Skal Should Get More Playing Time

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AmirIcon said:
I don't see the versatility you speak of. Skal is a better rebounder and rim protector. And who knows, maybe he has a better three point shot as well? He should be putting those up instead of deferring but I think the coach has put it in his head to strictly be a "garbage man." I didn't like what Skal said in training camp about what the coaches were telling him to focus on. I think they are selling him short if they just want to him rebound and run.
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Sorry you don't see it but Tolliver can guard the perimeter and defend in the open court in addition to the post. Right now Skal is mostly an interior defender only.
 
BonesJones said:
Playing him more now could be a hurdle to their success? How?
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He doesnt really fit Stotts’ defensive scheme, for what a big needs to be able to do. Playing him right now is more about development then trying to get wins now.
 
AmirIcon said:
You asked...

I have no idea what you're talking about.
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Interesting that's the only part you quoted from my post. You made a statement as if it was fact and I asked for you to support that statement. It's right there in each of our posts. Go back and reread them.
 
BonesJones said:


What do y'all think?
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I'd love to see him get more opportunities and earn more playing time as the season progresses while slowly decreasing Tolliver's minutes. Of course, this is all dependent upon Skal's readiness on both sides of the court.

With that said, I love this season's team and still have high hopes for them as they further acclimate as a team.

Rip City, baby!
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
Playing him right now is more about development then trying to get wins now.
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He puts us in a better position to win now because he's not a complete liability and is productive on both sides of the floor. I don't see how that can be argued. I can understand Stotts wanting to go with Tolliver (I predicted it) but the argument that playing Skal doesn't help us win now doesn't hold up. The video in this post does a decent job of explaining why.
 
CupWizier said:
Interesting that's the only part you quoted from my post. You made a statement as if it was fact and I asked for you to support that statement. It's right there in each of our posts. Go back and reread them.
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You're going to need to be more specific if you want me to respond. I still have no idea what you're referring to. You said I didn't answer your question. I quoted your question. If there are other questions you want answered than you should be more specific.
 
AmirIcon said:
He puts us in a better position to win now because he's not a complete liability and is productive on both sides of the floor. I don't see how that can be argued. I can understand Stotts wanting to go with Tolliver (I predicted it) but the argument that playing Skal doesn't help us win now doesn't hold up. The video in this post does a decent job of explaining why.
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Well, no offense to bones he does a great job, but putting a video together to make an argument doesn't mean that, that argument is right. It's just my opinion, I don't think he does help us win now. He's been good offensively, but he's just not there defensively, and even offensively the PNR's they try to run with him almost always end up not going well. He's great at following Dame / CJ or a driver to the basket and scoring. He may already be better than Tolliver. The real issue is that to me neither of them is the option you want to have to start at PF, and Skal, while he does have potential and needs time to develop, will put them in negative plays pretty frequently because he's still clearly still learning how to play and on the defensive end just not in the right place fairly frequently. I've already stated I'd rather they play him over Tolliver (if it was me as the coach I would). I don't believe either are starting quality PF's right now though.
 
AmirIcon said:
You're going to need to be more specific if you want me to respond. I still have no idea what you're referring to. You said I didn't answer your question. I quoted your question. If there are other questions you want answered than you should be more specific.
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no longer interested, but it's there in black and white.
 
Wizard Mentor said:
lol.
The most noncontroversial assertion ever (that skal-should-get-more-playing-time) still generates controversy.
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If you actually look at his PIPMWAR it’ll clearly tell you he fucking sucks and has no room for improvement. I agree with playing the 34 year old journeyman (that definitely won’t be here next year and everyone will have forgotten talking about him) 30 minutes a night.
 
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No way. What's his plus-minus? I'll bet it's terrible.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
I don't believe either are starting quality PF's right now though.
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That's not the question or argument right now. I think everyone would concur with that assessment.

The real question is which option sucks less...
Option A - Tolliver
Option B - Skal

I can't believe this is still even a discussion. I would think it is obvious to almost everyone.
 
tester551 said:
That's not the question or argument right now. I think everyone would concur with that assessment.

The real question is which option sucks less...
Option A - Tolliver
Option B - Skal

I can't believe this is still even a discussion. I would think it is obvious to almost everyone.
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Well, the answer is neither. But if I had to choose, I guess I'd go with Labissiere.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
He doesnt really fit Stotts’ defensive scheme, for what a big needs to be able to do. Playing him right now is more about development then trying to get wins now.
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Have you seen hjs production compared to Tollivers so far? Skal is better. We'll win more with Skal.
 
