Politics So he's not racist huh??

[Cippy91]

 

[dviss1]

Seems like a compliment:

Pocahontas
image: http://cdn.thinkbabynames.com/img/play.png

as a girls' name is of Native American Indian origin, and the meaning of Pocahontas is "playful".

Read more at http://www.thinkbabynames.com/meaning/0/Pocahontas#y2cdxKRRZJ2aTl9L.99

Let's forget the whole Elizabeth Warren is this or that much native american part and actually look at the meat of this thread.

1. Who says Trump isn't racist?
2. What does this new instance of him saying something he has said before change about anything?

Wrong. Watched the whole clip, and recall some of it from back then when it happened as it was a huge issue with the Mafia still in power and almost single-handedly funding most campaigns legalizing casinos on Indian lands.

Trump totally exposed the Feds as blatant racists who were rubber-stamping racketeering, prostitution, rigged gambling, and and other crimes committed at the direction of the Mafia. He caught 40 year swamp-rat Rep. George Miller (CA) in a blatant lie where he tried to pass off a racist Don Imus quote as Trump's words, and made him apologize on the spot. He pointed out the Feds were not taxing American Indian Casinos, giving each of them a several hundred million dollar edge over non-Indian casino owners.

Most of us are part Native? Not sure what you even mean by that.

Who is "us"?

I am 100% Native American, and damn proud of America.

Dviss is like the Shaun king of this forum but actually black. The Tariq nasheed. You actively look to be outraged by non issues and pull the race card on it. Did you know that most native Americans don’t even give a fuck about the Washington redskins name?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...38753295f9a_story.html?utm_term=.e9a178e1f273

This is where we start to get in dangerous territory as a nation. When this outrage shit happens for no reason. I don’t care for trump but what I do care for is young kids in this country and their future and this bullshit constant race card pulling and “everything is racist, I’m outraged” shit is gonna be the end of freedom of speech. Fucking get your priorities straight and maybe choose your battles wisely with actual racist shit, not this petty stupid shit. It’s a non issue.

Oh, so you're white, all it takes is one drop. Welcome to the club, your secret white privledge package is coming in the mail.

The last post is just as stupid as anything @Sinobas has posted but most of these are in defense of racism.

 

[dviss1]

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The silliest shit that you never seem to get is that as much as you wanna say I say things are racist, you're the one who consistently says they aren't. I've yet to see you agree.
Matter of fact you were the one who said everything is pretty much equal in this country.

Talk about fucking clueless...

 

[Cippy91]

The last post is just as stupid as anything @Sinobas has posted but most of these are in defense of racism.

are you crazy or just that delusional?

 

[dviss1]

are you crazy or just that delusional?

See above post and we can be done now.

 

[Cippy91]

The silliest shit that you never seem to get is that as much as you wanna say I say things are racist, you're the one who consistently says they aren't. I've yet to see you agree.
Matter of fact you were the one who said everything is pretty much equal in this country.

Talk about fucking clueless...

because what you originally made this thread for just isn't racist. I know you think it is but it isn't.

 

[dviss1]

because what you originally made this thread for just isn't racist. I know you think it is but it isn't.

Yeah. It is. But the fact that you don't see it is telling. You truly could give a fuck about racism so you keep wearing that PePe costume.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

The last post is just as stupid as anything @Sinobas has posted but most of these are in defense of racism.

Explain my post you quoted.

 

[rasheedfan2005]

You don't even know. It's literally almost everyday. Again, all black people don't look alike.

all fats dont look alike either. #stoptheh8

 

[Cippy91]

Yeah. It is. But the fact that you don't see it is telling. You truly could give a fuck about racism so you keep wearing that PePe costume.

Pepe isn’t a costume. Pepe is a glorious meme

 

[Cippy91]

Explain my post you quoted.

He won’t

 

[BonesJones]

Ya'll got up in ARMS about Beyonce saying "Becky with the good hair". Now calling her Pocahontas isn't racist?

Y'all need some fucking help...

Who's "y'all" in this scenario... white people?

White people need some fucking help?

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Who's "y'all" in this scenario... white people?

White people need some fucking help?

I've never cared about anything Beyonce does. White people minus 1.

 

[BonesJones]

If you were a white person claiming african american heritage your analogy would be on point. He is poking fun at her claiming native heritage, when she is clearly predominantly white. Is it in poor taste? Yea, especially for a president. Is it racist? Not really. If Trump clamed to be some minute fraction native American that shit would be on SNL and every other late night show being hosed with Indian puns.

I'm that last person to defend Trump and even I believe his intentions weren't racist, and we're instead mocking what he believes to be false claims of native heritage. Offensive and racist are different.. If I was claiming to be African-American (I'm white as hell) and somebody laughed and said "Okay Jerome", I wouldn't think they're racist for that.

