Politics So he's not racist huh??

[dviss1]

I don't think he's a good guy. I also think he grew up being taught horrible things by a rich guy.

I also think the only reason he is President is that Hillary was the other choice.

Whatdya want me to do about it?

This new thing isn't anything new. To me your thread would be like a new Harvey Weinstein accuser came forward and said he did the same thing the others said.

Then someone started a thread titled..

So...Harvey Weinstein isn't a perv huh?

That rich guy was his father. And there were other choices for president.

 

[MarAzul]

I also think the only reason he is President is that Hillary was the other choice.

And there were other choices for president.

Other choices. Yes and Trump beat them all.

Hillary wasn't the other choice. 19 or 20 other came in less than 1st.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

That rich guy was his father. And there were other choices for president.

I think I probably knew that rich guy was his dad. Strange reference otherwise.

There weren't other choices that could win at the time.

 

[dviss1]

I think I probably knew that rich guy was his dad. Strange reference otherwise.

There weren't other choices that could win at the time.

I wasn't and am not ever voting for the lesser of 2 evils. The Democrats have to earn my vote. I voted for a woman who wasn't Hillary.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Why'd you quote me in your response to him? I thought your response was to me, and I was so confused for a moment. This was gonna turn bad.

Yeah, I thought the same thing but figured it was just an error. My phone saves drafts of posts. Then I'll decide to be nice and not post something.

Then I'll reply to something else and not realize the other post is with it.

Then I'll try to delete the other part before someone sees it. Haha

I've done that. I'm sure we all have.

Nope intended to add it because you said you were sure Nate has said some incorrect stuff too, so I included that.

You think that just because he came to your house, he doesn’t hate you for being white?

That’s silly.

You’re the cause of his problems.

Okay so why would he bring his son to socialize with Whitey then?
GTF out.. your posts are as ignorant as they come....

 

[barfo]

Haha.. Where'd you get this quote? It doesn't apply to what were talking about nor does it make much sense.

Some random webpage. I think it does apply and it does make sense.

This isn't a discussion whether people were hurt or not.

What's the point of talking about racism in the first place? Why is racism bad? Is racism bad mainly because it has a negative effect on the racist himself (maybe he won't get through the pearly gates?) or is racism bad because it has an effect on people other than the racist?

This is a discussion as to whether this comment is an example of Donald Trump being racist.

Right, I was addressing that. Your position seems to be that whether the comment was racist depends on what's in his heart/mind at the time. I'm suggesting that it's the result, not the intent, that actually matters.

Theres a difference between racial insensitivity and racism. This thread is using a situation of racial insensitivity to claim racism.

Is the important thing about racism what the racist thinks? Or the effects of what the racist person says or does?

If I drive over a bunch of people on the sidewalk, are they more dead if I did it out of anger (I am a pedestrianist) or if I did it because I'm blind as a bat (I am pedestrian insensitive)?

Someone can definitely appear as intolerant when their being racially insensitive, and it's a justifiable opinion. However, it's hard to tell if words from someone's mouth are coming from a place of ignorance (racial insensitivity) or intolerance (racism).

I suppose. Why do you think that's an important distinction to make, though?

If I think totally racist thoughts all the time but never speak or act upon them, am I a bigger problem than a person who says and does racist shit all the time but only by accident?

It seems like the only reason to draw a distinction between racism and racial insensitivity is to provide an excuse for the racist behavior.

barfo

 

[Nate]

Nope intended to add it because you said you were sure Nate has said some incorrect stuff too, so I included that.




Okay so why would he bring his son to socialize with Whitey then?
GTF out.. your posts are as ignorant as they come....

He was teaching his son about white devils.

Figure it out.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Some random webpage. I think it does apply and it does make sense.



What's the point of talking about racism in the first place? Why is racism bad? Is racism bad mainly because it has a negative effect on the racist himself (maybe he won't get through the pearly gates?) or is racism bad because it has an effect on people other than the racist?



Right, I was addressing that. Your position seems to be that whether the comment was racist depends on what's in his heart/mind at the time. I'm suggesting that it's the result, not the intent, that actually matters.



Is the important thing about racism what the racist thinks? Or the effects of what the racist person says or does?

If I drive over a bunch of people on the sidewalk, are they more dead if I did it out of anger (I am a pedestrianist) or if I did it because I'm blind as a bat (I am pedestrian insensitive)?



I suppose. Why do you think that's an important distinction to make, though?

If I think totally racist thoughts all the time but never speak or act upon them, am I a bigger problem than a person who says and does racist shit all the time but only by accident?

