small oden update

[julius]

Oden's last seven games before going down.

The #'s he put up were good, but the L's the team put up were not good.

3-4 in those 7 games, including 2 @ home, sucked.

His line:

15.5 ppg, 9.1 boards and 2.4 blocks in 26 minutes.

Per 36:

21 ppg, 12.6 boards and 3.3 blocks.

I'd take that from him now.

 

[illmatic99]

Ya, the losses came at a time when Nate was still confused about Dre, and Brandon didn't know how to play SF. GO did fairly well though. He was the lone bright spot on the team, and was gaining confidence by the game.

What's most alarming about those numbers is the fouls. He didn't foul out once. AKA, Nate effectively fouled him out, by benching him too long to prevent him from picking up his 6th. (if that makes any sense)

 

[mgb]

That's my gangsta' look!

More like the special bus look.

 

[Minstrel]

He didn't foul out once. AKA, Nate effectively fouled him out, by benching him too long to prevent him from picking up his 6th. (if that makes any sense)

I've said that before, also. Limiting his minutes to prevent him from fouling out is effectively fouling him out early. I'd rather see Oden foul out and not leave minutes on the table. And, hopefully, start learning not to foul so much so he doesn't end up fouling out, or risking it every night, playing normal starter minutes.

 

[Colonel Ronan]

(b'.')b

 

[hasoos]

That is good news. I hope the best for him.

 

[The Professional Fan]

Oden's last seven games before going down.

Loving that FT%. Kind of forgot he was such a good FT shooter for a big man. Fuck, this dude could be flat out unstoppable if he stayed healthy and stayed on the court. You can't hack-a-shaq him. You can't push him. You can't block him. God damnit. Please, Greg, bring us your most beastly abilities. Deliver. You will make us so damn good.

 

[STOMP]

Kinda like what Joakim puts up for the Bulls?

just for reference here's the average stats from the 3 times those two have matched up since they came into the league

Noah 19.3 Min, 4.7 Pnts, 54FG%, 0.7 FTM@ 50%, 5 Rbnds, 1 Blk, 4.7 fouls
Oden 23.3 Min, 17.3 Pts, 68FG%, 7.3 FTM@ 81%, 11.7 Rbs, 2Blk, 3.7 fouls

11-19-2008 Portland W 116-74
01-12-2009 Portland W 109-95
11-23-2009 Portland W 122-98

STOMP

 

[blazerboy30]

just for reference here's the average stats from the 3 times those two have matched up since they came into the league

Noah 19.3 Min, 4.7 Pnts, 54FG%, 0.7 FTM@ 50%, 5 Rbnds, 1 Blk, 4.7 fouls
Oden 23.3 Min, 17.3 Pts, 68FG%, 7.3 FTM@ 81%, 11.7 Rbs, 2Blk, 3.7 fouls

11-19-2008 Portland W 116-74
01-12-2009 Portland W 109-95
11-23-2009 Portland W 122-98

STOMP

Trade Oden for Noah!!

 

[BBert]

just for reference here's the average stats from the 3 times those two have matched up since they came into the league

Noah 19.3 Min, 4.7 Pnts, 54FG%, 0.7 FTM@ 50%, 5 Rbnds, 1 Blk, 4.7 fouls
Oden 23.3 Min, 17.3 Pts, 68FG%, 7.3 FTM@ 81%, 11.7 Rbs, 2Blk, 3.7 fouls

11-19-2008 Portland W 116-74
01-12-2009 Portland W 109-95
11-23-2009 Portland W 122-98

STOMP

"Stomp" is right. LOL

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Oden absolutely owns Noah head-to-head but that's not really the point. Can Oden stay healthy enough to put up consistent production as to what Noah does for Chicago?

11 PPG
11 RPG
64 games
---------
15 PPG
13 RPG
5 playoff games

Oden:
11 PPG
9 RPG
21 games
--------
0 playoff games

 

[espn_hall_of_famer]

Oden absolutely owns Noah head-to-head but that's not really the point. Can Oden stay healthy enough to put up consistent production as to what Noah does for Chicago?

11 PPG
11 RPG
64 games
---------
15 PPG
13 RPG
5 playoff games

Oden:
11 PPG
9 RPG
21 games
--------
0 playoff games

Actually, you're incorrect (along with your logic being flawed).

Oden has played 6 playoff games to Noah's 12.

But aside from that, the better logic is that Noah had played 47 games by the time he hit his 23rd birthday. Oden is 22 and has played 82 games already and will have at least another 30 by the time he turns 23. Tonsillitis, a collision with Maggette that caused a patella to split in two and an Amare preventitive survey on a tiny microfracture of cartilage don't equate to anything that can be used in analysis from age 23 and on for Oden any more than it could be factored into age 23 and on for Noah.

 

[hasoos]

Small Oden? Is that like Little Penny?

 

[mgb]

Actually, you're incorrect (along with your logic being flawed).

