So uh, is anyone following what's going on in St. Louis?

[BlazerCaravan]

Hey anyone want to get shot in my neighborhood I could use a new tv.

stlouis.craigslist.com

 

[Further]

Shocking. One group finds out their martyr got shot half a dozen times, and the other side looks and acts like central power stormtroopers.

Yes, we can both agree on the stormtroopers, but the other side, or at least a few bad apples shot other people and threw Molotov cocktails.

I totally understand the outrage on many levels from the killing of an unarmed teenager to releasing video footage of him stealing cigars at the presser where they were to release the policeman's name who shot the kid, to violent provoking by the police, to being militarized to the point of invasion. 95% of the bad acts in this fiasco fall on the police, but that doesn't mean that, especially last night, the protesters shouldn't also be condemned for their bad actions too.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Yes, we can both agree on the stormtroopers, but the other side, or at least a few bad apples shot other people and threw Molotov cocktails.

I totally understand the outrage on many levels from the killing of an unarmed teenager to releasing video footage of him stealing cigars at the presser where they were to release the policeman's name who shot the kid, to violent provoking by the police, to being militarized to the point of invasion. 95% of the bad acts in this fiasco fall on the police, but that doesn't mean that, especially last night, the protesters shouldn't also be condemned for their bad actions too.

When I went to bed at midnight, the info was that there were no gunshots from the crowd and that the molotovs weren't lit. Sounds like I was operating under old info.

 

[cmeese47]

stlouis.craigslist.com

I looked its just a bunch of people selling their old ones must be making room for something

 

[MarAzul]

Yes, we can both agree on the stormtroopers, but the other side, or at least a few bad apples shot other people and threw Molotov cocktails.

I totally understand the outrage on many levels from the killing of an unarmed teenager to releasing video footage of him stealing cigars at the presser where they were to release the policeman's name who shot the kid, to violent provoking by the police, to being militarized to the point of invasion. 95% of the bad acts in this fiasco fall on the police, but that doesn't mean that, especially last night, the protesters shouldn't also be condemned for their bad actions too.

95% of the bad acts fall on the police???

Dang, I don't know how anyone can come to that opinion??

Nor do I understand why anyone can think the police should turn over the name of a Cop
to a lynch mob. Mind boggling.

The police didn't burn any property, they didn't call out the lynch mob. they didn't call in Al Sharpton to bang the drums.

We don't know what the hell this kid did at the trigger moment, but we do know he was not running away like the "witnesses" have said, the bullet hole in his front side hide don't support the report. We do have evidence that the "witness" might be more accurately described as an accomplices.

I wonder what would happen to the Cop, if the police did turn him over to this band of concerned citizens one of these evenings? Would they hand him back and be satisfied, go home? ummm, perhaps they would want another in short order.

 

[Further]

95% of the bad acts fall on the police???

Dang, I don't know how anyone can come to that opinion??

95% might be hyperbole! but yes! I believe the VAST majority of bad acts are by the police, at least before last night.

Nor do I understand why anyone can think the police should turn over the name of a Cop
to a lynch mob. Mind boggling.

The police called the presser to release the name. Most likely because of a freedom of information act filing. In other words, the law compelled them to.

The police didn't burn any property, they didn't call out the lynch mob. they didn't call in Al Sharpton to bang the drums.

They killed a teenager, arrested members of the press, kicked protesters, shot tear gas into crowds without proper warning. They showed up militarized in vehicles meant for Fallujah, they wore camo and carried full tactical gear and weapons where they were supposed to be promoting peace and letting protesters speak their minds, they aimed en mass their rifles directly at innocent protesters (something any of our troops know is not appropriate), they cursed and told protesters they would kill them or beat the fuck out of them. All of these protestors I am referring to are protesters, not looters, people with signs and using their constitutional rights.

We don't know what the hell this kid did at the trigger moment, but we do know he was not running away like the "witnesses" have said, the bullet hole in his front side hide don't support the report. We do have evidence that the "witness" might be more accurately described as an accomplices.

