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In fact, I have one of the valuable Twinkies in my house and will auction it off. Anyway, my article above says the causes were fourfold.



This is their 3rd bankruptcy.



I think they had to do it for the 4 reasons, so they timed it for when the labor contract was up, to make the union the scapegoat to shareholders, instead of management.

In my opinion, management is always to blame for the failure of a company. They're the one that makes the decision to sign a labor agreement in the first place. If you can't afford the union agreement, don't sign it.
 
If International Bakeries changed its name to Hostess, which company wolfed down the original Hostess company?
 
Usually, Intl. Bakeries would have been the holding company. They just took the name of their best subsidiary, Hostess. ...I'm guessing, don't hold me to it.
 
In my opinion, management is always to blame for the failure of a company. They're the one that makes the decision to sign a labor agreement in the first place. If you can't afford the union agreement, don't sign it.

As a counterpoint, if management doen't give in, the union will strike. That, in and of itself (as we have seen here) can cripple a business.
 
As a counterpoint, if management doen't give in, the union will strike. That, in and of itself (as we have seen here) can cripple a business.

Then you need to let them strike. You simply rebuild your business in a right to work state. Management didn't want a fight and they misjudged their competitive advantage as well as their cost structure.
 
^^Hello, Boeing building at least one 787 plant in North Charleston, SC and considering building another one and moving a 737 line there...
 
yall come up here with your snowballs and twinkies...wait what are we talking about again?

executive money grab, but at the end of the day, who cares what parent company twinkies are under, they will live on, forever most likely
 
I've just stocked up on Twinkies to supplement my cache of goodies in my bomb shelter.
 
I've just stocked up on Twinkies to supplement my cache of goodies in my bomb shelter.

id suggest guns and penicillin, you can always just trade sex for twinkies
 
cuz "amoxicilin's just not real enough"
 
The idea that a person with a college degree is somehoe entitiled to better wages than someone who has worked at a company for a long time and given their life blood to that company is why unions should be in place.
 
The idea that a person with a college degree is somehoe entitiled to better wages than someone who has worked at a company for a long time and given their life blood to that company is why unions should be in place.

education comes in handy sometimes, i mean without college degrees who is gonna do open mic on slam poetry night down at the wheat grass juice bar?
 
what is so shocking about this? Hell, if I thought that I was going to have to BK a company, future income in doubt, I would arange to pull as much money out as fast as I could.

if you were the ceo of a failing company, you would give yourself a bigger bonus?

what a guy
 
if you were the ceo of a failing company, you would give yourself a bigger bonus?

what a guy

If I was going to close the door, I would get what I could, If it is "my" company that is going away, I have that right
 
right, if you ran a company into the ground as a ceo, you would give yourself a large bonus

good stuff
 
consider, if I had ran it into the ground, there ywould be nothing..If I had to close due conditions beyond my control..yeah I would give myself a paraschute.
If itis aprivate company, its mine one way or the other
If it has a board, they would have to agree to it, if they did, I earned it
 
consider, if I had ran it into the ground, there ywould be nothing..If I had to close due conditions beyond my control..yeah I would give myself a paraschute.
If itis aprivate company, its mine one way or the other
If it has a board, they would have to agree to it, if they did, I earned it

wow drunk much? lol

many of the executives got large bonuses, and by god yes, they certainly earned them no? what a great job they did
 
wow drunk much? lol

many of the executives got large bonuses, and by god yes, they certainly earned them no? what a great job they did

severance pay

and I guess the board of dirrectors agrees with you..they recieved it
 
:lol:

because something happens, does that make it right? man you are so brainwashed by the media
 
The idea that a person with a college degree is somehoe entitiled to better wages than someone who has worked at a company for a long time and given their life blood to that company is why unions should be in place.

Where the hell did this comment come from? I say if someone wants to join a union at a private company, good for them. However, they need to realize that it's not riskless. It's possible to push a company too far.
 
Where the hell did this comment come from? I say if someone wants to join a union at a private company, good for them. However, they need to realize that it's not riskless. It's possible to push a company too far.

The comment came from the tone of some of the comments. Looking back, it was more Nate's comments at the beginning and some comments after that. Nothing to do with your comments.

(Nate: no big deal other than I think it is wrong to think some person working a factory job doesn't deserve a good salary or one that is more than someone with a college degree.)
 

I think there is a perception out there that if you don't have a degree, that you are not as valuable and your salary should be capped. And businesses can take advantage of these worker by not compensating them properly because they lack a degree (or many other reasons). These are people, many, who have devoted their life to the company and helped them succeed as much as the guys in the coat and tie.