Oden has played 6 playoff games to Noah's 12.

But aside from that, the better logic is that Noah had played 47 games by the time he hit his 23rd birthday. Oden is 22 and has played 82 games already and will have at least another 30 by the time he turns 23. Tonsillitis, a collision with Maggette that caused a patella to split in two and an Amare preventitive survey on a tiny microfracture of cartilage don't equate to anything that can be used in analysis from age 23 and on for Oden any more than it could be factored into age 23 and on for Noah.

That's just speculation on your part, right? I haven't heard any official source say the two was related.

 

[espn_hall_of_famer]

That's just speculation on your part, right? I haven't heard any official source say the two was related.

I suppose that depends on your personal definition of "speculation". I suppose it is speculation that OJ committed murder since there have been no official admissions or video evidence of proof. But the overwhelming evidence tell any reasonable man the truth.

In the documented modern history of spontaneous patella fractures, you'll be hard pressed to find one happening with someone under 80 years old that hadn't had a previous trauma to the bone that caused a weakened stress line to area to cause the break. Hmm, can we think of any time there was trauma to the kneecap, that happens to match up exactly on line with were a chip was found months previously?

To me it's like the owner of a house who has a big cardboard sign he puts on a pole in front of his house every year for a parade. Years and years go by and his cardboard sign does fine out there. One year between parades, he's in the garage and he walks by the sign and accidentally bends it and causes a crease in the cardboard. It looks fine, just has a crease down the left-hand third of the sign now. Next year's parade comes and he puts the sign out. It is a typical windy day and suddenly his sign collapses and his sign is folded in over, DIRECTLY on that crease line. Now he doesn't officially put out a report that the crease he caused in the garage months earlier caused that sudden folding of the sign, but a sign that has never folded over before suddenly folded over, and right on that crease. He's too embarrassed to tell everyone he didn't treat the crease correctly when it happened in the garage, so he really doesn't want people to piece those together, he'll just get the sign back to 100% now and move on. But we can still "speculate" without an official report what the cause was for something that would normally never happen without a crease there to cause it.

 

[mgb]

I suppose that depends on your personal definition of "speculation". I suppose it is speculation that OJ committed murder since there have been no official admissions or video evidence of proof. But the overwhelming evidence tell any reasonable man the truth.

In the documented modern history of spontaneous patella fractures, you'll be hard pressed to find one happening with someone under 80 years old that hadn't had a previous trauma to the bone that caused a weakened stress line to area to cause the break. Hmm, can we think of any time there was trauma to the kneecap, that happens to match up exactly on line with were a chip was found months previously?

To me it's like the owner of a house who has a big cardboard sign he puts on a pole in front of his house every year for a parade. Years and years go by and his cardboard sign does fine out there. One year between parades, he's in the garage and he walks by the sign and accidentally bends it and causes a crease in the cardboard. It looks fine, just has a crease down the left-hand third of the sign now. Next year's parade comes and he puts the sign out. It is a typical windy day and suddenly his sign collapses and his sign is folded in over, DIRECTLY on that crease line. Now he doesn't officially put out a report that the crease he caused in the garage months earlier caused that sudden folding of the sign, but a sign that has never folded over before suddenly folded over, and right on that crease. He's too embarrassed to tell everyone he didn't treat the crease correctly when it happened in the garage, so he really doesn't want people to piece those together, he'll just get the sign back to 100% now and move on. But we can still "speculate" without an official report what the cause was for something that would normally never happen without a crease there to cause it.

To me it's like we don't even know if it cracked where the chip was. Total speculation, we don't know all the facts. Not a single source other than on this board or maybe other boards have said that was part of the reason. I don't think everyone would hide the fact if that was part of the reason. But the problem with speculating is after a point some will take it as a fact and then base a lot of other stuff on that fact when it wasn't a fact in the first place.

 

[Nikolokolus]

I suppose that depends on your personal definition of "speculation". I suppose it is speculation that OJ committed murder since there have been no official admissions or video evidence of proof. But the overwhelming evidence tell any reasonable man the truth.

In the documented modern history of spontaneous patella fractures, you'll be hard pressed to find one happening with someone under 80 years old that hadn't had a previous trauma to the bone that caused a weakened stress line to area to cause the break. Hmm, can we think of any time there was trauma to the kneecap, that happens to match up exactly on line with were a chip was found months previously?

To me it's like the owner of a house who has a big cardboard sign he puts on a pole in front of his house every year for a parade. Years and years go by and his cardboard sign does fine out there. One year between parades, he's in the garage and he walks by the sign and accidentally bends it and causes a crease in the cardboard. It looks fine, just has a crease down the left-hand third of the sign now. Next year's parade comes and he puts the sign out. It is a typical windy day and suddenly his sign collapses and his sign is folded in over, DIRECTLY on that crease line. Now he doesn't officially put out a report that the crease he caused in the garage months earlier caused that sudden folding of the sign, but a sign that has never folded over before suddenly folded over, and right on that crease. He's too embarrassed to tell everyone he didn't treat the crease correctly when it happened in the garage, so he really doesn't want people to piece those together, he'll just get the sign back to 100% now and move on. But we can still "speculate" without an official report what the cause was for something that would normally never happen without a crease there to cause it.