We do know that he was unarmed, even according to the police.

I wonder what would happen to the Cop, if the police did turn him over to this band of concerned citizens one of these evenings? Would they hand him back and be satisfied, go home? ummm, perhaps they would want another in short order.

The cops name was provided. As far as I know, he is fine. I'm sure he is elsewhere, which is smart as there might be some who would want to hurt him. But that doesn't mean he is above the law.

 

[donkiez]

If you supported the Bundy Ranch but not the people in Ferguson then you what exactly is it that you really stand for?

 

[BlazerCaravan]

If you supported the Bundy Ranch but not the people in Ferguson then you what exactly is it that you really stand for?

I think the only non-hypocritical answer left is "Rich white people."

 

[MarAzul]

95% might be hyperbole! but yes! I believe the VAST majority of bad acts are by the police, at least before last night.



They killed a teenager, arrested members of the press, kicked protesters, shot tear gas into crowds without proper warning. They showed up militarized in vehicles meant for Fallujah, they wore camo and carried full tactical gear and weapons where they were supposed to be promoting peace and letting protesters speak their minds, they aimed en mass their rifles directly at innocent protesters (something any of our troops know is not appropriate), they cursed and told protesters they would kill them or beat the fuck out of them. All of these protestors I am referring to are protesters, not looters, people with signs and using their constitutional rights.

Perhaps this fellow's constitutional right need to be deferred, at least until he and his partners are subdued.

You know, a 290 pound kid is not unarmed, check him out treating the Korean store owner to his timidity. I think you will see the reason man invented the .38 and more to the point of why the cops carry one.


If the people of this town have a beef then recall the Mayor and fire the police chief, get it running like you want. Holy Cow!, I can't every get over this shit of burning down the friggin town!!! That is the most stupid reaction a man could come up with, but damned if a few neighborhood in America don't do it, over and over again.

 

[Further]

Perhaps this fellow's constitutional right need to be deferred, at least until he and his partners are subdued.

You know, a 290 pound kid is not unarmed, check him out treating the Korean store owner to his timidity. I think you will see the reason man invented the .38 and more to the point of why the cops carry one.


If the people of this town have a beef then recall the Mayor and fire the police chief, get it running like you want. Holy Cow!, I can't every get over this shit of burning down the friggin town!!! That is the most stupid reaction a man could come up with, but damned if a few neighborhood in America don't do it, over and over again.

First off, the kid may deserve to be in jail, time will tell if the officer was truly fearing for his life for a valid cause, of someone who freaked out too easily and took a life over a relatively minor offense.

But considering the high rates of reported abuse cases, I'm not so sure the officers are trained correctly down there.

But then all the protesting is a different issue. And the looting is a third issue. Don't trample on protesters rights because of what dome looters did. And yes, they were discernible. Shots of tear gas going into crowds of people chanting with signs and walking together in the street are expressing their right to free speech.

Just cause the police spend their training hous on swat team and military man oeuvres doesn't mean they should employ those tactics. When all you have is a hammer, everything is a nail. Officers of the peace, they need to try and inspire peace, not ratchet up the situation and look at law abiding citizen and press as the enemy. A good officer need not worry what the press capture.

 

[MarAzul]

First off, the kid may deserve to be in jail, time will tell if the officer was truly fearing for his life for a valid cause, of someone who freaked out too easily and took a life over a relatively minor offense.

But considering the high rates of reported abuse cases, I'm not so sure the officers are trained correctly down there.

But then all the protesting is a different issue. And the looting is a third issue. Don't trample on protesters rights because of what dome looters did. And yes, they were discernible. Shots of tear gas going into crowds of people chanting with signs and walking together in the street are expressing their right to free speech.

Just cause the police spend their training hous on swat team and military man oeuvres doesn't mean they should employ those tactics. When all you have is a hammer, everything is a nail. Officers of the peace, they need to try and inspire peace, not ratchet up the situation and look at law abiding citizen and press as the enemy. A good officer need not worry what the press capture.

