Simons is a nightmare

[Idog1976]

you know basketball fans are disgruntled, when harping on rookies becomes a talking point.

The Blazers went from playoff team to tank masters over these last 2 years. It's sometimes difficult for the fanbase to make that adjustment.

My advice is to go read some blogs about the Pistons or something. Getting opposing team rebuilding input can do wonders. Sure the Detroit fans rag on the rookies a little bit, but they also keep their expectations low because there is always going to be a learning curve when drafting ultra-young players. Bad rookie/sophmore play is listed as comedic relief.

It took Anfernee Simons 4 years to earn a starting rotation spot. But he was also drafted very young, needed time to develop. He's still on the learning curve, has yet to hit peak performance. But flashes of brilliance are certainly there.

When Ant does have those unstoppable offensive games, you basically add jackpot sound effects.

Yes there's tons of work that Simons could/should be doing better. There's no doubt Ant's 1st year as starting guard had flaws, was overwhelming at times. His defense and rebounding and ability to play through contact was overwhelmingly subpar.

Simons is still growing, he's going to have ups & downs. He also doesn't freak out like Lillard when the GM benches him after trade deadline for picks.

Anfernee is a great starting Guard for a Blazer team in rebuilding phase. He's a professional, he doesn't get involved in bad off court stupid crap.

bash away on Shaedon, it don't matter, don't take that criticism seriously. Like I said, Blazer fans ARE NOT USED TO REBUILDING. Everyone in Portland saw a good Blazer team make the playoffs for almost an entire decade

Sharpe has yet to even start year 2 on his projected learning curve. He will have roller coaster games. But try to keep in mind, it took Anfernee over 4 seasons to get moved into a starting spot.

or... Cronin can just trade Anfernee for draft picks at the trade deadline, effectively hacking off the 23 & 5 scoring leg that helps keep the Blazers afloat in the standings.

Tanks are weird, they're not for everyone. It becomes very difficult to actually root for your team to lose.
>> Anfernee sucks, Shaedon sucks! ... good ??

Blazer fans are not accustomed to turning negatives into positives. It's been a long time since Portland had a true rebuild. Probably the Roy, Aldridge, no Oden era was the last full reset button.

This is Anfernee's time to shine. Shaedon is next on deck. It has to go through the simple course of it takes time.

Whoa, this is the best thing I've ever seen you post and is remarkably balanced and nuanced. Do you troll on here a lot? It seems amazing that the same poster who writes way off the deep end stuff (notably about Dame) could write this incredibly well-written and insightful post. The explanation has to be that you were trolling in a lot of those comments and I took the bait. Regardless, this is an absolutely brilliant post!!! I regret I have but one like to give!

 

[Idog1976]

Of course it's too soon to give up on Ant, given that we've just traded Dame.

HOWEVER, he IS a ball-stopper, and a lead guard who needs the ball, rather than a catch-and-shoot guy, which would be the ideal complement to Scoot. I can't help but think that if we made a switch like Sacramento did, in acquiring a cheap low-usage shooter like Kevin Huerter, it would open up our offense, like it helped do for them. Who would that be, though?

I think the solution is to give the keys FULLY to Scoot. I love Ant off-ball and if nothing is developing using him as an outlet with say 8 seconds on the clock. I would prefer Sharpe get those touches, but I also like bringing Sharpe along slowly with a super green light off the bench. Scoot needs to focus on getting Ayton involved early with the P&R, and then finding Simons and other shooters who are open. I'm actually fine with keeping Simons for now and then Sharpe forcing the issue to become the starter.

The real issue on the team right now is Grant, he looks like he doesn't give a fuck and just wants to jack up shots. That might change once the season actually starts. If not, we need to get rid of him and Brogdon at the deadline, preferably for picks or more young SF/PF's to add to the stable. I'd love to see Houston making a real surge towards being a playoff team, them wanting Brog and Grant and us getting one of Eason, Jabari, or Thompson + picks/salary. That's a fantasy I know, but Houston has an embarrassment of riches at the SF/PF. The Nets for Clowney and Whitehead + picks is another trading partner I like.

 

[sheed30]

He’s my biggest fan. Most of the time I’m blissfully unaware of his toxic bullshit because I have had him blocked for years. I think he only visits this site to insult me. He only has like 300 posts and most of them are probably responses to me lol

PapaG alt account?

