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LayneStaley said:
The only thing I like about this trade is that Skal is a UK guy. Upgrading the end of the bench is actually bad imo since it’s gonna take min from guys like Jake and Zach who we desperately need to develop if we ever plan on being more than first round fodder.
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He's a project. It's good to have a few projects waiting in the wings. Now we have three.

:cheers:
 
wizenheimer said:
I don't know if it has been mentioned but the Swanigan/Skal trade saved over 200K in salary so it essentially wiped out the extra salary and tax Portland took on in the Hood trade. Basically, a neutral salary/tax deadline for Portland. I imagine that was a factor in this trade
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You could also make the case it might be a good sign that he didn't have to cut salary either. Or maybe he was told to do so and failed at that too.
 
Wizard Mentor said:
I've been defending Neil, but I don't like it.
Hood trade, fine.
Skal trade, good.

Together? Don't like it. We traded 3 players who don't play for 2 players who should. It's the opposite of the consolidation trade I was hoping for :)
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Look at how deep the Blazers were in the late 90's early 2000. Depth is a great problem to have as competition separates the worthy of playing time from those not.
 
CupWizier said:
Look at how deep the Blazers were in the late 90's early 2000. Depth is a great problem to have as competition separates the worthy of playing time from those not.
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"Depth is a great problem to have" only applies when your starters are of championship caliber. Put another way,
we have a 10, a 9, an 8 (CJ), 10 5s, and Simons, who has lots of potential. If two of those 5 were 8s, then I'd be totally with you. However, Harkless and Aminu are not good enough starters for a championship team, as they are currently playing.

As I said, I like the trades in a vacuum, but those trades were not what the team desperately needs.
 
Wizard Mentor said:
"Depth is a great problem to have" only applies when your starters are of championship caliber. Put another way,
we have a 10, a 9, an 8 (CJ), 10 5s, and Simons, who has lots of potential. If two of those 5 were 8s, then I'd be totally with you. However, Harkless and Aminu are not good enough starters for a championship team, as they are currently playing.

As I said, I like the trades in a vacuum, but those trades were not what the team desperately needs.
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10 5s is a little generous
 
Wizard Mentor said:
"Depth is a great problem to have" only applies when your starters are of championship caliber. Put another way,
we have a 10, a 9, an 8 (CJ), 10 5s, and Simons, who has lots of potential. If two of those 5 were 8s, then I'd be totally with you. However, Harkless and Aminu are not good enough starters for a championship team, as they are currently playing.

As I said, I like the trades in a vacuum, but those trades were not what the team desperately needs.
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What makes you think this is a finished product? We have 3 solid expiring contracts next year and our asset pool was improved other than 2 easily replaced 2nd round picks.
 
CupWizier said:
What makes you think this is a finished product? We have 3 solid expiring contracts next year and our asset pool was improved other than 2 easily replaced 2nd round picks.
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Totally agree, we're throwing this season away for hopes of expirings next season.

Damian Lillard is 28.5, and will turn 29 before the start of next season. Tick Tock.
 
Wizard Mentor said:
Totally agree, we're throwing this season away for hopes of expirings next season.
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when it comes to expiring contracts, next season won't be a sellers market like this season was:

Kyle Lowry $33,296,296
Al Horford $30,123,015
Hassan Whiteside $27,093,018
Marc Gasol $25,595,700
Chandler Parsons $25,102,511
Harrison Barnes $25,102,512
Serge Ibaka $23,271,604
Danilo Gallinari $22,615,559
Ryan Anderson $15,600,000
Tyler Johnson $19,245,370
George Hill $18,000,000
Jeff Teague $19,000,000
Allen Crabbe $18,500,000
Goran Dragic $19,217,900
Kent Bazemore $19,269,662
Evan Turner $18,606,557
Tristan Thompson $18,539,130
Reggie Jackson $18,086,956
Bismack Biyombo $17,000,000
Derrick Favors $16,900,000
Pau Gasol $16,000,000
Jonas Valanciunas $17,617,977
Andre Iguodala $17,185,185
Timofey Mozgov $16,720,000
Ian Mahinmi $15,450,051
J.R. Smith $15,680,000
James Johnson $15,349,400
Brandon Knight $15,643,750
Marvin Williams $15,006,250
Eric Gordon $14,057,730
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist $ 13,000,000
Mason Plumlee $14,041,096
Jordan Clarkson $13,437,500
Miles Plumlee $12,500,000
Courtney Lee $12,759,670
Solomon Hill $13,258,781
Avery Bradley $12,960,000
John Henson $9,732,396
Maurice Harkless $11,511,234
Meyers Leonard $11,286,515
Jon Leuer $9,508,043
Andre Roberson $10,740,741
Dwight Powell $10,259,375
Matthew Dellavedova $9,607,500
Bogdan Bogdanovic $8,529,386
E'Twaun Moore $8,664,928
Fred VanVleet $9,000,000
Joe Harris $7,670,000
C.J. Miles $8,730,158
Shaun Livingston $7,692,308
Kyle Korver $7,500,000
Jae Crowder $7,815,533
D.J. Augustin $7,250,000
Lance Thomas $7,583,975
Langston Galloway $7,333,333
Davis Bertans $7,000,000
Marco Belinelli $5,846,154
Jonathon Simmons $5,700,000
Patrick Patterson $5,711,200
Josh Smith $5,331,729
Aron Baynes $5,453,280
Alex Len $4,160,000