It seems like the only reason to draw a distinction between racism and racial insensitivity is to provide an excuse for the racist behavior.

barfo

The reason to draw lines is because I'll say something to my Columbian buddy that I probably shouldn't say to someone I don't know in anger.

He's under 5 feet tall and he gets "boss, da plane, da plane" jokes.

 

[rasheedfan2005]

He was teaching his son about white devils.

Figure it out.

 

[barfo]

The reason to draw lines is because I'll say something to my Columbian buddy that I probably shouldn't say to someone I don't know in anger.

He's under 5 feet tall and he gets "boss, da plane, da plane" jokes.

Well, of course there should be lines. But the lines shouldn't be based on something completely unknowable/unprovable. If 'I didn't mean it that way' is a valid excuse, then every racist statement or action is excusable.

barfo

 

[BrianFromWA]

Mostly going back pre-Trump, there are four frequent posters whom I fully and totally believe are racist. One is not a Trump supporter usually but the other three are. Just because people post here doesn’t mean they are angles. I think there are many posters here who frequently support Trump, like @BrianFromWA who I believe is very fair, smart and has never given me any reason to think he is racist. Then there are many posters like @bodyman5000 and 1 or @PtldPlatypus who don’t support Trump but does take an individual look at each topic and often a particular view may coincide with Trumps, or @dviss1 or a totally unique take.

Point is, there are many on this board who are not racist, but there certainly are several who sure as fuck are, and to deny that or overlook that is damaging.

I am purposely not naming the 4 who I believe wholeheartedly are racist because that would not do any good.

I also believe there is a huge swath of posters who aren’t racist.

Man, if I've given the impression that I'm a "frequent Trump supporter", I wholeheartedly apologize. Don't mistake not saying anything publicly denigrating about my C-in-C for support. But thanks for not thinking I'm a racist.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Well, of course there should be lines. But the lines shouldn't be based on something completely unknowable/unprovable. If 'I didn't mean it that way' is a valid excuse, then every racist statement or action is excusable.

barfo

I didn't mean it that way seems like a perfectly valid excuse....once.

 

[barfo]

I didn't mean it that way seems like a perfectly valid excuse....once.

Agreed, everybody should be given the benefit of the doubt at first.

Sadly, this is far from the first, nor was it the last.

barfo

 

[Further]

Man, if I've given the impression that I'm a "frequent Trump supporter", I wholeheartedly apologize. Don't mistake not saying anything publicly denigrating about my C-in-C for support. But thanks for not thinking I'm a racist.

My apologies, I was looking for a clear cut example of a supporter whom I fully believed to not be racist. I’m sure there are others. No offense intended if any was taken.

 

[julius]

Those videos he's been posting lately have been really telling. like, that migrant Muslim beating up a Dutch crippled kid.

Boy, I'm so glad our president is forwarding those racist conspiracy tweets.

 

[BrianFromWA]

My apologies, I was looking for a clear cut example of a supporter whom I fully believed to not be racist. I’m sure there are others. No offense intended if any was taken.

Are you saying "you didn't mean it that way?"

 

[Further]

Are you saying "you didn't mean it that way?"

I’m saying you ARE racist!!!

Kidding of course, I’m saying I did not mean to put you in the ‘trump supporter’ category if you don’t believe you fit that bill

 

[MarAzul]

Mostly going back pre-Trump, there are four frequent posters whom I fully and totally believe are racist. One is not a Trump supporter usually but the other three are. Just because people post here doesn’t mean they are angles. I think there are many posters here who frequently support Trump, like @BrianFromWA who I believe is very fair, smart and has never given me any reason to think he is racist. Then there are many posters like @bodyman5000 and 1 or @PtldPlatypus who don’t support Trump but does take an individual look at each topic and often a particular view may coincide with Trumps, or @dviss1 or a totally unique take.

Point is, there are many on this board who are not racist, but there certainly are several who sure as fuck are, and to deny that or overlook that is damaging.

I am purposely not naming the 4 who I believe wholeheartedly are racist because that would not do any good.

I also believe there is a huge swath of posters who aren’t racist.

I gather you are saying Trump supporters are racist.

Well I support Trump, without remorse.
Dviss calls me racist too many times to count.

So what is your point? Or do you guys just like to air your opinions?

You haven't made a logical connection and dviss can't even define racist, so come with your point.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

I gather you are saying Trump supporters are racist.

Well I support Trump, without remorse.
Dviss calls me racist too many times to count.

So what is your point? Or do you guys just like to air your opinions?

You haven't made a logical connection and dviss can't even define racist, so come with your point.

Racism is the new pornography. People know it when they see it.

 

[Further]

I gather you are saying Trump supporters are racist.

Well I support Trump, without remorse.
Dviss calls me racist too many times to count.

