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I don't know if Trump is a racist or not. If he used to be one or had a change of heart. Maybe he wasn't and now that he's being called one he's become one.

I do know that there are millions of racists in this country and they ain't all white.

I want to know why I should even care at this point.

I think you do care, though, regardless of whether you should or not.

And yes, ol' Archie Bunker is a racist. It's in everything he says and does.

Maybe you want to make excuses for his racism, like 'he's a product of his times' or 'it's how he was raised' or 'he's not consciously racist' or 'he's too fucking selfish and stupid to consider the effects of his words and actions on others' - but racist he is.

barfo
 
Don't take the bait. This is dviss. Racist is his word, he uses it when he doesn't know what else to say.
It's harmless if you don't chomp too hard on it. He has called me racist for various post over several years now.
It's what he does. A Sydney wouldn't do it but a dviss does.

Your post can truly suck it.
 
I think you do care, though, regardless of whether you should or not.

And yes, ol' Archie Bunker is a racist. It's in everything he says and does.

Maybe you want to make excuses for his racism, like 'he's a product of his times' or 'it's how he was raised' or 'he's not consciously racist' or 'he's too fucking selfish and stupid to consider the effects of his words and actions on others' - but racist he is.

barfo
If he is the most racist human being living in this country, what difference does it make? That's what I wanna know.
 
He doesn't want to accept the dictionary so why should we? I've decided you're racist for pointing out we're white. And sexist too. You're 0/2

Fuck your dictionary. Racist white people wrote it. It's the same dictionary that gives "honest" as a definition for white and "evil" as a definition for black.
 
If he is the most racist human being living in this country, what difference does it make? That's what I wanna know.

Well, for you, it doesn't make any difference. For me...

Trump wants nationwide stop and frisk. Racial profiling nationwide. He thinks that's a good idea. I'm sure some in here think so too. Do you?

I'm thankful it was deemed unconstitutional.
 
Fuck your dictionary. Racist white people wrote it. It's the same dictionary that gives "honest" as a definition for white and "evil" as a definition for black.
You do know that if you don't agree with certain words you can use others the way they are intended to make your point.

If you're trying to explain to me that 2 plus 2 equals 6 you can't just say the reason is "because"

Use something I understand to make me see your point.

As of now you just say you don't wanna believe something because you don't like who wrote the dictionary. I just typed the word evil into google and the word black was not in the results.

White shows things such as a white wedding being free of sin..blah blah blah blah. Who fucking cares?

You have your own agenda and nobody can convince you of anything.

Maybe you can rewrite the dictionary and see if it catches on.
 
But who was the real Pocahontas, and how did we come to be so fixated on her?
First of all, she wasn't really named Pocahontas."Pocahontas" was actually a nickname, meaning something along the lines of "mischievous one." Colonist William Strachey chronicled how 11-year-old Pocahontas would visit the settlers' fort at Jamestown and turn cartwheels with the English children, according to "
Malinche, Pocahontas, and Sacagawea: Indian Women as Cultural Intermediaries and National Symbols."

There's a reason why we remember Pocahontas, and not other members of her tribe and family. Her alleged interactions with English colonist John Smith played a major role in shaping her legacy.

In December 1607, Wahunsenaca's brother Opechancanough captured Smith while he was exploring the Chickahominy River. Smith later claimed that Pocahontas disrupted his execution, throwing her body across his to protect him. In a 1616 letter to Queen Anne, he even wrote "she hazarded the beating out of her own brains to save mine."

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Chief Roy Crazy Horse, the late leader of the Powhatan Renape Nation wrote the narrative around Pocahontas perpetuates the myth of the "good Indian." Chip Somodevilla / Getty Images


Numerous historians have pointed out the famous event likely did not happen as Smith described it — if it even happened at all. It wasn't the first time Smith had claimed to be saved by a young woman who intervened to save him from her male relatives. In "Pocahontas and the Powhatan Dilemma," Camilla Townsend writes Smith claimed a young Muslim woman had protected him in a similar fashion while he was enslaved in Turkey. What's more, Smith left the dramatic incident out of most of his early writings. He didn't even mention it until 1624.