Is Trump racist? In my opinion, yes. But some people keep reaching for examples when they don't need to, and then act like anyone who doesn't agree with them "needs some fucking help" and needs to "figure their shit out". It's ridiculous.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

I'm that last person to defend Trump and even I believe his intentions weren't racist, and we're instead mocking what he believes to be false claims of native heritage. Offensive and racist are different.. If I was claiming to be African-American (I'm white as hell) and somebody laughed and said "Okay Jerome", I wouldn't think they're racist for that.

Is Trump racist? In my opinion, yes. But some people keep reaching for examples when they don't need to, and then act like anyone who doesn't agree with them "needs some fucking help" and needs to "figure their shit out". It's ridiculous.

End thread.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

If you don't agree with Dviss you're a RASSIST!

Wait, did you mix racist and ass?

 

[HomerLovesKoolAid]

Sly is a bassist! (Tuba)

And lock this bullshit, redundant, tiredass thread down while you're at it.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Rachel " chocolate covered" Donutho...

I crack myself up

 

[Orion Bailey]

D, I love ya man, but Bones nailed it. There is a difference between offensive and racist, and I also think that Trump is, if not racist, prejudiced.

But again, trying to use this as an example to point it out, just lessens the impact when true legit racism is called out.

Bodyman is a perfect example. Not trying to speak for him, but reading him, im pretty sure he could care less about anything racist whether its legit or not because its so overwhelming and overused to the point of a cliche, when in actuality there are levels of offensive behavior that differs from one human to another.

I think some wise man once said, You cant fight all the evils of the world, but you can fight the ones that do damage.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

D, I love ya man, but Bones nailed it. There is a difference between offensive and racist, and I also think that Trump is, if not racist, prejudiced.

But again, trying to use this as an example to point it out, just lessens the impact when true legit racism is called out.

Bodyman is a perfect example. Not trying to speak for him, but reading him, im pretty sure he could care less about anything racist whether its legit or not because its so overwhelming and overused to the point of a cliche, when in actuality there are levels of offensive behavior that differs from one human to another.

I think some wise man once said, You cant fight all the evils of the world, but you can fight the ones that do damage.

I'LL explain why I don't care in one sentence.


They're trying to fight fire with fire.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

I should change care to give a fuck. They're different terms.

 

[calvin natt]

Hey dviss.

I don’t really love you over on the Blazer forum. Thought you came across a little strong.

That being said. If you find yourself dealing with racists who are ignorant to what’s going on in the real world right now, and with people who are unwilling to admit fault with people who are so clearly wrong and evil (trump), and can’t understand how you feel the way you feel after decades and decades of being slighted and discriminated against - not just you but your family many generations above you - I would say don’t waste your time and energy and emotions on people like this. And maybe it’s worth it to you - it gives you an outlet. In which case then keep it up. Just know that there is a % of the population that is not going to change and don’t want to change. They are truly a lost cause. They do not represent everyone. Thank god.

Just my two cents.

 

[Further]

There are only a few trump supporters on this whole forum and they aren’t even bad people. They actually go against the own stereotype you so badly want to paint trump supporters which is funny because you called me out for stereotyping. I mean yeah some of the stereotypes about certain trump supporters are true. The ones on this forum though are pretty reasonable people.

Mostly going back pre-Trump, there are four frequent posters whom I fully and totally believe are racist. One is not a Trump supporter usually but the other three are. Just because people post here doesn’t mean they are angles. I think there are many posters here who frequently support Trump, like @BrianFromWA who I believe is very fair, smart and has never given me any reason to think he is racist. Then there are many posters like @bodyman5000 and 1 or @PtldPlatypus who don’t support Trump but does take an individual look at each topic and often a particular view may coincide with Trumps, or @dviss1 or a totally unique take.

Point is, there are many on this board who are not racist, but there certainly are several who sure as fuck are, and to deny that or overlook that is damaging.

I am purposely not naming the 4 who I believe wholeheartedly are racist because that would not do any good.

I also believe there is a huge swath of posters who aren’t racist.

 

[crandc]

I'm not calling you conservative, I'm talking to the conservatives on the board letting them know you're not hard to understand. They simply choose not to.

Though I won't include @SlyPokerDog and @PtldPlatypus in that group. They are the most sensible conservatives on the board.

Ok, it looked like you were addressing me.
I also learned that liking cats makes me unreliable.

 

[rasheedfan2005]

Mostly going back pre-Trump, there are four frequent posters whom I fully and totally believe are racist. One is not a Trump supporter usually but the other three are. Just because people post here doesn’t mean they are angles. I think there are many posters here who frequently support Trump, like @BrianFromWA who I believe is very fair, smart and has never given me any reason to think he is racist. Then there are many posters like @bodyman5000 and 1 or @PtldPlatypus who don’t support Trump but does take an individual look at each topic and often a particular view may coincide with Trumps, or @dviss1 or a totally unique take.

