Slap in the face to our team and our coaches, not just to Dame

[PtldPlatypus]

I'm fine with Lillard not making the team. He has a great argument to make it but if you look at the other reserves I think the coaches got it right. It's a very close decision. Honestly I might rate CJ ahead of Dame through this point of the season. Dame is a poor defender. At this point were splitting hairs though; Dame has been tremendous and this is a great season for a PG he is putting together.

Boogie has put up monster numbers and elevated a terrible franchise to the same playoff picture as us.

LaMarcus has been part of a historic defense. It's more difficult to be a top member of the second best team in the league than a 20ppg scorer on a losing team.

Anthony Davis is having a disappointing season relative to his possible MVP discussion but he's such a matchup problem for opposition. Without him that team might've lost as much as the 6ers.

Harden is probably the worst player to make it but again when your in the MVP discussion and do lead your team to a winning record, even if it's far short of expectations, I understand the pick.

Really Dame is just stuck trying to make it in a loaded Western conference. 3 Warriors make the team deservedly so as possibly the best team of all time. Two Spurs make it being the best defensive team of all time. Kobe gets voted in as some bizarre send off tour I've never witnessed and don't understand. Durant and Westbrook are both locks being MVP teammates on a squad that other years could be the top team in the league.

That leaves 4 spots for all the teams ranked 4-14 in the conference. Switch the Spurs and Warriors with the Nets and 6ers then Dame makes it no question.

Kevin Love's numbers and impact on the Cavs (best team in his conference) are nearly identical to those of Aldridge on the Spurs.

John Wall's numbers are inferior to Dame's, and his team is underachieving.

Yet somehow, Aldridge is selected over Lillard, while Wall gets in over Love.

Help me understand the argument that applies to one pairing, but not to the other.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Why do we care? The all-star game is a big circle jerk anyway, and it will be especially distasteful this year with the emphasis on Kome's last year, blah blah...........let's all watch him start, suck, and dribble off to the glue factory.

Rest Dame, win games.

I was with you right up to the "win games" bit.

 

[Draco]

Kevin Love's numbers and impact on the Cavs (best team in his conference) are nearly identical to those of Aldridge on the Spurs.

John Wall's numbers are inferior to Dame's, and his team is underachieving.

Yet somehow, Aldridge is selected over Lillard, while Wall gets in over Love.

Help me understand the argument that applies to one pairing, but not to the other.

Love is at best an average defender. Coaches know the Cavs are sometimes better with Love on the bench and LeBron at PF. Love can't play against small ball teams. Wall is a better defender than Lillard.

Aldridge has been been part of a team achieving far more than the Cavs. The Blazers have a better record with Lillard missing games than playing.

There are great arguments for Dame making it; but great arguments for the players who did make it too. Close decision.

 

[riverman]

Love is at best an average defender. Coaches know the Cavs are sometimes better with Love on the bench and LeBron at PF. Love can't play against small ball teams. Wall is a better defender than Lillard.

Aldridge has been been part of a team achieving far more than the Cavs. The Blazers have a better record with Lillard missing games than playing.

There are great arguments for Dame making it; but great arguments for the players who did make it too. Close decision.

Kobe...I can't find an argument for him making this team other than nostalgia..no way Kobe deserves a spot over Dame but it's win win...Dame has a bum foot..the rest is more important than the meaningless allstar fiasco

 

[Orion Bailey]

Why do we care? The all-star game is a big circle jerk anyway, and it will be especially distasteful this year with the emphasis on Kome's last year, blah blah...........let's all watch him start, suck, and dribble off to the glue factory.

Rest Dame, win games.

There really is only one reason to care, but its absolutely valid. Recognition at the end of ones career. All Star appearances help stack up for HOF votes and so forth.
But yes, the event itself is a complete joke and its not even a funny one.

 

[Spud147]

I've read comments on stories about the snub and (mainly Spurs fans) are saying the coaches don't like him and LaMarcus was picked because he's more likeable. They also mention maturity issues. The only time I can remember Damian getting any negative press was from the All Star comments last year and then he just got over it. I've never gotten the impression that other coaches didn't like him or that he lacks maturity in any way. It's very odd to me... what are these people talking about?!? LaMarcus has all the, you know, personality, you know, of a pan of San Antonio Enchiladas (and by the looks of him he ate the whole pan in one sitting).