Toxic bullshit is what you post here on a daily, everyone knows it and sees it.

 

[inconceivable]

I hope Scoot takes note of Simon's form on his J as his needs some real work.

STOMP

Yeah, Ant's jump shot is Ray Allen. It's so beautiful and effective

 

[BassPlaya]

oh for chrissakes...what difference is there between people complaining about players and you complaining about people complaining?

No, there is not. And I think both should be allowed. That said, I notice that the most negative posters about a team (on any board anywhere), are also some of the most butthurt when someone calls them out on it. It's like they think that is the purpose of this board...to vent. Yet, they don't have the confidence, to weather the same vitriol.......aimed at their constant vitriol.

If you guys can complain 24/7 then nothing wrong with me doing the same when I want.

the real point is watching people complain 24/7 gets old real fast.

There certainly is hypocrisy where this is concerned. If the board allows complaining without limits, that that should apply to complaining.....about complaining.

 

[THE HCP]

oh for chrissakes...what difference is there between people complaining about players and you complaining about people complaining?

HUGE difference FAMS……HUGE!

 

[Natebishop3]

No, there is not. And I think both should be allowed. That said, I notice that the most negative posters about a team (on any board anywhere), are also some of the most butthurt when someone calls them out on it. It's like they think that is the purpose of this board...to vent. Yet, they don't have the confidence, to weather the same vitriol.......aimed at their constant vitriol.


There certainly is hypocrisy where this is concerned. If the board allows complaining without limits, that that should apply to complaining.....about complaining.

Ok let’s flip this around.

What if someone was constantly called out for being a homer? They post something positive about the team and the same several posters respond by calling them a fucking homer. Telling them to shut up with the homer takes. Making it always about them and not their homer opinions.

People being blind homers can be just as annoying as people who are negative. But most of the time nobody calls them out because typically people are more tolerant of sunshine pumping.

It’s pretty simple. If you don’t agree with a post, you can either respond and debate or you can ignore. The people who constantly bitch about the person behind the post are toxic and usually don’t contribute much to the forum in actual conversation.

 

[Idog1976]

HUGE difference FAMS……HUGE!

Right because many posters love complaining about other posters and then defend said habit. This is a sports forum about the Blazers so evaluation of play, both positive and negative is sorta the Raison d'etre for the forum.

 

[BassPlaya]

It’s pretty simple. If you don’t agree with a post, you can either respond and debate or you can ignore. The people who constantly bitch about the person behind the post are toxic and usually don’t contribute much to the forum in actual conversation.

See, there is the rub. That is how you want it. That is your opinion. To the bolded, where in the rules or guidelines is that stated? Are you able to see that the bolded is how you want it to be? Are you aware that many people come here for different things? What if someone comes here to talk about the positive things surrounding the team? Just because you use the implied derogatory term "sunshine pumping", does that make it any different that repeated negativity? I have no issue with someone telling me I am too positive. Do you have an issue with someone telling you you're too negative? It sure seems that way.

Your quote of me is a classic example. I gave my view of how I thought that both negativity about the team, and negativity about someone being too negative fall under the same guidelines/rules. You responded with

"The people who constantly bitch about the person behind the post are toxic and usually don’t contribute much to the forum in actual conversation."

This is classic. It's YOUR opinion. But is does not make it so, nor are those folks outside the rules/guidelines. I am coming from a place of interpreting what this forum seems to allow, and you are coming from a place of how you want it to be.

 

[HoopsFanAZ]

Simons shooting from 3 works. He’s looking more aggressive about his game, too — looking to pass on his drives as the path is shutting down. He and Scoot did not look like they were “taking turns” — they’re BOTH aggressive which is a nice change. Ant is stepping forward as (IMHO) he knows that when Shaedon takes his 2nd and 3rd year leaps, then SG is his. It’s all about how much effort Ant puts into improving on D.

Murray kept playing. He did not draw attention to himself, but he was active and played D … not lost at all. Jabari is good at going after the ball and being obviously active. He looks like a 6th or 7th man for a longgg time. But I’ll say it now: Murray will quietly become a quality, starting forward. “Reasonable” ceiling? Buck Williams. Both smart dudes with hard hats and a bit sneaky with athleticism. Yes, I’m a fan of this kind of player. Murray as a PF and switchable at both forward spots, but he’ll need to get stronger.