Point is, there are many on this board who are not racist, but there certainly are several who sure as fuck are, and to deny that or overlook that is damaging.

I am purposely not naming the 4 who I believe wholeheartedly are racist because that would not do any good.

I also believe there is a huge swath of posters who aren’t racist.

New forum game? Name that racist?

 

[Nate]

Hey dviss.

I don’t really love you over on the Blazer forum. Thought you came across a little strong.

That being said. If you find yourself dealing with racists who are ignorant to what’s going on in the real world right now, and with people who are unwilling to admit fault with people who are so clearly wrong and evil (trump), and can’t understand how you feel the way you feel after decades and decades of being slighted and discriminated against - not just you but your family many generations above you - I would say don’t waste your time and energy and emotions on people like this. And maybe it’s worth it to you - it gives you an outlet. In which case then keep it up. Just know that there is a % of the population that is not going to change and don’t want to change. They are truly a lost cause. They do not represent everyone. Thank god.

Just my two cents.

@dviss1 is the most racist person I’ve encountered on this forum. He doesn’t want equality, he wants to bitch and complain about how he’s being oppressed by white people every day. He hates all white people because of things.

He refuses to accept anything other than his narrative. This forum is his outlet to whine like a bitch, because if he said this shit in real life, people would laugh at him.

I had seen that twitter profile picture of Shaun King before. I had no clue who he was, but I always thought.

“Who is this little bitch ass white cuck, and why do people keep retweeting his stupid shit?”

That nerdy little white kid is obviously white, and he looks exactly like his dad, and he is refusing to take a dna test. But dviss will not accept this because like I said, he will not accept anything that doesn’t fit his narrative.

 

[BonesJones]

Hey dviss.

I don’t really love you over on the Blazer forum. Thought you came across a little strong.

That being said. If you find yourself dealing with racists who are ignorant to what’s going on in the real world right now, and with people who are unwilling to admit fault with people who are so clearly wrong and evil (trump), and can’t understand how you feel the way you feel after decades and decades of being slighted and discriminated against - not just you but your family many generations above you - I would say don’t waste your time and energy and emotions on people like this. And maybe it’s worth it to you - it gives you an outlet. In which case then keep it up. Just know that there is a % of the population that is not going to change and don’t want to change. They are truly a lost cause. They do not represent everyone. Thank god.

Just my two cents.

I agree with this. But also, not everyone who disagrees with you on the context of a situation doesn't increased racism, or doesn't agree with you on most other situations.

Let's not try to generalize people based on how they interpret unique situations. That's the problem I had with Dviss here, acting as if anyone who didn't agree with his view here was extremely wrong.

 

[BonesJones]

@dviss1 is the most racist person I’ve encountered on this forum. He doesn’t want equality, he wants to bitch and complain about how he’s being oppressed by white people every day. He hates all white people because of things.

He refuses to accept anything other than his narrative. This forum is his outlet to whine like a bitch, because if he said this shit in real life, people would laugh at him.

I had seen that twitter profile picture of Shaun King before. I had no clue who he was, but I always thought.

“Who is this little bitch ass white cuck, and why do people keep retweeting his stupid shit?”

That nerdy little white kid is obviously white, and he looks exactly like his dad, and he is refusing to take a dna test. But dviss will not accept this because like I said, he will not accept anything that doesn’t fit his narrative.

Dude... No.

Dviss is a great dude. He has his faults in not easily accepting other viewpoints on situations, and he too easily takes away from unique viewpoints (based on experiences that hes had which I (being a white male) will never be able experience) by acting as if those who don't have those experiences have no validity in their opinions.

However, his viewpoints and his experiences need to be listened to with an open mind, because there is a disconnect that can be bridged by just attempting to understand the different views others have.

You're complaining about him not doing so, but also classifying his views as "bitching" and as an "outlet to whine". It's hypocritical.

Also, don't belittle his viewpoints by generalizing the reaction he would get if he shared them. I'd love to have on open conversation with Dviss about his views even if I heavily disagree with them. I would certainly not laugh at him.

 

[Further]

for what its worth, I think Trump is a racist and this is one of many examples. However, I also see how someone can view this in isolation and not screen racist. most of the things Trump does that I find racist are things that peek over the racist line but if someone wanted to interpret the action using only the most optimistic views i see how they could see it differently. However, in aggregate I see only one legitimate conclusion, and thats that Trump is a racist.

 

[HomerLovesKoolAid]

Trump is a fucking idiot. It's hard to wade through that and find any preferences.