Without a union, individually, it is a small voice that can easily be replaced and the individual can't really afford to start all over. But united, the blue collar workers can be heard and compensated for everything they have given to the company over a lifetime of work.

With regard to Hostess:I think what happened sucks and everybody losses . . . but was inevitable.
 
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I think there is a perception out there that if you don't have a degree, that you are not as valuable and your salary should be capped. And businesses can take advantage of these worker by not compensating them properly because they lack a degree (or many other reasons). These are people, many, who have devoted their life to the company and helped them succeed as much as the guys in the coat and tie.

Without a union, individually, it is a small voice that can easily be replaced and the individual can't really afford to start all over. But united, the blue collar workers can be heard and compensated for everything they have given to the company over a lifetime of work.

With regard to Hostess:I think what happened sucks and everybody losses . . . but was inevitable.

The market decides what your pay is. If you don't possess a skill that is in demand you won't be compensated handsomely. Unless you're in a union I guess.
 
Twinkies are not done yet.

WHITE PLAINS, N.Y. (AP) -- Twinkies won't die that easily after all.
Hostess Brands Inc. and its second largest union will go into mediation to try and resolve their differences, meaning the company won't go out of business just yet. The news came Monday after Hostess moved to liquidate and sell off its assets in bankruptcy court citing a crippling strike last week.

The bankruptcy judge hearing the case said Monday that the parties haven't gone through the critical step of mediation and asked the lawyer for the Bakery, Confectionery, Tobacco Workers and Grain Millers International Union, which has been on strike since Nov. 9, to ask his client, who wasn't present, if the union would agree to participate. The judge noted that the bakery union, which represents about 30 percent of Hostess workers, went on strike after rejecting the company's latest contract offer, even though it never filed an objection to it.
"Many people, myself included, have serious questions as to the logic behind this strike," said Judge Robert Drain, who heard the case in the U.S. Bankruptcy Court in the Southern District of New York in White Plains, N.Y. "Not to have gone through that step leaves a huge question mark in this case."
Hostess and the union agreed to mediation talks, which are expected to begin the process on Tuesday.

In an interview after the hearing on Monday, CEO Gregory Rayburn said that the two parties will have to agree to contract terms within 24 hours of the Tuesday since it is costing $1 million a day in overhead costs to wind down operations. But even if a contract agreement is reached, it is not clear if all 33 Hostess plants will go back to being operational.

"We didn't think we had a runway, but the judge just created a 24-hour runway," for the two parties to come to an agreement, Rayburn said.
Hostess, weighed down by debt, management turmoil, rising labor costs and the changing tastes of America, decided on Friday that it no longer could make it through a conventional Chapter 11 bankruptcy restructuring. Instead, the company, which is based in Irving, Texas, asked the court for permission to sell assets and go out of business.

It's not the sequence of events that the maker of Twinkies, Ding Dongs and Ho Ho's envisioned when it filed for bankruptcy in January, its second Chapter 11 filing in less than a decade. The company, who said that it was saddled with costs related to its unionized workforce, had hoped to emerge with stronger financials. It brought on Rayburn as a restructuring expert and was working to renegotiate its contract with labor unions.

But Rayburn wasn't able to reach a deal with the bakery union. The company, which had been contributing $100 million a year in pension costs for workers, offered workers a new contract that would've slashed that to $25 million a year, in addition to wage cuts and a 17 percent reduction in health benefits. But the bakery union decided to strike.

By that time, the company had reached a contract agreement with its largest union, the International Brotherhood of Teamsters, which urged the bakery union to hold a secret ballot on whether to continue striking. Although many bakery workers decided to cross picket lines this week, Hostess said it wasn't enough to keep operations at normal levels.

Rayburn said that Hostess was already operating on razor thin margins and that the strike was the final blow. The company's announcement on Friday that it would move to liquidate prompted people across the country to rush to stores and stock up on their favorite Hostess treats. Many businesses reported selling out of Twinkies within hours and the spongy yellow cakes turned up for sale online for hundreds of dollars.

Even if Hostess goes out of business, its popular brands will likely find a second life after being snapped up by buyers. The company says several potential buyers have expressed interest in the brands. Although Hostess' sales have been declining in recent years, the company still does about $2.5 billion in business each year. Twinkies along brought in $68 million so far this year.

Source: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/judge-asks-hostess-mediate-union-203749038.html
 

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