said:
What do you base that on? I mean has he ever alluded to that in any way? Usually, the players who don't want to come off the bench are those who want a big payday (he already got his) and those who think they are better than the person starting ahead of them. Right now Ant probably needs to start, but once it becomes obvious that the team is better off with him coming off the bench then I don't think he is the type of player who would pout.

To be clear just because he comes off the bench doesn't mean he would not play in crunch time. That should be determined on a game-by-game basis.
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In crunch time I want the ball in either Scoot or Sharpe's hands, but if Ant is open swing it and let him kill them. The only exception is when we are down by 3 with one possession then I want Ant taking the three, other than that corner case I will always prefer Scoot or Sharpe to be taking that shot as we aren't winning this year anyways, and I want those two to show how they perform under pressure.
 
LayneStaley said:
What’s this Sharpe doesn’t wanna be here stuff all about, I’m not seeing that at all.
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I'm not seeing that either sounds like some sort of made up blackpill fantasy. Sometimes Sharpe doesn't really go for it, especially if it doesn't matter. When it matters and if he is given minutes, shots and a major role, even if as 6th man, then I think he will take the next step. I don't see anything like what some doomers are saying.
 
Bingo Bango said:
I consider Simons and Sharpe to be the same kind of players. Flashy, talented, explosive—but not smart enough or disciplined enough to be great all-around players. I think Sharpe is going to be a bust. He’s probably already hit his ceiling.
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I am gonna come back and use this quote as my signature when Sharpe is lighting up the league. In fact, why wait?
 
BIG Q said:
If he maxes out as Travis Outlaw V2, yes.
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He's already better than Outlaw come on! He was a rookie on a team stacked at guard. When he finally got minutes and was the focus of teams on defense who were trying to get into the playoffs, he still absolutely tore it up. Do people just think that was a fluke? I saw a guy with SUPERSTAR potential, I maybe had a fever dream once of that with Outlaw who was in his mid 20's and clearly dumb as a box of rocks. Sharpe is intelligent, reflective, and unbelievably talented. Absolutely ridiculous comp, just cause he can jump high?
 
I wonder what will happen when teams double Scoot and front Ayton? Hmmm? Might need to watch a few games before we come to many conclusions?
 
Natebishop3 said:
He didn't even play that badly. I personally am just done with it. Rather go Scoot/Shaedon and see what happens.
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Scoot has never played a game and Sharpe was in a small role as a 19 year old last season. There is plenty of opportunity for those two to build up their offensive roles while having some experience in Ant/Ayton/Grant support them.

It would be much worse for Scoot Sharpe development to hand them the entire offense and have them predictably fail.

Blazers sent out a very high usage ball dominant player a couple weeks ago in Lillard. There are more than ample opportunities for the young talent here as is.

I don't understand the rush to quickly send out the only proven NBA offense this team has. The Blazers would possibly have the worst immediate offensive NBA talent in the league if those changes were done right now.

Yes Ant defense is a likely weakness long term. That doesn't mean it should have a short term action or overreaction.
 
Ed O said:
Did I say "proof positive"? No.

Why are you asking me that question?
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Lol…. Go back and reread your own post….Because the only mind boggle IS your first post about people just using one preseason game as a judgement…
Super confusing post and even more baffling response to the rebuttal.
 
People often bring up the example of the Warriors splitting up the Monta Ellis - Steph Curry duo. Well guess what;

#1 Steph was a 4 year college player with a shorter learning curve than Scoot/Sharpe

#2 Warriors got a key two way starter in Bogut for Ellis; they didn't dump him for nothing

#3 Perhaps playing with Ellis helped Curry gradually work his way up to one of the great offensive players of all time, he didn't have to do it all himself the first few years

#4 Curry and Ellis played together TWO and a HALF YEARS!

Perhaps one day it'll make sense to split up the Ant Scoot Sharpe trio. Warriors e entually did it with Ellis. Lakers eventually did it with Eddie Jones. But that time is NOT TODAY!
 
Idog1976 said:
In crunch time I want the ball in either Scoot or Sharpe's hands, but if Ant is open swing it and let him kill them. The only exception is when we are down by 3 with one possession then I want Ant taking the three, other than that corner case I will always prefer Scoot or Sharpe to be taking that shot as we aren't winning this year anyways, and I want those two to show how they perform under pressure.
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I am sure Scoot and Shae will get their opportunities. However, I do like having this option as well:

 
Ed O said:
It boggles my mind that anyone is using one preseason game against a non-NBA team that we won by 40 as any sort of new evidence that they were right that Simons is not worth retaining.
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Got some real idjits on this board
 
Idog1976 said:
I'm not seeing that either sounds like some sort of made up blackpill fantasy. Sometimes Sharpe doesn't really go for it, especially if it doesn't matter. When it matters and if he is given minutes, shots and a major role, even if as 6th man, then I think he will take the next step. I don't see anything like what some doomers are saying.
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watch the video of Shaedon giving a tour of his home and tell me that he is delighted to be thousands of miles from home. he wants to be near his family in toronto.
 
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