I think 20 teams will be shopping expiring contracts hard. And that list doesn't count 1 year deals that will be signed this summer
 
Wizard Mentor said:
I'm so tired of that - GS is irrelevant. We need to get more top-end players to get better, period. If you're going to make the GS argument, you're arguing that we should trade Lillard.
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Why would i want to trade Lillard? You act like we no longer have the ability to improve this team where as i see the opportunity now opening up. Olshey may or may not be here next year either. I would rather wait and do the right deal than a deal that only improves us slightly but locks us into something. Only player moved i would have been interested in was Tobias Harris. The rest? Meh.
 
CupWizier said:
Why would i want to trade Lillard? You act like we no longer have the ability to improve this team where as i see the opportunity now opening up. Olshey may or may not be here next year either. I would rather wait and do the right deal than a deal that only improves us slightly but locks us into something. Only player moved i would have been interested in was Tobias Harris. The rest? Meh.
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If you don't see it, I'm ok with that.
 
LayneStaley said:
Whoever picked Hood and Skal gets free beers from me, I’ll have to look and see if anyone nailed it.

That’s a joke, I don’t have to look.
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Hoods been mentioned before. He’s not a nobody. Shit even Skal has.
 
Scalma said:
Hoods been mentioned before. He’s not a nobody. Shit even Skal has.
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Yes but for the beers you had to name both and only both, think I’m safe.

I’m fine with both trades, Hood walks this summer and maybe we hit the lotto with Skal, if not oh well. This all comes down to those expirings next year, if we don’t flip them for a BIG TIME upgrade somewhere in the starting lineup(Forward) than I ask to leave if I’m Dame.
 
wizenheimer said:
when it comes to expiring contracts, next season won't be a sellers market like this season was:

Kyle Lowry $33,296,296
Al Horford $30,123,015
Hassan Whiteside $27,093,018
Marc Gasol $25,595,700
Chandler Parsons $25,102,511
Harrison Barnes $25,102,512
Serge Ibaka $23,271,604
Danilo Gallinari $22,615,559
Ryan Anderson $15,600,000
Tyler Johnson $19,245,370
George Hill $18,000,000
Jeff Teague $19,000,000
Allen Crabbe $18,500,000
Goran Dragic $19,217,900
Kent Bazemore $19,269,662
Evan Turner $18,606,557
Tristan Thompson $18,539,130
Reggie Jackson $18,086,956
Bismack Biyombo $17,000,000
Derrick Favors $16,900,000
Pau Gasol $16,000,000
Jonas Valanciunas $17,617,977
Andre Iguodala $17,185,185
Timofey Mozgov $16,720,000
Ian Mahinmi $15,450,051
J.R. Smith $15,680,000
James Johnson $15,349,400
Brandon Knight $15,643,750
Marvin Williams $15,006,250
Eric Gordon $14,057,730
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist $ 13,000,000
Mason Plumlee $14,041,096
Jordan Clarkson $13,437,500
Miles Plumlee $12,500,000
Courtney Lee $12,759,670
Solomon Hill $13,258,781
Avery Bradley $12,960,000
John Henson $9,732,396
Maurice Harkless $11,511,234
Meyers Leonard $11,286,515
Jon Leuer $9,508,043
Andre Roberson $10,740,741
Dwight Powell $10,259,375
Matthew Dellavedova $9,607,500
Bogdan Bogdanovic $8,529,386
E'Twaun Moore $8,664,928
Fred VanVleet $9,000,000
Joe Harris $7,670,000
C.J. Miles $8,730,158
Shaun Livingston $7,692,308
Kyle Korver $7,500,000
Jae Crowder $7,815,533
D.J. Augustin $7,250,000
Lance Thomas $7,583,975
Langston Galloway $7,333,333
Davis Bertans $7,000,000
Marco Belinelli $5,846,154
Jonathon Simmons $5,700,000
Patrick Patterson $5,711,200
Josh Smith $5,331,729
Aron Baynes $5,453,280
Alex Len $4,160,000

I think 20 teams will be shopping expiring contracts hard. And that list doesn't count 1 year deals that will be signed this summer
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The sad part - I bet Olshey has never seen this list!
 