Perhaps you should volunteer to be a cop there for a couple days. Teach the techniques you talk. You know, walk the talk.

Yeah! That would be cool, you could teach the Nation how it is done, no weapons needed. You could get a Congressional Medal of wisdom.
Go for it!

 

[Further]

Perhaps you should volunteer to be a cop there for a couple days. Teach the techniques you talk. You know, walk the talk.

There are many police agencies around the nation that have worked on improving their techniques with great success. In portland during the 99% rallies I posted here how proud I was of our police, how well the responded and how much discipline they showed.

In Madison is where one of the first violent clashes occurred between Vietnam protestors and police. After a short period where the police kept smashing heads and breaking bones for fun, a new police chief came in who completely revamped their department and worked very hard on building trust both ways, between cops and civilians. The chief retired after about 20 years and that partnership between police and citizens is still in tact. There have been many protests over the years, but the working relationship between the police and people remain, and very little negative results cone from public demonstrations there. The Ferguson police department on the other hand has a very high rate of police violence complaints and documented incidents of people in charge saying things like "go bring some color to our jails" paraphrased.

I am not against police. I am against shitty violent police. These people must remain clean and above board. There has been a couple communities where all police are required to wear a camera at all times while on duty. The result is an 80% drop in reports of violence by the cops. Just goes to show that there is a ton of room for improvement.

 

[Mediocre Man]

I wish we could get an accurate eye witness report. The friend says one thing. an eye witness says another, and the police yet another

Certainly doesn't sound like there was any reason to shoot him 6 times though, but we probably all need more clarification on what happened before condemning anyone

 

[illmatic99]

Police involved in a shooting and killing of another person. Just got the update on my CNN alert thing.

smh

 

[MARIS61]

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/19/us/ferguson-darren-wilson-support/index.html

 

[magnifier661]

Police involved in a shooting and killing of another person. Just got the update on my CNN alert thing.

smh

First off, the autopsy report sure looks like Wilson was being rushed by Brown. And who knows if the other cop killing was another defense.

This is pretty embarrassing for the community and many that jumped to conclusions before the facts were out.

 

[magnifier661]

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/19/us/ferguson-darren-wilson-support/index.html

Exactly! And if you see the autopsy photos, it clearly explains how Brown did rush Wilson.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Exactly! And if you see the autopsy photos, it clearly explains how Brown did rush Wilson.

The autopsy didn't explain anything. It only shows where the wounds were and which one was fatal.

 

[Further]

This shooting may very well prove to be justified, but it also shined a bright light on a community that at least believes racism and police violence is a tremendous problem in their community. If something good can come from this whole thing it will be a reworking of the relationship between the residence (especially the black ones) of Ferguson and the police.

 

[magnifier661]

The autopsy didn't explain anything. It only shows where the wounds were and which one was fatal.

I disagree. When one fires, you tend to go upward. If a person is rushing you, the shots could start low, then draw upward. Also, have you paid attention to Brown's "attorney ambulance chasers"? They seem deflated after the release of autopsy photos. Then they tried back peddling and requesting their guys do the autopsy.

Whatever the case, it clearly isn't "Hands up don't shoot" slam dunk. The media should be embarrassed for their unbiased coverage of the series of events.

PS... The shot to the top of the head would be a stone cold assassination. I doubt no cop in their right mind would do something like that and think they can get away with it. Especially in broad daylight.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I disagree. When one fires, you tend to go upward. If a person is rushing you, the shots could start low, then draw upward. Also, have you paid attention to Brown's "attorney ambulance chasers"? They seem deflated after the release of autopsy photos. Then they tried back peddling and requesting their guys do the autopsy.

Whatever the case, it clearly isn't "Hands up don't shoot" slam dunk. The media should be embarrassed for their unbiased coverage of the series of events.

PS... The shot to the top of the head would be a stone cold assassination. I doubt no cop in their right mind would do something like that and think they can get away with it. Especially in broad daylight.

The autopsy is only to supply evidence and information. This new evidence discounts what some of the witnesses said in that Brown was shot in the back. It corroborates what other witnesses said. But even that isn't enough evidence to explain what happened.