Chief Roy Crazy Horse, the late leader of the Powhatan Renape Nation, wrote the alleged incident helped propel Pocahontas to lasting fame: "Of all of Powhatan's children, only 'Pocahontas' is known, primarily because she became the hero of Euro-Americans as the 'good Indian,' one who saved the life of a white man," he wrote.

Just a few years after she allegedly saved Smith, English captain Samuel Argall lured Pocahontas onto his ship and took her hostage during the First Anglo-Powhaten War. Indian Country Today reports that the Mattaponi tribe's oral history asserts she was raped in captivity, and that her abduction separated her from her first husband and daughter.

Ultimately she was converted to Christianity and baptized as Rebecca. She married settler John Rolfe on April 5, 1614. He had lost his wife Sarah after some of the English colonists were shipwrecked on Bermuda. The couple had one child together, a son named Thomas.

The marriage established what became known as "the Peace of Pocahontas" — a lull in the fighting between the English and the Powhaten. The cash-strapped Virginia Company hoped to establish the couple as a "symbol of peaceful relations" in London, according to Encyclopedia Virginia. So in 1616, Pocahontas, her husband, and her young son traveled to England for a publicity tour, on a ship captained by none other than Argall.

She would never return to Virginia.

In March 1617, the family boarded the ship that would take them back to North America. Pocahontas and Thomas were struck with a sudden illness as it sailed down the Thames; he survived, she did not.

Pocahontas, who was likely only about 21 years old, was buried in Gravesend. Rolfe and his son ultimately returned to Virginia. Rolfe died in 1622, possibly in an attack orchestrated by his second wife's uncle Opechancanough, according to "The Cultural Roots of the 1622 Indian Attack." In 1644, Thomas Rolfe joined the conflict against his mother's people, becoming a lieutenant for the English military.
 
1. I voted for a racist and ya know, I'm not really bothered by that.
2. What does this new instance of him saying something he has said before change about anything? Racism doesn't affect me anyway.

FTFY
 
Well, for you, it doesn't make any difference. For me...

Trump wants nationwide stop and frisk. Racial profiling nationwide. He thinks that's a good idea. I'm sure some in here think so too. Do you?

I'm thankful it was deemed unconstitutional.
I've thought it was a horrific Nazi bullshit clearly unconstitutional thing the entire time. It is idiotic. Sure, it would work. Just like searching pock marked tweaker looking white trash would be more likely to find meth.

You can't just search someone because you know they did something by looking at them.
 
But who was the real Pocahontas, and how did we come to be so fixated on her?
First of all, she wasn't really named Pocahontas."Pocahontas" was actually a nickname, meaning something along the lines of "mischievous one." Colonist William Strachey chronicled how 11-year-old Pocahontas would visit the settlers' fort at Jamestown and turn cartwheels with the English children, according to "
Malinche, Pocahontas, and Sacagawea: Indian Women as Cultural Intermediaries and National Symbols."

There's a reason why we remember Pocahontas, and not other members of her tribe and family. Her alleged interactions with English colonist John Smith played a major role in shaping her legacy.

In December 1607, Wahunsenaca's brother Opechancanough captured Smith while he was exploring the Chickahominy River. Smith later claimed that Pocahontas disrupted his execution, throwing her body across his to protect him. In a 1616 letter to Queen Anne, he even wrote "she hazarded the beating out of her own brains to save mine."

gettyimages-71425248.jpg
Chief Roy Crazy Horse, the late leader of the Powhatan Renape Nation wrote the narrative around Pocahontas perpetuates the myth of the "good Indian." Chip Somodevilla / Getty Images


Numerous historians have pointed out the famous event likely did not happen as Smith described it — if it even happened at all. It wasn't the first time Smith had claimed to be saved by a young woman who intervened to save him from her male relatives. In "Pocahontas and the Powhatan Dilemma," Camilla Townsend writes Smith claimed a young Muslim woman had protected him in a similar fashion while he was enslaved in Turkey. What's more, Smith left the dramatic incident out of most of his early writings. He didn't even mention it until 1624.