Scalma said:
Hoods been mentioned before. He’s not a nobody. Shit even Skal has.
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Yeah I was in support of dumping Harkless for Skal. Turns out we only needed to trade Swanigan.

The Hood trade gets a B from me.
The Labissiere trade gets an A from me.
Neil's "performance" at the deadline gets a D from me.
 
BonesJones said:
Yeah I was in support of dumping Harkless for Skal. Turns out we only needed to trade Swanigan.

The Hood trade gets a B from me.
The Labissiere trade gets an A from me.
Neil's "performance" at the deadline gets a D from me.
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Why does the Skal deal get an "A"? Dumping Harkless for him was a good idea because of the lux tax implications. This was swapping a chamber pot for a spitoon.
 
oldmangrouch said:
Why does the Skal deal get an "A"? Dumping Harkless for him was a good idea because of the lux tax implications. This was swapping a chamber pot for a spitoon.
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Skal has considerable upside. Biggie has none. People would be more excited about this if it was done in the summer. Since it was done now, it’s kind of hard to separate from what Olshey should’ve been focused on.

I don’t know what Sacramento’s thought process was here. Maybe Biggie reminds Vlade of the old days idk
 
I do enjoy the irony of this deal. One of the arguments you get from Olshey apologists is the classic "don't make trades just to make trades" argument. Guess what folks - Swanigan for Skal is the epitome of just that! It neither addresses the financial mess nor improves the team's odds of winning a play-off series. Olshey made the deal just to give his syncophants amunition for the claim that he really isn't sitting on his hands.
 
Scalma said:
Skal has considerable upside. Biggie has none. People would be more excited about this if it was done in the summer. Since it was done now, it’s kind of hard to separate from what Olshey should’ve been focused on.

I don’t know what Sacramento’s thought process was here. Maybe Biggie reminds Vlade of the old days idk
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If they had any kind of track record developing big men this trade would be awesome. He'll definitely be in the league in 5 years unlike Swanigan so cross your fingers..
 
oldmangrouch said:
I do enjoy the irony of this deal. One of the arguments you get from Olshey apologists is the classic "don't make trades just to make trades" argument. Guess what folks - Swanigan for Skal is the epitome of just that! It neither addresses the financial mess nor improves the team's odds of winning a play-off series. Olshey made the deal just to give his syncophants amunition for the claim that he really isn't sitting on his hands.
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Irony!
 
Some reports out of high school


Eric Bossi, Rivals.com: "While I expect him to be really good in college, he's one of those prospects who we might not see what he's truly capable of on the college level. It's going to take a few years into a career in the NBA, assuming he makes it to the NBA. I love his skill level, the way he runs the floor, his hands, his shooting touch at legitimately college 3-point range. I think there is a lot of current skill and a lot of untapped potential there that really make him a terrific prospect."

Evan Daniels, Scout.com: "I think he's the best long-term prospect. At 6-11, Skal has tremendous offensive potential. He has great hands. He's got very soft touch around the basket. He's comfortable on the block going over either shoulder. He can face up and make mid-range jump shots, and he's also able to step out and make collegiate 3-pointers. Then you throw in the fact that he's mobile and runs the floor with ease. He has potential on the defensive end. He has good but not great length but very good timing and is pretty quick off his feet. I think he's going to end up being a pretty good rim protector. At the Nike Hoop Summit, I thought he was aggressive, and he clearly added 12 pounds to his frame. He's going to continue to add weight once he gets to a college weight room. I really didn't second-guess this choice (as No. 1 for Scout)."

Jerry Meyer, 247Sports.com: "At the end of the summer, he really took a step up with his game and started to become that player that everyone thought he had that potential to be. He has NBA length and NBA skill. He just needs to get physically stronger and physically tougher, but he's an extremely talented, lengthy player."

Paul Biancardi, ESPN.com: "I've watched him for the last couple years, and every time I see him, I see growth, and growth not just in his measurables – height, weight, wing span – but growth in his game. He's becoming more assertive, more self-confident. He's a very talented offensive player for his size in terms of shooting ability, facing the basket, a low-post jump hook, and he's an extremely good passer. And he's a developing shot-blocker. He's not a great shot-blocker, but he's one that keeps getting better. He has a good IQ. But the great thing about Skal is his teachable spirit. He really absorbs what you tell him and wants to be coached and wants to be better."

https://www.courier-journal.com/sto...15/05/09/super-five-skal-labissiere/27054767/
 
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