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At 2:30 his elbows out a little, what I noticed though is his release is FAST, im on my phone hitting pause / play over and over to get frames. I think his shot looks weird but its smooth and goes in and thats the important part.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
At 2:30 his elbows out a little, what I noticed though is his release is FAST, im on my phone hitting pause / play over and over to get frames. I think his shot looks weird but its smooth and goes in and thats the important part.
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Everyone sees it. Bones probably sees it. But Bones is in one of his moods tonight because the Blazers didn't get AD, so he's taking it out on everyone. He's just trying to pick arguments.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
At 2:30 his elbows out a little, what I noticed though is his release is FAST, im on my phone hitting pause / play over and over to get frames. I think his shot looks weird but its smooth and goes in and thats the important part.
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Check the screenshots. His elbow is more inside of his shooting shoulder than outside. His elbow is more in than anyone else on the entire team... Haha.
 
So been watching his shot over and over, I think whats strange about it, is his shoulders dont really square up to the basket, the ball is basically right in front of his face. I mean I dunno, like I said it goes in so at the end of the day who cares lol.
 
PCmor7 said:
Everyone sees it. Bones probably sees it. But Bones is in one of his moods tonight because the Blazers didn't get AD, so he's taking it out on everyone. He's just trying to pick arguments.
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I posted screenshots as proof. Either you're eyesight needs to be checked or you refuse to admit your wrong. I hate when people say obviously false BS and then when you provide photographic proof, they just want to deflect or ignore it and say blanket bullshit like "Everyone sees (its out)". And yeah, I'm not in a good mood. AD got traded to the Lakers.
 
BonesJones said:
Check the screenshots. His elbow is more inside of his shooting shoulder than outside. His elbow is more in than anyone else on the entire team... Haha.
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Yeah the more I watch whats interesting about his motion is more his shoulders than his elbows, he ends up kind of shooting the ball like a sniper, right down the sights. I still think it looks a bit strange compared to watching other guys mechanics, but he’s a good shooter snd everyone’s mechanics are different. to some degree.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
So been watching his shot over and over, I think whats strange about it, is his shoulders dont really square up to the basket, the ball is basically right in front of his face. I mean I dunno, like I said it goes in so at the end of the day who cares lol.
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His shoulders don't square? He has a slight tilt with his right shoulder forward slightly. Most great shooters have a tilt. Dame, Curry, KD, etc.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
So been watching his shot over and over, I think whats strange about it, is his shoulders dont really square up to the basket, the ball is basically right in front of his face. I mean I dunno, like I said it goes in so at the end of the day who cares lol.
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There are a few things. His elbow starts out. He pulls it in as he goes up, like he twists a bit. That's where the shoulders thing comes in that you see. He doesn't hold his follow-through like most fundamental shooters. It's hard to tell if he just snaps back fast or never fully extends.

It's not a textbook shot. But it goes in, so it works for him.

Eat a Snickers, Bones.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
Yeah the more I watch whats interesting about his motion is more his shoulders than his elbows, he ends up kind of shooting the ball like a sniper, right down the sights. I still think it looks a bit strange compared to watching other guys mechanics, but he’s a good shooter snd everyone’s mechanics are different. to some degree.
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Yeah it's just funny because the one thing that's for certain is that his elbow is in.
 
BonesJones said:
Check the screenshots. His elbow is more inside of his shooting shoulder than outside. His elbow is more in than anyone else on the entire team... Haha.
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It's not something you can see in screenshots. That's all about angles and split seconds. It's watching the entire form from start to finish.
 
PCmor7 said:
There are a few things. His elbow starts out. He pulls it in as he goes up, like he twists a bit. That's where the shoulders thing comes in that you see. He doesn't hold his follow-through like most fundamental shooters. It's hard to tell if he just snaps back fast or never fully extends.

It's not a textbook shot. But it goes in, so it works for him.

Eat a Snickers, Bones.
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No it doesn't. I think you're confusing his shot line for his elbow being out. He has a shot line that starts up the left side of his body and comes across. It's not his elbow being out. His elbow is never outside of his shooting shoulder at any point during his shot.
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The ball however, does move across his body. You'll see this with most good shooters though, the shooting arm is rarely near-vertical throughout the entire motion and if it is, then there's too much looping motion away from the body then back towards it during the motion. Anfernee's is a bit overexaggerated but it helps his shot be quick and fluid.
 