So what is your point? Or do you guys just like to air your opinions?

You haven't made a logical connection and dviss can't even define racist, so come with your point.

My point is that being a trump supporter does Not make one racist, although my belief is that there is a significantly greater chance.

My other assertion is that posting here doesn’t necessitate sparkling character.

 

[BonesJones]

Because there is no other side. There literally isn't. There's acknowledging the racism or defending it. Sorry, not sorry.

I've never had faith that Drumpf could ever be a good human being. He proves me right daily. Those of you who continuously give him rope are hanging yourselves with it.

I'm defending racism? Lol. I never give him rope. You're generalizing. You have a bad habit of that. It's impossible to have a dialogue.

 

[dviss1]

I'm defending racism? Lol. I never give him rope. You're generalizing. You have a bad habit of that. It's impossible to have a dialogue.

Sorry. It's absolute for me.

 

[BonesJones]

You must define racism differently. Please don't quote Merriam...

Funny how you just agree that he's a fucking bigot but then give him rope saying he didn't say anything racist. I guess The Redskins isn't racist either...

I view Racism as hateful or a deliberate pattern of action (i.e. systematic racism) against an ethnicity. I view racial insensitivity as something offensive to a group of people that the oppressor either doesn't realize or doesn't care. The "Redskins" is racially insensitive to me, as it's offensive to natives but the ownership group doesn't care or believes that it isn't. I don't believe the name comes from a place of hatred within the people who want to keep it. A lot of people classify both things under "racism", but I differentiate the two. That's not to justify either, as both are just as bad as their oppressive and hurtful. A lot of time, it's hard to differentiate the two. If you understood this you'd understand my point of view on this whole topic.

 

[dviss1]

I view Racism as hateful or a deliberate pattern of action (i.e. systematic racism) against an ethnicity. I view racial insensitivity as something offensive to a group of people that the oppressor either doesn't realize or doesn't care. The "Redskins" is racially insensitive to me, as it's offensive to natives but the ownership group doesn't care or believes that it isn't. I don't believe the name comes from a place of hatred within the people who want to keep it. A lot of people classify both things under "racism", but I differentiate the two. That's not to justify either, as both are just as bad as their oppressive and hurtful. A lot of time, it's hard to differentiate the two. If you understood this you'd understand my point of view on this whole topic.

That's your view. My view is that even stereotyping is akin to racism. Calling me Jerome or Tyrone is fucking racist.

 

[BonesJones]

Sorry. It's absolute for me.

I mean, you've said some things that could easily be considered racist but I continue to believe that it's simply racially insensitive... Maybe I should just assume it's racist.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

I'm defending racism? Lol. I never give him rope. You're generalizing. You have a bad habit of that. It's impossible to have a dialogue.

It's some black mirror level shit. It isn't enough to say "yeah, he shouldn't say that" or agree not to say it because someone finds it offensive.

You have to say you agree with why you can't say it.

And you have to be firm that anyone who disagrees that it is offensive is a piece of shit. Even if that person never says it.

You're literally wrong for having a different opinion. A different opinion is unacceptable.

 

[BonesJones]

That's your view. My view is that even stereotyping is akin to racism. Calling me Jerome or Tyrone is fucking racist.

The context of whether it's mocking someone's perceived lies about their heritage compared to the context of mocking an ethnicity is the difference to me. That doesn't mean I'm justifying racism...

 

[BonesJones]

It's some black mirror level shit. It isn't enough to say "yeah, he shouldn't say that" or agree not to say it because someone finds it offensive.

You have to say you agree with why you can't say it.

And you have to be firm that anyone who disagrees that it is offensive is a piece of shit. Even if that person never says it.

You're literally wrong for having a different opinion. A different opinion is unacceptable.

A: "It's wrong in this context."

B: "Well I think it's wrong in a different form of context"

A: "You're defending it!!!"

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

A: "It's wrong in this context."

B: "Well I think it's wrong in a different form of context"

A: "You're defending it!!!"

I'm always defending Trump apparently. I wish he'd hire me to straighten this out.

I'll be his new press secretary.

Back to the point....I just need to add a fuck Trump to every post I make and see if that changes the response I get.

 

[BonesJones]

I'm always defending Trump apparently. I wish he'd hire me to straighten this out.

I'll be his new press secretary.

Back to the point....I just need to add a fuck Trump to every post I make and see if that changes the response I get.

I'm a liberal, but apparently I always defend Trump as well, even though I never have. I'm starting to become less biased, and more enlightened.

*Edit:* FUCK TRUMP. Hopefully that's seen. I was thinking about increasing the font size and changing the color but I didn't know where the line was between visibility and annoyance.