Chief Roy Crazy Horse, the late leader of the Powhatan Renape Nation, wrote the alleged incident helped propel Pocahontas to lasting fame: "Of all of Powhatan's children, only 'Pocahontas' is known, primarily because she became the hero of Euro-Americans as the 'good Indian,' one who saved the life of a white man," he wrote.

Just a few years after she allegedly saved Smith, English captain Samuel Argall lured Pocahontas onto his ship and took her hostage during the First Anglo-Powhaten War. Indian Country Today reports that the Mattaponi tribe's oral history asserts she was raped in captivity, and that her abduction separated her from her first husband and daughter.

Ultimately she was converted to Christianity and baptized as Rebecca. She married settler John Rolfe on April 5, 1614. He had lost his wife Sarah after some of the English colonists were shipwrecked on Bermuda. The couple had one child together, a son named Thomas.

The marriage established what became known as "the Peace of Pocahontas" — a lull in the fighting between the English and the Powhaten. The cash-strapped Virginia Company hoped to establish the couple as a "symbol of peaceful relations" in London, according to Encyclopedia Virginia. So in 1616, Pocahontas, her husband, and her young son traveled to England for a publicity tour, on a ship captained by none other than Argall.

She would never return to Virginia.

In March 1617, the family boarded the ship that would take them back to North America. Pocahontas and Thomas were struck with a sudden illness as it sailed down the Thames; he survived, she did not.

Pocahontas, who was likely only about 21 years old, was buried in Gravesend. Rolfe and his son ultimately returned to Virginia. Rolfe died in 1622, possibly in an attack orchestrated by his second wife's uncle Opechancanough, according to "The Cultural Roots of the 1622 Indian Attack." In 1644, Thomas Rolfe joined the conflict against his mother's people, becoming a lieutenant for the English military.

Triggered.
 
I've thought it was a horrific Nazi bullshit clearly unconstitutional thing the entire time. It is idiotic. Sure, it would work. Just like searching pock marked tweaker looking white trash would be more likely to find meth.

You can't just search someone because you know they did something by looking at them.

Why are you so clueless about this subject? Google "stop and frisk stats". Just do it. And look at the ACLU site. Those numbers speak for themselves. The people they stopped and frisked (because they "looked suspicious") in the years that they we're using that method, the numbers of people of color we're far more than any white people while over 80% of the people they stopped were completely innocent.
 
No, clearly it doesn't affect me. However, I saw Trump give a speech at a church in Detroit. Looking back he didn't mean a damn word of what he said but Hillary is still just as much of a liar. I wanted him to do what he said, invest in cities like that and bring them out of despair.

However, there is still an issue you don't want to talk about. Your group. My favorite rapper says "I'm a black man and I can never be a veteran"

My black neighbor that owns a half a million dollar house and three Lexus LS's was a jet mechanic in the military. He retired from the military and works as an airline mechanic at McCarran. Dude's loaded. I asked him if he planned it or what and he said nope, just got lucky how it worked out.

He's got it better than me.
 
Trump's comment was very disrespectful to the brave men who were there to be honored. His beef with Warren had nothing to do with them yet he choose their heritage to insult her. Whether or not she is native american has nothing to do with it, it was the absolute wrong time and place for that comment. He dishonored some great American veterans.
 
No, clearly it doesn't affect me. However, I saw Trump give a speech at a church in Detroit. Looking back he didn't mean a damn word of what he said but Hillary is still just as much of a liar. I wanted him to do what he said, invest in cities like that and bring them out of despair.

However, there is still an issue you don't want to talk about. Your group. My favorite rapper says "I'm a black man and I can never be a veteran"

My black neighbor that owns a half a million dollar house and three Lexus LS's was a jet mechanic in the military. He retired from the military and works as an airline mechanic at McCarran. Dude's loaded. I asked him if he planned it or what and he said nope, just got lucky how it worked out.

He's got it better than me.