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PCmor7 said:
It's not something you can see in screenshots. That's all about angles and split seconds. It's watching the entire form from start to finish.
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I've been watching it in 0.25 speed in 60fps from directly behind him. You're confusing his elbow being out for his shot line being across his body.
 
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GhostOfPGA said:
I hate the idea of reconstructing jumpshots... just do what is comfortable/goes in. Unless it’s so janky/broken that it gets blocked everytime.
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Or if it takes half an hour to release the shot, like Meyers.....

EDIT: DANG! I was doing so good on not bashing Mr. Lenoard. I really hope for good things to come from him in the future. COME ON Meyers, YOU. CAN. DO. IT!!!!
 
He's starting his shot. Look at the shooting hand placement on the ball. His elbow is clearly out because his hand is on the side of the ball. He'll corkscrew it in while in motion. If he didn't, he'd be shooting a two-hand chest pass or a one-hander toward the front row.

He releases his guide hand earlier in his motion than most good shooters because he shoots forward, not up. His hand never really dips in the cookie jar because he is going toward the basket, not straight up.
 
Again, look at the hand placement here. It's on the side of the ball. So the elbow is out, whether you think it looks it or not in the still image. Because if his elbow is in, his hand isn't under the ball, and he's shooting his one-hander off to his left.

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Man, just watching that little clip- Simons is going to be great! COME ON Terry, PUT. HIM. IN. AND.PLAY HIM!!!
 
PCmor7 said:
Again, look at the hand placement here. It's on the side of the ball. So the elbow is out, whether you think it looks it or not in the still image. Because if his elbow is in, his hand isn't under the ball, and he's shooting his one-hander off to his left.

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He's shooting a floater and his should, elbow, and shooting hand are all in a straight line. The hand on the ball is due to fore-arm rotation.
 
PCmor7 said:
I can't believe I am wasting my evening debating details with a guy who is so miserable about the Lakers trading for Anthony Davis that he's trying to pick fights with everyone over literally any little thing.
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It's not my fault you don't know your terminology. If I said some dumb, obviously false stuff like "C.J. shoots like Marcus Camby" then I'd EXPECT people to point out I was wrong.
 
PCmor7 said:
He's starting his shot. Look at the shooting hand placement on the ball. His elbow is clearly out because his hand is on the side of the ball. He'll corkscrew it in while in motion. If he didn't, he'd be shooting a two-hand chest pass or a one-hander toward the front row.

He releases his guide hand earlier in his motion than most good shooters because he shoots forward, not up. His hand never really dips in the cookie jar because he is going toward the basket, not straight up.
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Do you realize what "Elbow out / elbow in" really means? If his "elbow is out" that means his elbow is "outside of his shoulder". That's it. You can have your hand on the side of the ball and have your elbow in, because the forearm can rotate with the elbow in place. Curry has his hand on the side of the ball and his elbow definitely isn't out. You can bring up the ball with your forearm completely horizontal and if your elbow isn't outside of the line between the shooting shoulder and hoop, then your elbow still isn't out (you'd just have a messed up shot-line).

Almost every good shooter lands in front of where they shot too.
 
BonesJones said:
Simons has great mechanics. No interference from his left hand. Shooting elbow tucked in. Smooth one-motion shot. Quick release. Good, consistent extension on his follow through. No shotting-shoulder rotation. Almost always on-balance.

People see his low set point (which he doesn't even really have since he has a one-motion shot) and they see his off-hand raising above the release point and they think it's weird. Thing is, his off-hand is lifting up off of the ball and therefore, has 0 interference with the ball.
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I think the thing that is weird is his arm goes out on his follow through instead of up "into the cookie jar". I don't think that's a bad thing necessarily. Dame's was like that too early in his career, just not as bad. Darius Garland's shot has it too.
 
hoopsjock said:
I think the thing that is weird is his arm goes out on his follow through instead of up "into the cookie jar". I don't think that's a bad thing necessarily. Dame's was like that too early in his career, just not as bad. Darius Garland's shot has it too.
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It still has a good release angle on his arm and I dont think his arc is all that bad. Low set points and releases are becoming more common. If its quick it works
 
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