Personally I think Brown was doing a hand stand when the officer shot him. That would explain why he was shot in the arm and how easily it would have been to miss the arm and shoot him in the head. If you're going to explain what happened based only on the autopsy my explanation makes the most sense.

 

[magnifier661]

The autopsy is only to supply evidence and information. This new evidence discounts what some of the witnesses said in that Brown was shot in the back. It corroborates what other witnesses said. But even that isn't enough evidence to explain what happened.

Personally I think Brown was doing a hand stand when the officer shot him. That would explain why he was shot in the arm and how easily it would have been to miss the arm and shoot him in the head. If you're going to explain what happened based only on the autopsy my explanation makes the most sense.

And that is what the entire "Hands up, don't shoot" mantra was all about. He wasn't shot from the back like the protestors claimed. Whatever the case, I doubt anything will happen to Wilson. From what I've seen, he was following protocol.

Also, the video footage of Brown robbing the liquor store definitely doesn't help the ambulance chasers either. FUCK THOSE PEOPLE FOR TRYING TO MAKE A BUCK ON A TRAGEDY!

 

[MarAzul]

I disagree. When one fires, you tend to go upward. If a person is rushing you, the shots could start low, then draw upward. Also, have you paid attention to Brown's "attorney ambulance chasers"? They seem deflated after the release of autopsy photos. Then they tried back peddling and requesting their guys do the autopsy.

Whatever the case, it clearly isn't "Hands up don't shoot" slam dunk. The media should be embarrassed for their unbiased coverage of the series of events.

PS... The shot to the top of the head would be a stone cold assassination. I doubt no cop in their right mind would do something like that and think they can get away with it. Especially in broad daylight.

Well I think you have it close to right Mags. The report showing the bullet wounds looks just about right for a guy bull rushing a real nervous cop, pulling left with his shots until he gets himself under control and nails him.

Of course there is also the simply logic that the cop probably did not just decide to shoot the guy on the spur of the moment six time for no damn reason. No I would not come to that conclusion, it makes no sense.

 

[magnifier661]

Well I think you have it close to right Mags. The report showing the bullet wounds looks just about right for a guy bull rushing a real nervous cop, pulling left with his shots until he gets himself under control and nails him.

Of course there is also the simply logic that the cop probably did not just decide to shoot the guy on the spur of the moment six time for no damn reason. No I would not come to that conclusion, it makes no sense.

That's what I get from the photos too. Either the cop was psychotic and just wanted to pour 6 shots into some kid for fun or he was scared for his life and reacted. I wouldn't be surprised if he was rushed and had to put the loser down.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Well I think you have it close to right Mags. The report showing the bullet wounds looks just about right for a guy bull rushing a real nervous cop, pulling left with his shots until he gets himself under control and nails him.

Of course there is also the simply logic that the cop probably did not just decide to shoot the guy on the spur of the moment six time for no damn reason. No I would not come to that conclusion, it makes no sense.

You're making wild speculations based on very little evidence.

There is a rumor going around the interwebs that the police officer has a fractured eye socket. If true that would explain the placement and number of shots.

 

[blue32]

The bullet to the top of the head was most likely the last shot -- after he dropped from getting popped in the arms, he fell closer to the ground, the next shot hit his eye, through his jaw down into his collar bone. Again, finally, the last shot hit the top of his head. Most likely the last two fired in rapid succession.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

That's what I get from the photos too. Either the cop was psychotic and just wanted to pour 6 shots into some kid for fun or he was scared for his life and reacted. I wouldn't be surprised if he was rushed and had to put the loser down.

Wow.

What photos?

 

[magnifier661]

Wow.

What photos?

 

[3RA1N1AC]

 

[MarAzul]

You're making wild speculations based on very little evidence.

There is a rumor going around the interwebs that the police officer has a fractured eye socket. If true that would explain the placement and number of shots.

A fractured eye socket would do it, put an edge on the temperament. But in any case the evidence is there unless of course you do have observation impediment.