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Love is at best an average defender. Coaches know the Cavs are sometimes better with Love on the bench and LeBron at PF. Love can't play against small ball teams. Wall is a better defender than Lillard.

Aldridge has been been part of a team achieving far more than the Cavs. The Blazers have a better record with Lillard missing games than playing.

There are great arguments for Dame making it; but great arguments for the players who did make it too. Close decision.

So we're going only on reputation rather than actual performance? Love's defensive metrics are actually superior to Aldridge's this year. The Spurs are often better with West on the floor and Aldridge on the bench. Aldridge is arguably the third-most-effective PF on his own team. Aldridge can't play against small ball teams either; in fact, Love is better as a small ball center due to his ability to spread the floor. And comparing their teams' success is ridiculous if their respective coaches' competence isn't also considered.

All arguments for Aldridge are subjective or team-based. There are no objective, individual metrics that justify Aldridge's selection.

 

[Orion Bailey]

I've read comments on stories about the snub and (mainly Spurs fans) are saying the coaches don't like him and LaMarcus was picked because he's more likeable. They also mention maturity issues. The only time I can remember Damian getting any negative press was from the All Star comments last year and then he just got over it. I've never gotten the impression that other coaches didn't like him or that he lacks maturity in any way. It's very odd to me... what are these people talking about?!? LaMarcus has all the, you know, personality, you know, of a pan of San Antonio Enchiladas (and by the looks of him he ate the whole pan in one sitting).

One must recognize the source of the complaints....

Dame is more mature than most players in their 30's.

LMA is not like able, because he is too closet. You cant hide your personal life and be a likable guy. Spurs fans are just delusional in trying to validify LMA in the game.

 

[Spud147]

One must recognize the source of the complaints....

Dame is more mature than most players in their 30's.

LMA is not like able, because he is too closet. You cant hide your personal life and be a likable guy. Spurs fans are just delusional in trying to validify LMA in the game.

But why would they have anything against Dame?!? He was nothing but gracious to LaMarcus and had to cater to that head case's ego the whole time (along with the rest of the franchise) .

In the end, the Spurs have their max player and we have ours - we got the one who's actually worth it.

 

[Orion Bailey]

But why would they have anything against Dame?!? He was nothing but gracious to LaMarcus and had to cater to that head case's ego the whole time (along with the rest of the franchise) .

In the end, the Spurs have their max player and we have ours - we got the one who's actually worth it.

Easy answer? He still wears a Blazers Jersey and they think they gone one over on us this summer by signing LMA.
What Dame did with LMA or for LMA while he was here is inconsequential.

The fact that he is a Blazer is all anyone(non blazer fan) needs to start bashing...

 

[riverman]

I think the allstar nod for LA was actually a nod for coach Pops who will coach the western team. Pops himself would rather go wine tasting than coach the game. The allstar game has more often than not played favorites when it comes to older players. Patrick Ewing was getting in when his game was basically sitting on the bench with ice bags on his knees.

 

[Draco]

So we're going only on reputation rather than actual performance? Love's defensive metrics are actually superior to Aldridge's this year. The Spurs are often better with West on the floor and Aldridge on the bench. Aldridge is arguably the third-most-effective PF on his own team. Aldridge can't play against small ball teams either; in fact, Love is better as a small ball center due to his ability to spread the floor. And comparing their teams' success is ridiculous if their respective coaches' competence isn't also considered.

All arguments for Aldridge are subjective or team-based. There are no objective, individual metrics that justify Aldridge's selection.

Its definitely a team based selection. Also rewarding him for accepting a lesser role on a superior team as Chris Bosh did. Coaches like that more than a player putting up 20ppg on a losing team.

 

[BBert]

But why would they have anything against Dame?!? He was nothing but gracious to LaMarcus and had to cater to that head case's ego the whole time (along with the rest of the franchise) .

In the end, the Spurs have their max player and we have ours - we got the one who's actually worth it.

Maybe you answered your own question?

 

[Natebishop3]

But why would they have anything against Dame?!? He was nothing but gracious to LaMarcus and had to cater to that head case's ego the whole time (along with the rest of the franchise) .

