So uh, is anyone following what's going on in St. Louis?

[SlyPokerDog]

A fractured eye socket would do it, put an edge on the temperament. But in any case the evidence is there unless of course you do have observation impediment.

You're the one making up this whole scenario of him being a nervous cop. There isn't enough evidence to say what happened yet.

 

[MarAzul]

You're the one making up this whole scenario of him being a nervous cop. There isn't enough evidence to say what happened yet.

You do know I am not faulting the cop? No doubt he had ample reason to be agitated. Shots out in the arm are pretty far off for being within 35 feet. Adrenalin rush will do it to you.

When he is calm I imaging he can deliver them all within 2" of center. But then he would not need six.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

You do know I am not faulting the cop? No doubt he had ample reason to be agitated. Shots out in the arm are pretty far off for being within 35 feet. Adrenalin rush will do it to you.

When he is calm I imaging he can deliver them all within 2" of center. But then he would not need six.

That's exactly what I'm talking about. Do you think the autopsy diagram is showing exactly how Brown was standing?

All that diagram is for is to show where he was injured. It's not saying that he had his arms down to his sides. You're looking at a 2 dimensional form. Browns arm could have been across his chest. It's have been up in the air. Down on the ground. He could have been throwing a punch and his arm was extended when it was shot. His upper body could have been twisted to the side. You're making up this entire scenario based on an autopsy diagram and you think that means you're in support of the cop?!?

There isn't enough information yet. You can not determine how competent the officer was based off of a 2 dimensional autopsy form.

All we can tell is that Brown was not walking or running away because he wasn't shot in the back.

 

[MarAzul]

That's exactly what I'm talking about. Do you think the autopsy diagram is showing exactly how Brown was standing?

All that diagram is for is to show where he was injured. It's not saying that he had his arms down to his sides. You're looking at a 2 dimensional form. Browns arm could have been across his chest. It's have been up in the air. Down on the ground. He could have been throwing a punch and his arm was extended when it was shot. His upper body could have been twisted to the side. You're making up this entire scenario based on an autopsy diagram and you think that means you're in support of the cop?!?

There isn't enough information yet. You can not determine how competent the officer was based off of a 2 dimensional autopsy form.

All we can tell is that Brown was not walking or running away because he wasn't shot in the back.

I am not supporting the cop nor am I faulting the cop.
I do not think the cop just decided to put six rounds in the various parts of the guy.

The report tells us that the fellow was not running away.
Not very likely the cop is a psycho that would shoot the fellow 6 times with his hands up.
The entry wound don't support hands up.

Now why the fuck would a cop shoot the guy with a spray a pray pattern of a novice that never practiced with a hand gun? A well trained Police officer would likely be just as good as me and I would likely put six round in breast bone about 8" below his chin, but the fellow would not cooperate that long, he'd be on the turf before you could get the third off.

I don't think the cop had any intention of doing such a thing, and this report show it didn't happen that way.

So WTF did go down, well a big huge guy in an arm pumping bull rush straight for the cop
would start his engine in a rush and six shot would come damn fast and perhaps pulled tad.

Now that might be wrong but I suspect it is much closer to the truth than finding the cop is psycho who just decided to pop the guy.

 

[magnifier661]

What the autopsy diagram helps prove is that he wasn't shot in the back, Brown's hands weren't up, and there is a high probability that Wilson was firing under duress.

I have many law enforcement friends and they explain that each officer must go through a gun qualification coarse. And at 10-15 feet, if a cop ain't putting the group in the chest without stress, then he has no business being a cop or having a gun.

If all the wounds are entered from the front, then if Browns hands were up, the entry should be from the back of the arm.

 

[cmeese47]

Is it just me or do the black community have a history of backing the wrong horse. Riots over Rodney King a criminal, Riots over Travon Martin a criminal and riots over this kid another criminal. Where are the riots, the people showing up with guns to protest when a banger rolls up in a caddie and shoots up a park killing and wounding children. Where are the riots and anger when some sells crack and mac 10's to their kids or sets up a crystal meth lab in the middle of a family community.

Come on people protest something worthwhile.

 

[Eastoff]

Is it just me or do the black community have a history of backing the wrong horse. Riots over Rodney King a criminal, Riots over Travon Martin a criminal and riots over this kid another criminal. Where are the riots, the people showing up with guns to protest when a banger rolls up in a caddie and shoots up a park killing and wounding children. Where are the riots and anger when some sells crack and mac 10's to their kids or sets up a crystal meth lab in the middle of a family community.

Come on people protest something worthwhile.

I think the community does protest those things. But the Riots and the looters, only come out when it's their boys. It's two different groups, the protesters and the rioters.

 

[RR7]

What the autopsy diagram helps prove is that he wasn't shot in the back, Brown's hands weren't up, and there is a high probability that Wilson was firing under duress.