Scoot is the starting PG. He’s the kind of PG who keeps moving and gets rebounds. I hope Brogdon sticks around for a few cups of coffee. He operates like Andre Miller — at his own pace and confident in what he does. Make sure Brogdon stays healthy in his try-outs with good, opposing teams.

 

[Natebishop3]

See, there is the rub. That is how you want it. That is your opinion. To the bolded, where in the rules or guidelines is that stated? Are you able to see that the bolded is how you want it to be? Are you aware that many people come here for different things? What if someone comes here to talk about the positive things surrounding the team? Just because you use the implied derogatory term "sunshine pumping", does that make it any different that repeated negativity? I have no issue with someone telling me I am too positive. Do you have an issue with someone telling you you're too negative? It sure seems that way.

I don't think you understood my post at all. I was saying, that they're EXACTLY THE SAME THING. Some people come on here, and they have what some people consider to be an inherently negative outlook on the team. They would probably counter and say that they're more logical or more realistic, but that's about perspective. Those people are constantly attacked for having opinions or an outlook that some people find tedious. My point was that there are people who have an inherently positive outlook, and those people can also be tedious, but those people are not constantly attacked for their opinion. So for you to say that some people have thin skin because they don't appreciate being attacked for having an opinion, and not the opinion itself, is unfair because the flip side of the coin is not usually attacked for being annoyingly positive all the time.

And yes, it's against the rules. This site doesn't have many rules, but attacking the poster and not the post IS AGAINST THE RULES.

http://www.sportstwo.com/threads/sports-two-rules-and-staff.192567/

2. This is a big site with a lot of members. You may not like every one of them. However, we expect everyone to at least respect each other.

4. Flame wars are not allowed. We do tolerate poking fun of one another in good fun, but hateful posts towards another poster are not allowed.

7. Everyone is here to offer their opinions, so be prepared to have people disagree with your opinions. There is a difference between attacking someone's post (their opinion) and attacking the poster with the latter not allowed. The staff is here to monitor for such occurrences.

Your quote of me is a classic example. I gave my view of how I thought that both negativity about the team, and negativity about someone being too negative fall under the same guidelines/rules. You responded with

"The people who constantly bitch about the person behind the post are toxic and usually don’t contribute much to the forum in actual conversation."

This is classic. It's YOUR opinion. But is does not make it so, nor are those folks outside the rules/guidelines. I am coming from a place of interpreting what this forum seems to allow, and you are coming from a place of how you want it to be.

It's not just my opinion. People who repeatedly respond to an opinion about the Portland Trail Blazers with an insult or an attack on the person posting that opinion, are breaking the rules of the forum.

 

[BassPlaya]

I don't think you understood my post at all. I was saying, that they're EXACTLY THE SAME THING. Some people come on here, and they have what some people consider to be an inherently negative outlook on the team. They would probably counter and say that they're more logical or more realistic, but that's about perspective. Those people are constantly attacked for having opinions or an outlook that some people find tedious. My point was that there are people who have an inherently positive outlook, and those people can also be tedious, but those people are not constantly attacked for their opinion. So for you to say that some people have thin skin because they don't appreciate being attacked for having an opinion, and not the opinion itself, is unfair because the flip side of the coin is not usually attacked for being annoyingly positive all the time.

And yes, it's against the rules. This site doesn't have many rules, but attacking the poster and not the post IS AGAINST THE RULES.

http://www.sportstwo.com/threads/sports-two-rules-and-staff.192567/

2. This is a big site with a lot of members. You may not like every one of them. However, we expect everyone to at least respect each other.

4. Flame wars are not allowed. We do tolerate poking fun of one another in good fun, but hateful posts towards another poster are not allowed.

7. Everyone is here to offer their opinions, so be prepared to have people disagree with your opinions. There is a difference between attacking someone's post (their opinion) and attacking the poster with the latter not allowed. The staff is here to monitor for such occurrences.

It's not just my opinion. People who repeatedly respond to an opinion about the Portland Trail Blazers with an insult or an attack on the person posting that opinion, are breaking the rules of the forum.