In the end, the Spurs have their max player and we have ours - we got the one who's actually worth it.

They're just being defensive because virtually everyone is saying that LMA shouldn't have made the team and the majority of the people are saying that Dame was snubbed.

 

[STOMP]

They're just being defensive because virtually everyone is saying that LMA shouldn't have made the team and the majority of the people are saying that Dame was snubbed.

In days prior to the announcement of the selections, of the 8-10 or so different opinions I heard on the local Bay Area sports talk which included various newspaper columnists, NBA beat writers & talk show hosts, not one projected Damian to make the team. They sited the Blazers underwhelming record and the many other solid options at guard as to why he was probably going to be on the outside looking in. Almost all picked Aldridge siting the exact opposite reasons. I'm not aware of these professionals having any reason to root for or against either guy... actually, if anything they'd be rooting for Dame as an Oakland prodigy

It's not personal for them like it is for butthurt fans. They were just making their best guesses based on how the AS selections have worked for decades now. If Lillard is to make it next season, Portland needs to win more.

STOMP

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

In days prior to the announcement of the selections, of the 8-10 or so different opinions I heard on the local Bay Area sports talk which included various newspaper columnists, NBA beat writers & talk show hosts, not one projected Damian to make the team. They sited the Blazers underwhelming record and the many other solid options at guard as to why he was probably going to be on the outside looking in. Almost all picked Aldridge siting the exact opposite reasons. I'm not aware of these professionals having any reason to root for or against either guy... actually, if anything they'd be rooting for Dame as an Oakland prodigy

It's not personal for them like it is for butthurt fans. They were just making their best guesses based on how the AS selections have worked for decades now. If Lillard is to make it next season, Portland needs to win more.

STOMP

Just like Anthony Davis and demarcus cousins won more with their teams than lillard, right?

 

[STOMP]

Just like Anthony Davis and demarcus cousins won more with their teams than lillard, right?

Somehow I didn't spell it out enough. I said that Aldridge was being picked for the exact opposite reasons as Dame was left off. One of the two reasons I listed for DL not being projected by those media types to make the AS roster was that there were so many other good options at guard. Opposite of that was the blah options at the Big spots. The main reason was the Spurs are kicking the crap out of the league and have earned a 2nd spot and much to the chagrin of butthurt Blazer fans (check a mirror) LA is the guy who benefits.

hopefully that helps

STOMP

 

[BonesJones]

Somehow I didn't spell it out enough. I said that Aldridge was being picked for the exact opposite reasons as Dame was left off. One of the two reasons I listed for DL not being projected by those media types to make the AS roster was that there were so many other good options at guard. Opposite of that was the blah options at the Big spots. The main reason was the Spurs are kicking the crap out of the league and have earned a 2nd spot and much to the chagrin of butthurt Blazer fans (check a mirror) LA is the guy who benefits.

hopefully that helps

STOMP

Aldridge was one of the wild card selections, which means Dame could've been selected to the same spot, so the guard/bif argument holds no weight.

And the reason the Spurs are kicking ass is because Kawhi, has finally risen to superstar status..

 

[Natebishop3]

In days prior to the announcement of the selections, of the 8-10 or so different opinions I heard on the local Bay Area sports talk which included various newspaper columnists, NBA beat writers & talk show hosts, not one projected Damian to make the team. They sited the Blazers underwhelming record and the many other solid options at guard as to why he was probably going to be on the outside looking in. Almost all picked Aldridge siting the exact opposite reasons. I'm not aware of these professionals having any reason to root for or against either guy... actually, if anything they'd be rooting for Dame as an Oakland prodigy

It's not personal for them like it is for butthurt fans. They were just making their best guesses based on how the AS selections have worked for decades now. If Lillard is to make it next season, Portland needs to win more.

STOMP

Underwhelming record? We were picked by many of those same "experts" to be in the bottom 2-3 teams in the league. Underwhelming record? We're in the freakin playoff picture right now........ That's ridiculous.

 

[Sinobas]

We were supposed to be one of the two or three worst teams in the league.

We were supposed to be contending for the #1 draft pick. Nobody gave us a shot because we lost four out of five starters. Nobody gave us a shot because we lost Aldridge.

