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Hate to be that guy, but I wanna say it before we play our first competitive game: Simons is the black sheep of this team

He's gonna get his stats, he will average the same points on good % of players who's gonna make the ASG, but those stats won't mean anything to us

He's the Monta Ellis/CJ McCollum of the situation, the sooner we get rid of him, the better

We're fortunate to have a guy like Scoot who's a team first guy, but Simons is the opposite

He will dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble and then again dribble dribble dribble and then Jack up shots like there's no tomorrow

He can't defend even against Steve Blake at 50

He's gonna steal minutes from Sharpe, possessions from Scoot

Honestly I was so hyped for this season but Anfernee is at risk of ruin everything
 
It just depends on how you use him. As a catch and shoot player, late shot clock or last shot of the quarter guy, he's the best we have and it's not close. He's playing the position of Shooting Guard, which is where he belongs.

He's also fine as our backup PG.

What he isn't is Dame 2.0. Scoot is our point guard.
 
I prefer giving the last shot to Scoot or Sharpe even if they fail, it's for a better purpose than giving it to Simons

He's a nice guy so it won't be as evident as it should be but as far as real utility in a winning basketball team he's in the same conversation as Monta Ellis, CJ McCollum, JR Smith, OJ Mayo and so on

Cronin has done so many good things, but this is the last one to complete the puzzle and eliminate forever the ghost of Olshey: trade Simons

If the management will try to sell him as THE GUY we're gonna ruin Scoot, Sharpe and even Ayton
 
Portland2014 said:
I prefer giving the last shot to Scoot or Sharpe even if they fail, it's for a better purpose than giving it to Simons

He's a nice guy so it won't be as evident as it should be but as far as real utility in a winning basketball team he's in the same conversation as Monta Ellis, CJ McCollum, JR Smith, OJ Mayo and so on

Cronin has done so many good things, but this is the last one to complete the puzzle and eliminate forever the ghost of Olshey: trade Simons

If the management will try to sell him as THE GUY we're gonna ruin Scoot, Sharpe and even Ayton
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If the management will try to sell him as THE GUY we're gonna ruin Scoot, Sharpe and even Ayton

I'm very worried about that.
 
He's a good stats, bad team guy. That's always been his destiny until he figures it out. You can call him a "shooting guard" but I don't think that's how he sees himself and I fear he'll be the ball stopper on offense, always looking for his own. I agree he's the one that kind of stands out on this team as not being a piece that fits moving forward but I'm not sure what the market is for him. Would you take a lottery protected 1st years down the road for him?
 
And yet there will be people mid-season who's gonna yell: "Anfernee is underrated!" "he's got All star numbers!" "He's still only 24!" "Dame loved him!"

Such a shame...

My hope is that somehow someway Orlando who is his hometown wants him...

I would trade him even for Isaac
 
To unload him you will have to sweeten the deal with Shaedon or a pick etc. I am not ready to give up on him just yet. Who else on the roster can get hot from deep? Shaedon does not want to be here anyways. I am convinced of this. Send him to TOR where he wants to be and include Ant perhaps a 3rd team etc.
 
Cugel said:
To unload him you will have to sweeten the deal with Shaedon or a pick etc. I am not ready to give up on him just yet. Who else on the roster can get hot from deep? Shaedon does not want to be here anyways. I am convinced of this. Send him to TOR where he wants to be and include Ant perhaps a 3rd team etc.
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As much as I don't like him there's no way you have to include picks or Shaedon to unload him

Given the new cap numbers he doesn't have a bad contract...
 
Natebishop3 said:
The problem is that there isn’t a clear pecking order right now. We saw Grant kinda just flail and try to do too much at the start. We saw Ant and Scoot actively working on who is running the team. This needs to be Scoots team. He is the engine.
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Are you telling me roles aren’t completely ironed out after a three day camp and one preseason game?! Holy shit what news this is.

Scoot got 6 assists in 19 minutes. He is the point guard. Simons got hot and ended up with 14, but didn’t get an assist. He’s the shooting guard. Scoot is already running the team, and Simons is our leading scorer. We won the game which doesn’t count. Sounds like folks are worrying just to worry.
 
I know why some of you dislike Ant --- Dame basically handed the mantle off to him as he left town and we all know some of you anything Dame likes your like "F" that. Now do not get me wrong I am not saying Ant is a great player but some of you act like he is a damn scrub and that is not the case either. As always the truth is somewhere in between cause he has shown signs of being a Top 50 player and then there are times where he kind of fades in the back round and is forgettable. I like Ant but until he gets a little killer instinct he will always just be a solid player who could be more. This is why Dame leaving could be a good thing for him cause I think and for good reason sometimes always just stayed in Dame's shadow and seemed happy to be there except for maybe 5 to 10 games a year where she showed MAYBE he had that IT factor. This year is a do or die for Ant when it comes to being a true star player cause nothing is in his way so he either takes that next step or he will always just be a slightly above average piece on a team and will always be known as a shadow of what he COULD have been in the league.
 
Portland2014 said:
Hate to be that guy, but I wanna say it before we play our first competitive game: Simons is the black sheep of this team

He's gonna get his stats, he will average the same points on good % of players who's gonna make the ASG, but those stats won't mean anything to us

He's the Monta Ellis/CJ McCollum of the situation, the sooner we get rid of him, the better

We're fortunate to have a guy like Scoot who's a team first guy, but Simons is the opposite

He will dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble and then again dribble dribble dribble and then Jack up shots like there's no tomorrow

He can't defend even against Steve Blake at 50

He's gonna steal minutes from Sharpe, possessions from Scoot

Honestly I was so hyped for this season but Anfernee is at risk of ruin everything
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This thread is a nightmare.
 