I have many law enforcement friends and they explain that each officer must go through a gun qualification coarse. And at 10-15 feet, if a cop ain't putting the group in the chest without stress, then he has no business being a cop or having a gun.

If all the wounds are entered from the front, then if Browns hands were up, the entry should be from the back of the arm.

How does that picture from the autopsy report prove his arms weren't up? the diagram has his palms facing forward, which is generally an awkward position to be standing. He has a shot to the palm of his hand, which could very easily be from having his arms and hands up. There's a shot to the right forearm, close to the body that seems like it would be much easier to hit either from behind, or wit arms overhead. Not at all saying that that is the case, or close to what happened, but I don't see at all how you're drawing definitive conclusions off of that picture of the autopsy.

 

[Mediocre Man]

I would have thought his penis would have been larger, but the diagram proves me wrong

 

[The_Lillard_King]

I think the community does protest those things. But the Riots and the looters, only come out when it's their boys. It's two different groups, the protesters and the rioters.

People seem to separate protesters from rioters but lump all police officers as the same.

 

[MarAzul]

People seem to separate protesters from rioters but lump all police officers as the same.

Police officers must pass some selection tests.
Rioters and protesters pass no tests and often are interchangeable.

 

[BlazerWookee]

"Orbital blowout fracture to the eye socket."

The damned cop punched that poor innocent teenager in the fist with his temple!

 

[MarAzul]

"Orbital blowout fracture to the eye socket."

The damned cop punched that poor innocent teenager in the fist with his temple!

That takes a mean sumbitch!

 

[MARIS61]

People seem to separate protesters from rioters but lump all police officers as the same.

The same as what?

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Skipped to page 8 to answer the question. ..nope. No, I am not following.

 

[magnifier661]

"Orbital blowout fracture to the eye socket."

The damned cop punched that poor innocent teenager in the fist with his temple!

Media are a bunch of idiots for jumping the gun on this one. I wonder how stupid some of the protestors feel, claiming an innocent thug was shot for no reason.

 

[MARIS61]

*edited: Please avoid blatant racism, thank*

 

[cmeese47]

I think the community does protest those things. But the Riots and the looters, only come out when it's their boys. It's two different groups, the protesters and the rioters.

Makes sense rioters only show up when a fellow criminal goes down.

 

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

Media are a bunch of idiots for jumping the gun on this one. I wonder how stupid some of the protestors feel, claiming an innocent thug was shot for no reason.

Well, when the media is filled with white guilt personalities this is the result you're gonna get. The biggest problem with Americans is that we get way too emotional one way or the other(everyone is/has been guilty of it) when it comes to unsolved things.

 

[Sedatedfork]

It would seemed that a trained officer would cluster their shots for a nice grouping. That would be consistent with his right arm being raised in front of his face.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

Media are a bunch of idiots for jumping the gun on this one. I wonder how stupid some of the protestors feel, claiming an innocent thug was shot for no reason.

I have seen some interviews with protesters. When confronted with the true events as now known, they change the narrative to "Well..then I guess it was OK to shoot him once, but not six times...blah blah blah". Seems that there is no cure and reason has nothing to do with there desire to be a part of what they consider to be history.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

It would seemed that a trained officer would cluster their shots for a nice grouping. That would be consistent with his right arm being raised in front of his face.

and I can make the same arguement that his injuries are consistent with arms out reaching toward the officer. Just the autopsy drawing is not enough information to make an intelligent determination.

 

[Sedatedfork]

and I can make the same arguement that his injuries are consistent with arms out reaching toward the officer. Just the autopsy drawing is not enough information to make an intelligent determination.

I didn't say there weren't other plausible scenarios, just saying that the autopsy drawing doesn't refute witnesses who said he had his hands raised.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

I didn't say there weren't other plausible scenarios, just saying that the autopsy drawing doesn't refute witnesses who said he had his hands raised.

yes it does, the witness stated that he was shot in the back with his hands up...bull shit, that is not possible

 

[Sedatedfork]

There have been new medical studies showing that people can put their hands up while facing police, not just when they have their back to the police. I will try to find some links to the studies.

 

[Minstrel]

There have been new medical studies showing that people can put their hands up while facing police, not just when they have their back to the police. I will try to find some links to the studies.

We're never going to see those studies, are we?

 

[jlprk]

Wow. Look at the stupidity of a Ferguson policeman who's been on the force 26 years. The less experienced ones must be even dumber...for example, the police spokesman who didn't recognize the 26-year policeman on a force of only 53.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...video-relieved-black-people-ferguson-dan-page

 

[MarAzul]

You're making wild speculations based on very little evidence.

There is a rumor going around the interwebs that the police officer has a fractured eye socket. If true that would explain the placement and number of shots.

Wild speculation or just spot on?

 

[MARIS61]

If you're going to burn down your own neighborhood, at least have the decency to stay home.

 

[MarAzul]

If you're going to burn down your own neighborhood, at least have the decency to stay home.

Geez! You deflected my jab at Sly.