Nate, I will respond, but that's it for me. I will not further this. If you have issues with what you feel is someone breaking the rules, take it up with a moderator. To argue about this topic on the board, may not be a violation here, but it is on many sports boards...some that I moderated. As usual, folks tend to minimize one side when they try to make a point, and maximize when they provide the alternative. It's very common in religion and politics. The tipping point on any of the boards I have moderated on, is defined as, "If you have issue, have issue with the post, not the poster".

"This is a stupid post" is an opinion. "You are a stupid poster", is an attack. If you get the difference, cool.

I will share that I was a contributor on some of the first sports boards on the internet. I have observed both the positivity and the negativity. Let me be clear, over time.........the "Over the top positivity" has not increased, it has decreased, and the "Over the top" negativity, has exploded. Good or bad? My guess is you and I share a different opinion on that. I certainly don't know it all. I can say I have logged probably near 300k posts since the sports boards were forming. I have moderated on 4 boards. Doesn't make me an expert, but it has certainly given me a clear picture of where boards were, where they are now, and where it looks like they are headed.

 

[sheed30]

No, there is not. And I think both should be allowed. That said, I notice that the most negative posters about a team (on any board anywhere), are also some of the most butthurt when someone calls them out on it. It's like they think that is the purpose of this board...to vent. Yet, they don't have the confidence, to weather the same vitriol.......aimed at their constant vitriol.


There certainly is hypocrisy where this is concerned. If the board allows complaining without limits, that that should apply to complaining.....about complaining.

Ya I agree, but there is also a big difference between someone who complains 24/7 and then someone who points it out from time to time like I did, as well as others do.

Guess they are allowed to complain 24/7 but when you say something to them about it, you’re now the problem lol.

so what you said is correct, they can dish the complaining out but they can’t take any of it back.

I never knew “go cry yourself a river” was such a hostile comment lol.

 

[Natebishop3]

Nate, I will respond, but that's it for me. I will not further this. If you have issues with what you feel is someone breaking the rules, take it up with a moderator. To argue about this topic on the board, may not be a violation here, but it is on many sports boards...some that I moderated. As usual, folks tend to minimize one side when they try to make a point, and maximize when they provide the alternative. It's very common in religion and politics. The tipping point on any of the boards I have moderated on, is defined as, "If you have issue, have issue with the post, not the poster".

"This is a stupid post" is an opinion. "You are a stupid poster", is an attack. If you get the difference, cool.

I will share that I was a contributor on some of the first sports boards on the internet. I have observed both the positivity and the negativity. Let me be clear, over time.........the "Over the top positivity" has not increased, it has decreased, and the "Over the top" negativity, has exploded. Good or bad? My guess is you and I share a different opinion on that. I certainly don't know it all. I can say I have logged probably near 300k posts since the sports boards were forming. I have moderated on 4 boards. Doesn't make me an expert, but it has certainly given me a clear picture of where boards were, where they are now, and where it looks like they are headed.

I will tell you where they're headed…. Young people don’t post on forums lol.

We are a dying breed. All of us. Young people like TikTok and YouTube and Reddit. They don’t come on here. I would bet that the youngest people on here are maybe late 20s or early 30s by this point.

Can anyone who is under 25 post and let me know if I’m wrong?

 

[sheed30]

Right because many posters love complaining about other posters and then defend said habit. This is a sports forum about the Blazers so evaluation of play, both positive and negative is sorta the Raison d'etre for the forum.

Um, complaining 24/7 every week is different from someone complaining about their negative takes from time to time.

How can some of you get so riled up when someone calls out their constant complaints from time to time, but stay quiet when they complain on this forum all day lol.

If you don’t have a problem with someones negative take 24/7 then you shouldn’t have a problem with mine. Make it make sense please.

 

[BassPlaya]

Guess they are allowed to complain 24/7 but when you say something to them about it, you’re now the problem lol.

Yes. I see a lot of that. The other thing I witness is some folks just have to raise the bar in any discussion. Lot's of times, they just have to have the last word. In the end, I really try to be objective. It's hard and sometimes I act the idiot, but I always reflect and reset when I do.