I knew he wasn’t the one when he couldn’t help Damian Lillard whatsover. Even Cj McCollum was technically having winning seasons with Dame.
 
Fucking A. I've seen so many all-stars with crappy shooting percentages, but Ant scores a lot, and is efficient. I'm open to the idea that his overdribbling hurts the team, but I need to see stats (such as Ant +/- vs. Team +/-) to back up that claim, instead just typing in the word "dribble" over and over again, and using inflammatory thread titles.

Until proven otherwise, he has no net problems on the offensive side of the ball. The question is defense. Is his defense so bad that he is a net negative? It's a compelling question, that again I'd like to see argued with actual stats.

Without delving deeply into that question, the simplest solution to the Ant conundrum is to bring him off the bench. Trading him seems dubious since it appears that his value to the team is higher than his value around the league. If I'm wrong and he does have value, then I'd be happy to trade him when we have superstar potential currently coming off the bench at Ant's position.
 
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Give him a year. This is his first year without a monster usage guy in Dame next to him. There's no urgency here, he's on an okay contract and Scoot/Sharpe will get plenty of minutes this season regardless.

If Cronin races to make moves the marketplace will sniff it out pretty clearly and he'll end up getting less.

I know the last few weeks were fun with lots of moves, and I know folks want the next era to start as soon as possible. The reality is that there will be an interim period, always. That might mean Grant, RW3, Brogdon, Ant, move along.

Or don't. This year is going to be about evaluating what the next core is. That doesn't mean everyone needs 15 shots a night and 34mpg 'immediately.'

The west is so good this year that the Blazers will probably be a lottery team at around the deadline anyway.
 
BigGameDamian said:
I just don’t think he will want that Jamal Crawford type role though.
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What do you base that on? I mean has he ever alluded to that in any way? Usually, the players who don't want to come off the bench are those who want a big payday (he already got his) and those who think they are better than the person starting ahead of them. Right now Ant probably needs to start, but once it becomes obvious that the team is better off with him coming off the bench then I don't think he is the type of player who would pout.

To be clear just because he comes off the bench doesn't mean he would not play in crunch time. That should be determined on a game-by-game basis.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Every team needs a couple of outside shooters. Who is better than Ant on this team at that?
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well, last year, Grant and Brogdon. And at least they aren't giant sieves on defense

teams do need shooters, that's true. But it isn't the case that those shooters have to lead the team in minutes, usage, and FGA. If Portland, without Ant, struggles from a lack of perimeter shooting...well shit, it's a rebuild anyway and it gives the Blazers a better template for what they need going forward. The notion that Portland has to accept all of the flaws Ant has as a starter, while also making him the #1 option no less, just because he hits three's at an above average rate is bogus

IIRC, you have called me an Ant-hater...or maybe it was somebody else, no biggie. I'm not an Ant hater. What I hate is that for the 9th straight fucking year the Blazers are going to try to jamb a short square peg into the round hole at SG. It has failed for 8 years in a row. It won't succeed on the 9th try, IMO. But I guess losses are as good, or better, than wins for Portland this season
 
Everything Beagle said:
Are you telling me roles aren’t completely ironed out after a three day camp and one preseason game?! Holy shit what news this is.

Scoot got 6 assists in 19 minutes. He is the point guard. Simons got hot and ended up with 14, but didn’t get an assist. He’s the shooting guard. Scoot is already running the team, and Simons is our leading scorer. We won the game which doesn’t count. Sounds like folks are worrying just to worry.
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It’s not a worry. It’s a problem that they need to work through. Billups has basically said that he’s just gonna let them figure it out. That’s gonna take some time.
 
wizenheimer said:
well, last year, Grant and Brogdon. And at least they aren't giant sieves on defense

teams do need shooters, that's true. But it isn't the case that those shooters have to lead the team in minutes, usage, and FGA. If Portland, without Ant, struggles from a lack of perimeter shooting...well shit, it's a rebuild anyway and it gives the Blazers a better template for what they need going forward. The notion that Portland has to accept all of the flaws Ant has as a starter, while also making him the #1 option no less, just because he hits three's at an above average rate is bogus

IIRC, you have called me an Ant-hater...or maybe it was somebody else, no biggie. I'm not an Ant hater. What I hate is that for the 9th straight fucking year the Blazers are going to try to jamb a short square peg into the round hole at SG. It has failed for 8 years in a row. It won't succeed on the 9th try, IMO. But I guess losses are as good, or better, than wins for Portland this season
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Maybe the square peg will score enough to convince a team to give us something of value.
 
wizenheimer said:
well, last year, Grant and Brogdon. And at least they aren't giant sieves on defense
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My eyes tell me a different story. There is no way you can convince me that these two are better outside shooters than Ant.....despite what their stats are.
Other factors play into it. Maybe Ant should just catch and shoot like them, but sometimes there is a need to create their own shot. Neither Grant nor Brogodon can do that from beyond the arc as well as Ant.

For the record, I think he should eventually come off the bench once Sharpe is ready.
 
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