So NOW do you understand what I'm talking about??? We are a better team this year.

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KingAlbertoJrSpeed said:
And by the way, hard work IS a talent
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I disagree with that also. I work very very hard at what i do but there comes along a guy that is just very very talented and he simply does things better easier. True talent is something that is god given. The very best are the ultra talented that work hard also.
However...The part i do agree with is that there is a type of person that prevails no matter what. So being a hard worker can be though of as a talent. Maybe i don't disagree completely?
 
BlazerCaravan said:
This confuses me; results speak for themselves in most cases. Can you elaborate?
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The results while nice are speaking for themselves. The two teams are very different. Would anyone have been happy last year if they were 29-27? Not on your fucking life! They would have been screaming for changes. Wes goes down and Aldridge essentially made his decision it was over. Wes doesn't go down and they bring in a quality backup in Afflalo (who by the way gets a very bad rap) for 10-12 mins a game and that team gives any team out there a big run. They would have been the favorites to get into the Conference finals no question. Talking about that team dying down the stretch is short sighted at best.
 
On the whole, our offense has been comparable to last year's, the biggest difference being that we're shooting 2.5 more FT/g. However defensively, we're also committing 3.7 more fouls/g, allowing 5.4 more FT/g than last year, as well as allowing 4.5 more 3PA/g, at a significantly higher rate (33.8% last year, 36.3% this year). Of course those are the full year numbers; the numbers since Christmas are much better.

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PtldPlatypus said:
On the whole, our offense has been comparable to last year's, the biggest difference being that we're shooting 2.5 more FT/g. However defensively, we're also committing 3.7 more fouls/g, allowing 5.4 more FT/g than last year, as well as allowing 4.5 more 3PA/g, at a significantly higher rate (33.8% last year, 36.3% this year). Of course those are the full year numbers; the numbers since Christmas are much better.

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Wow, it's actually crazy how close some of those numbers actually are. This years team has room to grow as well. It will be interesting to look at these numbers not only after the end of this season, but at the end of next as well.
 
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PtldPlatypus said:
On the whole, our offense has been comparable to last year's, the biggest difference being that we're shooting 2.5 more FT/g. However defensively, we're also committing 3.7 more fouls/g, allowing 5.4 more FT/g than last year, as well as allowing 4.5 more 3PA/g, at a significantly higher rate (33.8% last year, 36.3% this year). Of course those are the full year numbers; the numbers since Christmas are much better.

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How much of the free throws is intentional fouls? Davis and Plumlee get hacked a lot and we do more hacking to opponents. Just looking at total stats such as # of free throw attempts can be misleading.

It is interesting how many of those stats are similar though. I wonder how this year compares to 2013-14 when we had our starting 5 healthy nearly the entire year?
 
Draco said:
How much of the free throws is intentional fouls? Davis and Plumlee get hacked a lot and we do more hacking to opponents. Just looking at total stats such as # of free throw attempts can be misleading.

It is interesting how many of those stats are similar though. I wonder how this year compared to 2013-14 when we had our starting 5 healthy most the year?
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Good question. The stats certainly show that both ours and our opponents' free throw percentages are lower this year than last--particularly ours, down from almost 80% to under 73%.
 
kjironman1 said:
Still just don't see it. The last few wins are nice but they still lack the talent. Hard work is very fun to watch and will win games. On that you are correct.
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The only downgrade in talent this year is the loss of our all star PF. Granted that is a big loss. But I think that loss is mitigated by the different style of play we now have because he is gone. And I would argue we have more talent at pf defensively on the perimeter when we go small with Harkless or Aminu

Do we really have less talent at SG with an improved CJ and Crabbe and Henderson? Do we have less talent at SF considering how poorly Nic shot last year? Plumlee and Davis have at least as much talent as Rolo.

Then there is PG........Dame is not the same Dame as he was last year. He is a better. Especially defensively.

So I guess my question is do we really have less talent than last year? You argue that playing hard does not equate to talent. If that is true, then what does that say about Wes? He was a talented 3 pt shooter, but all his other intangibles were from hard work.
 
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Lack talent? Bullshit.

Do we lack talent because we don't have a 2nd or 3rd "star" as determined by the NBA media machine? People buy into the star concept because the NBA has made that a major marketing tool, and awards these players with preferential treatment from their corrupt corps of referees. That's the only benefit. It can't change the fact that team basketball is still a superior product, it's what we do, and the players we have are NBA players or they wouldn't be here.

Lillard is a "star" but without his team-first approach and great head on his shoulders he's just another talented, entitled, NBA douchebag. I'll take the talent level on this team, and enjoy watching it develop, and enjoy watching some of our resident basketball experts continue to eat crow because they bought the load of shit that the NBA feeds us.
 
HomerLovesKoolAid said:
Homer's in a bad mood because I ran out of milk for my coffee. Don't mess with me.
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That's a bitter pill to swallow...my condolences Homer...I hope the coffee was at least hot....reminds me of classic novels...the coffee was bitter, cold and hit my gut like crank case oil! On the other hand, I think they made some more milk today somewhere...you could probably forage out from the basement and find some..(as I sip my espresso with hot foam and cinamon
 
riverman said:
That's a bitter pill to swallow...my condolences Homer...I hope the coffee was at least hot....reminds me of classic novels...the coffee was bitter, cold and hit my gut like crank case oil! On the other hand, I think they made some more milk today somewhere...you could probably forage out from the basement and find some..(as I sip my espresso with hot foam and cinamon
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Not realistic, it takes too much effort. Is bourbon a reasonable substitute?
 