Bone physiology doesn't really work like that; trauma typically causes a healing response which actually makes the bone stronger, not weaker. The fact is, they don't know why his patella broke in half, it could be related to the Magette collision or something as simple as Oden having brittle bone anatomy.

 

[espn_hall_of_famer]

To me it's like we don't even know if it cracked where the chip was. Total speculation, we don't know all the facts. Not a single source other than on this board or maybe other boards have said that was part of the reason. I don't think everyone would hide the fact if that was part of the reason. But the problem with speculating is after a point some will take it as a fact and then base a lot of other stuff on that fact when it wasn't a fact in the first place.

Actually, there were many people off these boards (at least the medical experts that were interviewed by media) that suggested it was likely the two were linked. Just google in a strategic way to find interviews from the injury and you'll find any number of them. Here's one attached where the Oregonian interviewed an orthopedic expert who said, "It's not unusual that a serious pre-existing contact injury to the patella could have left a hairline fracture or an area of weakness in the patella that eventually fractured."

So the opinions have long been out there, you just won't find the Oden haters who want to think he's injury-prone to follow it and you won't get Blazers management to own up to it since they screwed up the Maggette collision in the first place and won't release the medical documents to the media to show the obvious.

http://www.oregonlive.com/sports/or...f/2009/12/somethings_not_right_about_gre.html

 

[mgb]

Actually, there were many people off these boards (at least the medical experts that were interviewed by media) that suggested it was likely the two were linked. Just google in a strategic way to find interviews from the injury and you'll find any number of them. Here's one attached where the Oregonian interviewed an orthopedic expert who said, "It's not unusual that a serious pre-existing contact injury to the patella could have left a hairline fracture or an area of weakness in the patella that eventually fractured."

So the opinions have long been out there, you just won't find the Oden haters who want to think he's injury-prone to follow it and you won't get Blazers management to own up to it since they screwed up the Maggette collision in the first place and won't release the medical documents to the media to show the obvious.

http://www.oregonlive.com/sports/or...f/2009/12/somethings_not_right_about_gre.html

As it said you can't tell without examing him. And you lose a lot of points for sending me to a crapzano article. Again, speculation and it even says so.

Oh, btw, I'm certainly not a Oden hater.

 

[espn_hall_of_famer]

As it said you can't tell without examing him. And you lose a lot of points for sending me to a crapzano article. Again, speculation and it even says so.

Oh, btw, I'm certainly not a Oden hater.

I hear you, and I certainly didn't want you to think I was generalizing you (I knew you weren't, you were just asking the question). I was just stating that at the time the questions were being asked of medical staff by the media and it wasn't really just messageboard fodder as some of these rumors are. It was a pretty unified answer on the medical front, but the Blazers FO and medical staff really never got pressured into investigating it or providing details, it just got swept under the rug in the overall swing of things. But the chip was in the same spot as the fracture, that's all I'll say.

 

[espn_hall_of_famer]

Bone physiology doesn't really work like that; trauma typically causes a healing response which actually makes the bone stronger, not weaker. The fact is, they don't know why his patella broke in half, it could be related to the Magette collision or something as simple as Oden having brittle bone anatomy.

I will say one thing that is actually sort-of nice about the entire Oden debate. With many things that are so extreme like the Oden being injury-prone or brittle bones vs. Oden just having a couple of unlucky instances with the microfracture and the collision with Maggette. In this case we will find out with 100% certainty in the next 6 months.

There are tons of speculation theories out there that we'll likely never know who is right. Is Kyron missing or dead, will we know in months? Unlikely. Are UFO's real or not? Will we ever know or will it be debated still in 100 years. Did OJ to it? Will we ever know? Everyone can have opinions and speculation, but with Oden, if he is a bone density issue that caused his patella to simply give way after 21 games and he physically has anatomy issues that are causing these bone issues, then there is no way on earth that he can make it through 82 games in a season without some failure in his anatomy. So if he has another 20-40 game season, then we have our answer, no link to the Maggette collision, but instead an anatomy issue. If he plays 70+ games (assuming he'll miss a few for rest or have the flu or some other random short term deal that cause every player to miss 5-10 games) then we know it wasn't anatomy, but instead just a couple of random instances that came and went. So we'll have complete closure on this in 6 months and it will no longer be a debate.

 

[Idog1976]

I too am biased, can't help myself! Greg is part of my posse!

I think I'm the one poster on this board who can claim complete Oden objectivity. I have zero bias in regards to Oden.