And I'm sure your black neighbor is reminded everyday that his prosperity doesn't mean shit in this country. Just like Muhammad Ali came back from smashing Nazis faces and couldn't even eat at a lunch counter in his own hometown. Just like black soldiers who came home from war had to stand up while their Nazi counterparts got seats on trains.

And I don't even know where to start when you're talking about "your group..."
 
Why are you so clueless about this subject? Google "stop and frisk stats". Just do it. And look at the ACLU site. Those numbers speak for themselves. The people they stopped and frisked (because they "looked suspicious") in the years that they we're using that method, the numbers of people of color we're far more than any white people while over 80% of the people they stopped were completely innocent.
Do you even read what I write before I reply?

Do you think that I said it is ok?

Do you think more likely means 100 percent?

If I stopped 100 random white people, old or young or tall or short. Made no judgement based on what they looked like other than their color and searched them.

Do you think I'd find more or less meth than picking 100 white people by carefully selecting those that looked like meth addicts?

If I went and stood in whatever part of Chicago all the gang shootings are happening in and picked all the stereotypical looking movie type gang members I wouldn't occasionally get a hit? Of course I would.

It would still be unconstitutional. Good thing those crackers on the court used the dictionary to decide that one.
 
Trump's comment was very disrespectful to the brave men who were there to be honored. His beef with Warren had nothing to do with them yet he choose their heritage to insult her. Whether or not she is native american has nothing to do with it, it was the absolute wrong time and place for that comment. He dishonored some great American veterans.

See y'all? Is this so hard? Nope. Sly shows y'all everyday how a REAL conservative should be.

Emulate.
 
And I'm sure your black neighbor is reminded everyday that his prosperity doesn't mean shit in this country. Just like Muhammad Ali came back from smashing Nazis faces and couldn't even eat at a lunch counter in his own hometown. Just like black soldiers who came home from war had to stand up while their Nazi counterparts got seats on trains.

And I don't even know where to start when you're talking about "your group..."
What the fuck are you talking about? Reminded by whom?

You're the one who wants to be part of a different group than me. I don't want that.
 
As per usual, anything that Trump accuses someone else of, he is guilty of himself:
barfo

Wrong. Watched the whole clip, and recall some of it from back then when it happened as it was a huge issue with the Mafia still in power and almost single-handedly funding most campaigns legalizing casinos on Indian lands.

Trump totally exposed the Feds as blatant racists who were rubber-stamping racketeering, prostitution, rigged gambling, and and other crimes committed at the direction of the Mafia. He caught 40 year swamp-rat Rep. George Miller (CA) in a blatant lie where he tried to pass off a racist Don Imus quote as Trump's words, and made him apologize on the spot. He pointed out the Feds were not taxing American Indian Casinos, giving each of them a several hundred million dollar edge over non-Indian casino owners.
 
Do you even read what I write before I reply?

Do you think that I said it is ok?

Do you think more likely means 100 percent?

If I stopped 100 random white people, old or young or tall or short. Made no judgement based on what they looked like other than their color and searched them.

Do you think I'd find more or less meth than picking 100 white people by carefully selecting those that looked like meth addicts?

If I went and stood in whatever part of Chicago all the gang shootings are happening in and picked all the stereotypical looking movie type gang members I wouldn't occasionally get a hit? Of course I would.

It would still be unconstitutional. Good thing those crackers on the court used the dictionary to decide that one.

I misread what you wrote. My bad. And you really need to not put words in my mouth. I don't call white people that.
 
I misread what you wrote. My bad. And you really need to not put words in my mouth. I don't call white people that.
Was being sarcastic.

Do you know how hard it has been for me to not get out and attack the immigration checkpoint officers on US soil the few times I've had to stop for one in AZ?

My wife has to keep me calm. And I want illegals gone yesterday. From any country and any color.

We don't follow the laws we have and then I have to be stopped at some random checkpoint. Fuck that.
 
I misread what you wrote. My bad. And you really need to not put words in my mouth. I don't call white people that.
Reread these quotes. I thought the whole thing was idiotic but don't see what it changes.
I think it is hilarious that he is clearly a piece of shit and ONCE AGAIN you have to make up stuff to throw at him. Or at least live in denial of the point he was so unnecessarily trying to make.