Point still remains...If last years team were sitting at 29-27 you all would be screaming for a new coach or giant changes. Olshey would be looking a the quickest way out of town.
 
kjironman1 said:
Point still remains...If last years team were sitting at 29-27 you all would be screaming for a new coach or giant changes. Olshey would be looking a the quickest way out of town.
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Last year's team didn't need 30 games to figure out who they were or how to play well together. You wanna look at this season as a whole, that's up to you, but you're ignoring the vast difference between who they were and how they played before Christmas, and what this team has shown you since.

18-7 over a 2 month span, soon to be 20-7. That's a large enough sample size to be significant.
 
kjironman1 said:
Point still remains...If last years team were sitting at 29-27 you all would be screaming for a new coach or giant changes. Olshey would be looking a the quickest way out of town.
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What does this have to do with anything? Seriously, what's the fucking point here? That you have no idea what the concept of "context" is? Well you've proven that!
 
It amazes me that we are shooting 3s at pretty much the same clip and volume as last year.
 
kjironman1 said:
Point still remains...If last years team were sitting at 29-27 you all would be screaming for a new coach or giant changes. Olshey would be looking a the quickest way out of town.
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Yeah but weren't many saying that last year about Stotts towards the end of the season anyways? I get your point though, we were not expected to win this year because of the perceived lack of talent on the team. So we are more content with our record. But i think we should throw out the records and just compare the two teams right now.

There are a lot of games left. I worry about the Houston game, especially if they lose to Utah tonight. The sense of urgency for them on thursday will be off the charts. And if we lose right before the brutal road trip....it could be a rough stretch. But right now I like the way we are playing more than last year because we seem to be getting more easy baskets. Last year the offense was so predictable, and we always struggled against pressure.
 
HomerLovesKoolAid said:
Homer's in a bad mood because I ran out of milk for my coffee. Don't mess with me.
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Last year we were really lucky to have 3 guys in double digit scoring period and Lamarcus took a ridiculous amount of shots leaving 3pt scraps for Wes, Nic and Dame.....this season look at the game stats and we're filling in the boxes like a crossword puzzle
 
riverman said:
That's a bitter pill to swallow...my condolences Homer...I hope the coffee was at least hot....reminds me of classic novels...the coffee was bitter, cold and hit my gut like crank case oil! On the other hand, I think they made some more milk today somewhere...you could probably forage out from the basement and find some..(as I sip my espresso with hot foam and cinamon
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As I first read this, I was actually in the process of drinking tepid black coffee from my mug. What am I doing with my life?
 
HomerLovesKoolAid said:
Lack talent? Bullshit.

Do we lack talent because we don't have a 2nd or 3rd "star" as determined by the NBA media machine? People buy into the star concept because the NBA has made that a major marketing tool, and awards these players with preferential treatment from their corrupt corps of referees. That's the only benefit. It can't change the fact that team basketball is still a superior product, it's what we do, and the players we have are NBA players or they wouldn't be here.

Lillard is a "star" but without his team-first approach and great head on his shoulders he's just another talented, entitled, NBA douchebag. I'll take the talent level on this team, and enjoy watching it develop, and enjoy watching some of our resident basketball experts continue to eat crow because they bought the load of shit that the NBA feeds us.
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This would make one really long signature for me... I'm tempted. THIS IS ALL SO TRUE!!!!

Homer, next time we have a meetup, your 1st beer is on me.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Last year's team didn't need 30 games to figure out who they were or how to play well together. You wanna look at this season as a whole, that's up to you, but you're ignoring the vast difference between who they were and how they played before Christmas, and what this team has shown you since.

18-7 over a 2 month span, soon to be 20-7. That's a large enough sample size to be significant.
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You also have very long home stands involved here. The last two months have been home cookin like rarely seen. My original statement was that i am still not convinced they are even going to make the playoffs. Also that they are a different team than the team they had last year. I also don't think they are actually better yet. Can they become better. You bet they can! But picking certain parts of a schedule to make a point doesn't work. This team has a tough next couple months. Lets see how it all works out?
 
kjironman1 said:
You also have very long home stands involved here. The last two months have been home cookin like rarely seen. My original statement was that i am still not convinced they are even going to make the playoffs. Also that they are a different team than the team they had last year. I also don't think they are actually better yet. Can they become better. You bet they can! But picking certain parts of a schedule to make a point doesn't work. This team has a tough next couple months. Lets see how it all works out?
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See, I see your point. I really do. But I don't think beating GS by 32 was because of being at home, and I don't believe Maurice Harkless getting 9 of his 17 points in crunch time in a tough gut-it-out win against Utah was because of being at home. That, I believe, was the manifestation of a season-long work ethic.

To me, it goes beyond just being at home.
 
Strenuus said:
See, I see your point. I really do. But I don't think beating GS by 32 was because of being at home, and I don't believe Maurice Harkless getting 9 of his 17 points in crunch time in a tough gut-it-out win against Utah was because of being at home. That, I believe, was the manifestation of a season-long work ethic.

To me, it goes beyond just being at home.
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And i absolutely see yours also. I also believe they are playing much much better. Lets all hope this trend continues. Next up Brooklyn!
Defense is the key and this team plays it.....
 
I agree it goes beyond just being at home....they are playing better. However, they had a very easy schedule early and didn't do well in that. Now that they are better, how will they handle a tougher schedule with a TON of road games against quality opponents in March? If they do make the Playoffs, they will have done it the hard way and certainly earned it.

A long way from the 1/2 a game from the #4 Lottery spot earlier in the season. It's been quite a ride and very enjoyable for fans.
 
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