BonesJones said:
Have you seen hjs production compared to Tollivers so far? Skal is better. We'll win more with Skal.
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Bench needs his offensive game more than the starters need his defensive game....Tolliver is happy to be a 5th option with the starters....he's not getting shots starting much....Skal is the 2nd or 3rd option off the bench where he can dominate against bench competition...….this and Skal works with the bench mob in practice more than with the starters....Stotts addressed this in an interview...Tolliver is also more vocal on defense than Skal is because he knows where guys are supposed to be....Skal doesn't have that confidence yet...hope he will in the future but Skal is our version of Ed Davis for now. Our bench needs scoring...
 
riverman said:
Bench needs his offensive game more than the starters need his defensive game....Tolliver is happy to be a 5th option with the starters....he's not getting shots starting much....Skal is the 2nd or 3rd option off the bench where he can dominate against bench competition...….this and Skal works with the bench mob in practice more than with the starters....Stotts addressed this in an interview...Tolliver is also more vocal on defense than Skal is because he knows where guys are supposed to be....Skal doesn't have that confidence yet...hope he will in the future but Skal is our version of Ed Davis for now. Our bench needs scoring...
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You can start Tolliver. But dont play Tolliver 29 minutes and Skal 13. Play Skal with the bench as the C, rest him a couple minutes, then bring him back in at the end of each half as the PF.

Last game, Hurd and Calabro both noted how vocal Skal is defensively.
 
BonesJones said:
Have you seen hjs production compared to Tollivers so far? Skal is better. We'll win more with Skal.
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No, I've never watched a game or seen basketball reference, or the internet...
I don't know what to tell you, it's just my opinion. I don't think Skal "right now" is that much of an improvement from Tolliver. It's nothing against Skal I like him! To me, if you're playing him it's in the hopes that with enough real court time and minutes he'll quickly shape into form because he's definitely got more potential then Tolliver. Personally I'd rather Mario got those minutes or they just embraced small ball and ran a lot, with Baze / Hood as the forwards.
 
BonesJones said:
Last game, Hurd and Calabro both noted how vocal Skal is defensively.
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He should be vocal with the bench mob...he's been here longer than the new guys and is more of a vet with the bench...he's not telling the starters where to be, that's for sure. Dame said today that Anthony fits with the starting unit because he knows where to be and has more knowledge of the players in the NBA than many of the younger guys..BBIQ.. ..makes total sense until we get Pau or Zach into the rotation again
 
riverman said:
He should be vocal with the bench mob...he's been here longer than the new guys and is more of a vet with the bench...he's not telling the starters where to be, that's for sure. Dame said today that Anthony fits with the starting unit because he knows where to be and has more knowledge of the players in the NBA than many of the younger guys..BBIQ.. ..makes total sense until we get Pau or Zach into the rotation again
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How long is Collins predicted to be out?
 
Lanny said:
How long is Collins predicted to be out?
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I don't think he'll be back very soon...haven't heard about the MRI...if it's just dislocated and popped back in it's easier but if anything is torn...could be a long rehab.
 
riverman said:
He should be vocal with the bench mob...he's been here longer than the new guys and is more of a vet with the bench...he's not telling the starters where to be, that's for sure. Dame said today that Anthony fits with the starting unit because he knows where to be and has more knowledge of the players in the NBA than many of the younger guys..BBIQ.. ..makes total sense until we get Pau or Zach into the rotation again
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I understand the logic behind Tolliver starting, even if I don't agree with it. But that minute differential is ridiculous, and there's no reason Tolliver should be getting minutes at Center over Labissiere, especially matching up against a guy like Aldridge (which happened last game).
 
CupWizier said:
so then it's strictly a judgement or an opinion on your part. What if someone has a different opinion? Who is right?
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It's subjective. Not everything is about who's right or wrong. People can disagree, which is great, because it can lead to a good basketball discussion where both parties talk about what they see differently and it can potentially help each party notice something they didn't before, and can add additional perspective for each. Or they don't see what the other ones seeing and they agree to disagree.

Disagreements are never an issue, only how they're handled. Some people make them into something else all because of a personal vendetta or they don't like the other person's opinion. Maybe they don't like how much the other person is posting that opinion (which is understandable). Either way, it doesn't need to be about who's "right or wrong" and doesn't need to be made into some personal bullshit.
 
BonesJones said:
It's subjective. Not everything is about who's right or wrong. People can disagree, which is great, because it can lead to a good basketball discussion where both parties talk about what they see differently and it can potentially help each party notice something they didn't before, and can add additional perspective for each. Or they don't see what the other ones seeing and they agree to disagree.

The issue is when one party makes the discussion personal or extra, all because of a personal vendetta or they don't like the other person's opinion.
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So you are making this personal? Cause I certainly didn't. Otherwise that comment had no purpose other than to try and instigate something.
 
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