 

[sheed30]

I don't think you understood my post at all. I was saying, that they're EXACTLY THE SAME THING. Some people come on here, and they have what some people consider to be an inherently negative outlook on the team. They would probably counter and say that they're more logical or more realistic, but that's about perspective. Those people are constantly attacked for having opinions or an outlook that some people find tedious. My point was that there are people who have an inherently positive outlook, and those people can also be tedious, but those people are not constantly attacked for their opinion. So for you to say that some people have thin skin because they don't appreciate being attacked for having an opinion, and not the opinion itself, is unfair because the flip side of the coin is not usually attacked for being annoyingly positive all the time.

And yes, it's against the rules. This site doesn't have many rules, but attacking the poster and not the post IS AGAINST THE RULES.

http://www.sportstwo.com/threads/sports-two-rules-and-staff.192567/

2. This is a big site with a lot of members. You may not like every one of them. However, we expect everyone to at least respect each other.

4. Flame wars are not allowed. We do tolerate poking fun of one another in good fun, but hateful posts towards another poster are not allowed.

7. Everyone is here to offer their opinions, so be prepared to have people disagree with your opinions. There is a difference between attacking someone's post (their opinion) and attacking the poster with the latter not allowed. The staff is here to monitor for such occurrences.



It's not just my opinion. People who repeatedly respond to an opinion about the Portland Trail Blazers with an insult or an attack on the person posting that opinion, are breaking the rules of the forum.

Actually I never attacked you lol. I said go cry yourself a river, which last I remember is a common term and not offensive. I said we have to hear your complaints every week now about him, did I lie or say anything offensive?

Then I followed up with people complaining about Simons in the past and him now being #1 scapegoat is two different things. That was just a comment for all those complaining about Simons in general.

yet you get riled up so easily for someone that pushes his views on people 24/7.

You posted that I post “toxic bullshit” is actually more of an attack lol. But I don’t care, it’s forum where views will get thrown around.

If you can throw your views around every day like your opinion is above others, then you should be able to handle when someone makes a comment from time to time about your views.

but you can’t, and that’s the main reason for all of this now lol.

 

[Natebishop3]

yet you get riled up so easily for someone that pushes his views on people 24/7.

Pushes my views

I didn't realize I was going door to door. Do you want to subscribe to my news letter? Have you accepted Nathan Bishop as your lord and savior?

 

[sheed30]

Pushes my views

I didn't realize I was going door to door. Do you want to subscribe to my news letter? Have you accepted Nathan Bishop as your lord and savior?

Lol, it’s good to see that you’re laughing, as I am. I don’t take this serious on here man, nor should anyone else.

Would I like to see less complaining posted here?yea, but each their own.

but out of all the social media Blazer outlets, this one is by far the most complaining and negative views out of all of them.

for me, I think discussions are more enjoyable when someone can see things from all angles and not just a negative views. But each their own.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I will tell you where they're headed…. Young people don’t post on forums lol.

We are a dying breed. All of us. Young people like TikTok and YouTube and Reddit. They don’t come on here. I would bet that the youngest people on here are maybe late 20s or early 30s by this point.

Can anyone who is under 25 post and let me know if I’m wrong?

So what you're saying is that negativity on sports boards has increased because to greater and greater degree they're populated by grumpy old men?

 

[Natebishop3]

So what you're saying is that negativity on sports boards has increased because to greater and greater degree they're populated by grumpy old men?

 

[Natebishop3]

Lol, it’s good to see that you’re laughing, as I am. I don’t take this serious on here man, nor should anyone else.

Would I like to see less complaining posted here?yea, but each their own.

but out of all the social media Blazer outlets, this one is by far the most complaining and negative views out of all of them.

for me, I think discussions are more enjoyable when someone can see things from all angles and not just a negative views. But each their own.

None of the other social media outlets get into the analytics that this place does. People really debate topics.

Reddit is all memes/video clips.

I don't go on facebook.

Youtube is one-sided because you're watching a stream or a video.

This is the ONLY place where you're going to have an actual conversation about the team. And it's slowly dying.

 

[Idog1976]

Um, complaining 24/7 every week is different from someone complaining about their negative takes from time to time.

How can some of you get so riled up when someone calls out their constant complaints from time to time, but stay quiet when they complain on this forum all day lol.

If you don’t have a problem with someones negative take 24/7 then you shouldn’t have a problem with mine. Make it make sense please.