If the coaches value wins while picking the All-Stars, then they clearly didn't take into consideration that this team is CURRENTLY IN THE PLAYOFF PICTURE.

What a crock of shit. Dame is not only one of the top scorers in the league (6th best), and one of the top assist men in the league, but our team has been playing above expectations and Dame is a big part of that. The coaches can shove it. I hope Dame torches them all.

The problem is, nobody cares.

 

[MARIS61]

It's always good to get the yearly slap in the face out of the way before the break, so we can concentrate on more important things.

 

[rasheedfan2005]

Perfect. Now we sweep warriors in first round and everyone in the media jumps off a bridge after a team with no all stars destroys their stories about the epic warriors season.

 

[riverman]

It's always good to get the yearly slap in the face out of the way before the break, so we can concentrate on more important things.

Great post!

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

Aldridge was one of the wild card selections, which means Dame could've been selected to the same spot, so the guard/bif argument holds no weight.

And the reason the Spurs are kicking ass is because Kawhi, has finally risen to superstar status..

Yep.

Kobe, Durant, kawhi, Davis, cousins, green are all frontcourts

Paul, harden, Westbrook, curry are guards

Klay and lma wildcards

Could have been lillard.

And I'm sorry, I'm a fan of the blazers. If posters want to be petulant and call me butthurt go ahead. 24 ppg, 7apg and 4rpg on a team most media outlets thought would be bottom 5 is currently in the playoffs and lillard is our best player. He deserves to be there.

 

[Natebishop3]

Yep.

Kobe, Durant, kawhi, Davis, cousins, green are all frontcourts

Paul, harden, Westbrook, curry are guards

Klay and lma wildcards

Could have been lillard.

And I'm sorry, I'm a fan of the blazers. If posters want to be petulant and call me butthurt go ahead. 24 ppg, 7apg and 4rpg on a team most media outlets thought would be bottom 5 is currently in the playoffs and lillard is our best player. He deserves to be there.

Amen brother.


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[BBert]

.... 24 ppg, 7apg and 4rpg on a team most media outlets thought would be bottom 5 is currently in the playoffs and lillard is our best player. He deserves to be there.

Exactly this. The Blazers were picked to finish below 30 wins. The Blazers have, so far, overachieved any non-biased observer's expectations. And three time all star Damian Lillard is the best player on this overachieving team. His gaudy stats have already been posted. He's an all star caliber player. Period.

The good thing is Dame knows he's an all star, and he knows he is one whether or not he's selected for the team. He has grown up a bit since last year, and even though he pretty much said he thinks he deserves to be an all star, he gives the impression that he understands "how things work". He's not going to let it affect him negatively. I love the maturity.

 

[handiman]

24 ppg, 7apg and 4rpg on a team most media outlets thought would be bottom 5 is currently in the playoffs and lillard is our best player. He deserves to be there.

The problem I have with that is how inefficient his scoring was early on. He's vastly improved in that area of late and is unquestionably playing at an all-star level right now, but the bulk of the season has given the "good player on a bad team" stats stuffer impression to the, uh, more unbiased observers.

Low shooting percentage and high turnover rate makes high ppg and apg somewhat less impactful. And that doesn't even factor in defense, where PGs routinely go off for big nights against us.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

The problem I have with that is how inefficient his scoring was early on. He's vastly improved in that area of late and is unquestionably playing at an all-star level right now, but the bulk of the season has given the "good player on a bad team" stats stuffer impression to the, uh, more unbiased observers.

Low shooting percentage and high turnover rate makes high ppg and apg somewhat less impactful. And that doesn't even factor in defense, where PGs routinely go off for big nights against us.

Low shooting percentage? The dude is shooting a shit ton of threes each game, I believe its like 10 attempts without looking it up. So efg is a much better stat to use. Of which lillard is ahead of Aldridge, Westbrook, cousins, and close to Anthony Davis.

 

[handiman]

Low shooting percentage? The dude is shooting a shit ton of threes each game, I believe its like 10 attempts without looking it up. So efg is a much better stat to use. Of which lillard is ahead of Aldridge, Westbrook, cousins, and close to Anthony Davis.

What's his efg% by month?

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

What's his efg% by month?

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/lillada01/gamelog/2016/