For the last time he THINKS SHE ISN'T NATIVE AMERICAN.

Let's forget the whole Elizabeth Warren is this or that much native american part and actually look at the meat of this thread.

1. Who says Trump isn't racist?
2. What does this new instance of him saying something he has said before change about anything?

Focus on unnecessarily. I don't know what would possess him to say that there. He couldn't think he was saying something racist to those vets. Why would he do that if he did?

This still doesn't change anything, just proves that he has little if any ability to read the room so to speak. Or pick his spots....whatever. He clearly hasn't got an adviser that he'll listen to.

He's lacking a Big Man Coach if you will.
 
Foolish. Her claiming to be part Native (most of us are) means he needs to deride her heritage????

Most of us are part Native? Not sure what you even mean by that.

Who is "us"? :dunno:

I am 100% Native American, and damn proud of America. :cheers:
 
I'm not sure your link supports the claim in bold. If I missed it let me know.

barfo

Better yet, quit pretending you're right (your usual fallback position) and just google it. She lied about it on 3 employment applications (an EOO crime in most states) that she was an Indian and she got all three jobs. On all three jobs she openly bragged about being Indian and then used the lie to get elected to the Senate. Her lies meant a Real American Indian didn't get those jobs, hope they got something else and didn't suffer because of her greed and dishonesty.

She's a horrible person who should never be allowed to have power over others, and I look forward to other lying swamp-rats being called out by President Trump in the future. We elected him to drain the swamp, and that's what he's doing.
 
Better yet, quit pretending you're right (your usual fallback position) and just google it. She lied about it on 3 employment applications (an EOO crime in most states) that she was an Indian and she got all three jobs. On all three jobs she openly bragged about being Indian and then used the lie to get elected to the Senate. Her lies meant a Real American Indian didn't get those jobs, hope they got something else and didn't suffer because of her greed and dishonesty.

She's a horrible person who should never be allowed to have power over others, and I look forward to other lying swamp-rats being called out by President Trump in the future. We elected him to drain the swamp, and that's what he's doing.

I usually am right, so it's not a bad fallback position.

In this case as in most, you fail to provide any evidence whatsoever, while making at least one claim that is provably false, and others that aren't provable one way or the other.

You don't actually know whether Warren has any native blood or not. Nobody does, probably not even her.
You don't actually know whether Warren ever listed herself as native on a job applications, because the only ones that have been made public she was listed as white.
The provably false claim is that she used her native heritage to get elected to the Senate. Actually the opposite is true, Scott Brown brought it into the race and used it as a club to beat her with (she won anyway).

barfo
 
If he is the most racist human being living in this country, what difference does it make? That's what I wanna know.

I guess if you are a nihilist, it makes no difference? Pol Pot or an iguana would be good presidents too?

Iguana/FidgetSpinner 2020! Because nothing matters.

barfo
 
I guess if you are a nihilist, it makes no difference? Pol Pot or an iguana would be good presidents too?

Iguana/FidgetSpinner 2020! Because nothing matters.

barfo
Wasn't the point. Haven't said he's been a good President. At this point everything he does becomes traumatic for someone. The point it what is the constant bitching about him doing?

Not much. Now they'll slip this tax plan through and probably fuck most of us over. While Pocahontas is the topic for everyone.
 
Wasn't the point. Haven't said he's been a good President. At this point everything he does becomes traumatic for someone. The point it what is the constant bitching about him doing?

Ok, but that's not the question you asked. The question you asked was what difference does it make if he's a gigantic racist.

That's a different question than 'what's the point of complaining that he's a gigantic racist'?

barfo
 
Ok, but that's not the question you asked. The question you asked was what difference does it make if he's a gigantic racist.

That's a different question than 'what's the point of complaining that he's a gigantic racist'?

barfo
I'll ask again, what difference does it make? We know it is true? Is Mueller going to indict him for being a racist?

My question is apt, what difference does it make?

Especially now to start a thread about something he just repeated that he'd already said before. The only new info is how staggeringly tone deaf he is and when and where he said it.
 

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