NateBishop gives excellent commentary in my opinion and is on my short list of best posters in the forum actually. He's in that 2nd tier right behind tier 1 posters like Andalusian and Weisenheimer. I find the people complaining about him to give comparatively little to the forum. All the people "rah rahing" about their right to go after posters for "being negative" are among those who often seem to just gum up the forum with drama. Just my opinion.

 

[Idog1976]

So what you're saying is that negativity on sports boards has increased because to greater and greater degree they're populated by grumpy old men?

Well, I wonder if it's better on say the Nuggets forum due to recent success, and that being stuck in Olshey's Purgatory for 11 years or whatever might have something to do with the relative amount of bitterness. Sad to think Forums are dying out, but then thanks to the Social Engineers, most of our three line posts would get "TLDR!" from the younger folks. Awful what the Social Engineers have done to education and culture. Le sigh.

 

[andalusian]

behind tier 1 posters like Andalusian and Weisenheimer.

Sir, you lost all credibility because of the bolded part. But I am humbled that you think so highly of me, likely undeservedly.

 

[blazerkor]

This thread has become some sort of nightmare. Fuck! It was a good thread about if Ant is good or bad for this rebuild and now it's a thread about posting and what should be posted in threads and what shouldn't be posted in threads and post thread distress and...

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

Id just like to say, for all the shit @Natebishop3 is taking, he is not the person who created this thread….

He seems simply to be participating in a negative thread, as members do.

Before people bash nate ( and ive laid into him at times for being overwhelming here)for posting in this thread, try reading the thread title????

 

[blazerfan11]

This thread has become some sort of nightmare. Fuck! It was a good thread about if Ant is good or bad for this rebuild and now it's a thread about posting and what should be posted in threads and what shouldn't be posted in threads and post thread distress and...

Ant is fine for the rebuild if he's not the primary ball handler when Scoot is in the game.

I think the Blazer offense should be one that creates lanes for Scoot and Sharpe to attack the hoop, not for Simons and Grant to get the ball first.

Both Simons and Grant are good outside shooters, so they do fit. Just don't design the offense for them or around them.

Ayton needs to be moving aound. Both to keep the lane clear for Sharpe and Simons, and to create better scoring opportunities for himself as a cutter/lob threat on the weak side when the defense collapses on Scoot and Sharpe.

 

[sheed30]

Id just like to say, for all the shit @Natebishop3 is taking, he is not the person who created this thread….

He seems simply to be participating in a negative thread, as members do.

Before people bash nate ( and ive laid into him at times for being overwhelming here)for posting in this thread, try reading the thread title????

My god, whose is bashing him? Go cry a river comment is bashing him?

Or that he is will post negativity about Simons every week?

“toxic bullshit” was his comment, I just replied back the same thing.

If you and others hasn’t seen, Nate has gotten into the same thing with many other people on, MANY!!

so before you think people are attacking someone, why don’t you look at the person that is always in the middle of this kinda stuff, which would be Nate.

My thoughts are some of you guys a super sensitive bunch man lol

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

My god, whose is bashing him? Go cry a river comment is bashing him?

Or that he is will post negativity about Simons every week?

If you and others hasn’t seen, Nate has gotten into the same thing with many other people on, MANY!!

so before you think people are attacking someone, why don’t you look at the person that is always in the middle of this kinda stuff, which would be Nate.

My thoughts are some of you guys a super sensitive bunch man lol

Sir, I'm one of those who has gotten into it with him to the point he was cussing at me. It ain't no big thing. Its a forum. It can get nasty but what happens in the forum stays… SHOULD stay in the forum.
With that said, i didn't say you attacked him. I didn't even refer to you, but this post seems to indicate you may also be sensitive to my pointing out the purpose of the thread is a negative tilt to Ant.

Anyone entering this thread expecting anything other than negativity is just setting themselves up for disappointment. To single out Nate and not the thread creator is a fairly obvious sign of bias opinion.

So then nate posts his opinions on the thread topic and you call him out for being constantly negative, but nothing about the negative OP?

And you wonder why he thinks you have it out foe him?

There is a flip side to his point of view. There is also a flip side to your point of view.
The optimal outcome is a compromise.
Im not calling you out anymore than you claim you are not attacking Nate.
I simply made some observations about this thread topic and the resulting content within.