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maxiep said:
If that happened, it would be a disaster. To get good again, we need to suck for a bit.
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Or we need a couple players out of Noah, Ed, Al, Crabbe, Meyers, CJ, Mason or Pat to prove to be up and coming stars in the NBA. I think we have some damn nice young talent and a coach that's able to get the most of of his players.
 
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Or we need a couple players out of Noah, Ed, Al, Crabbe, Meyers, CJ, Mason or Pat to prove to be up and coming stars in the NBA. I think we have some damn nice young talent and a coach that's able to get the most of of his players.
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This. The draft is a crapshoot. Who is to say we don't already have a player as young and talented on the roster as we are likely to pick up in the lottery at the end of the year. Being crap does not guarantee you get better. Oden. Derrick Williams. No guarantees
 
We still have an all-star and a lot of young guys who could step up. And it's not like this is our final roster. I don't think we're going to go into the season with about $28m in cap space... That said, Aldridge please come back.
 
Building a winner isn't doesn't require either drafting in the top-five or else landing a superstar in free agency. You can also build by smart drafting wherever you are in the draft and signing or trading for good non-star players. The Warriors, for example, aren't built around a top-five pick of their own (Bogut and Livingston were technically top-five picks, but the Warriors traded for them after injuries had already robbed them of a lot of their scoring game--they weren't superstars or anything of the sort when the Warriors acquired them). Curry was a #7 pick, as was Harrison Barnes. Klay Thompson was a #11 pick. Green was a second-round pick. Iguodala and Livingston were smart signings, the types that even Portland could conceivably make.

Granted, those are still three lottery picks, but the point remains that players are overlooked every year--making the right pick is more important than where you select. Obviously, selecting higher gives you a wider pool, but I don't think it's at all necessary to tank in order to win, even for a non-destination franchise like the Blazers.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
I'm not even upset about it any more - more kind of stunned.
The Jazz already had a better record than us in the second half of last season, and didn't lose anybody.
Minny not only got Towns, they should have Rubio back and they got the Euroleague MVP, who will be second-team all-rookie at the very least. Plus Wiggins is likely to take a big step forward.
Sacto have Boogie, and just got Rondo (who has a lot to prove) and Bellinelli. On the plus side, they still have Gay, so there's that.
The Lakers will give us stiff competition in suckage, that's for sure. They might well be worse. But if there are any free agents left they should have a better shot than us at them.
The Clips lost DJ, but they still have Chris Paul and Griffin, and if they sign-and-trade for Koufos as suggested, the dropoff will be less than most people think.
Houston, Memphis, SA and Dallas have all stayed the same or got better
OKC should be a LOT better, GState still elite.
The Suns will be better. If they get Aldridge, they're a playoff team at worst. If they don't, they're probably on our level or a bit better.
No other team has lost four starters and at least two reserves. Is that a record for any team in free agency?
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The Jazz will be better this season
Minnesota will also be better
OKC will be fighting for the division title
Denver is gonna suck, maybe as bas as us
Sac is gonna suck
Lakers are gonna be horrible
Clippers will drop some
Houston is about the same
Memphis a little better maybe
Dallas is not any better
San Antonio with Aldridge will be lethal
The suns will be better if they get Aldridge, still will have trouble making the playoffs
New Orleans will be better
Golden State won't change much

Its gonna be tuff to make the playoffs

And yes I believe we have the record
 
Minstrel said:
Building a winner isn't doesn't require either drafting in the top-five or else landing a superstar in free agency. You can also build by smart drafting wherever you are in the draft and signing or trading for good non-star players. The Warriors, for example, aren't built around a top-five pick of their own (Bogut and Livingston were technically top-five picks, but the Warriors traded for them after injuries had already robbed them of a lot of their scoring game--they weren't superstars or anything of the sort when the Warriors acquired them). Curry was a #7 pick, as was Harrison Barnes. Klay Thompson was a #11 pick. Green was a second-round pick. Iguodala and Livingston were smart signings, the types that even Portland could conceivably make.

Granted, those are still three lottery picks, but the point remains that players are overlooked every year--making the right pick is more important than where you select. Obviously, selecting higher gives you a wider pool, but I don't think it's at all necessary to tank in order to win, even for a non-destination franchise like the Blazers.
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Agreed. Portland could with a bit of luck could have a breakout player on the roster already. Their profile isn't significantly different -
Lillard #6
Aminu #8
Vonleh #9
McCollum #10
Leonard #11
Henderson #12
Davis #13
Plumlee #22

Lot of lottery picks right there. Also...looks like we need a #7 for a super-straight!
 
Monroe was a #7 pick, damn

Deng, Foye, Hamilton?
 
We most definitely arent the worst, that would be the Lakers. Id have to do a rundown but id say were comfortably in the bottom 3.
 
these threads..... /wrists.
 
rig said:
Agreed. Portland could with a bit of luck could have a breakout player on the roster already. Their profile isn't significantly different -
Lillard #6
Aminu #8
Vonleh #9
McCollum #10
Leonard #11
Henderson #12
Davis #13
Plumlee #22

Lot of lottery picks right there. Also...looks like we need a #7 for a super-straight!
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Though Plumlee was #22, he made all-Rookie Team.
 
rig said:
Agreed. Portland could with a bit of luck could have a breakout player on the roster already. Their profile isn't significantly different -
Lillard #6
Aminu #8
Vonleh #9
McCollum #10
Leonard #11
Henderson #12
Davis #13
Plumlee #22

Lot of lottery picks right there. Also...looks like we need a #7 for a super-straight!
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So let's see what we lost off the list:
Aldridge #2
Fropez #15
Batum #25
Matthews #infinity

We are definitely moving towards less diversity in draft position.

barfo
 
Are you serious dude? We are still better than kings, Lakers, nuggets and the jazz. Just stop. And we banned mixum for his antics? Are you kidding me?
 
Mannnn i fucking hate building thru the draft, it's slow as fuck (unless you pull 'a Prichard') and most prospects turn out to be garbage, i really hope we won't take that path.

My last hope is CJ, i think he is made out of All-Star material\Jamal Crawford material and he has a good head on his shoulders.
 
Minstrel said:
Building a winner isn't doesn't require either drafting in the top-five or else landing a superstar in free agency. You can also build by smart drafting wherever you are in the draft and signing or trading for good non-star players. The Warriors, for example, aren't built around a top-five pick of their own (Bogut and Livingston were technically top-five picks, but the Warriors traded for them after injuries had already robbed them of a lot of their scoring game--they weren't superstars or anything of the sort when the Warriors acquired them). Curry was a #7 pick, as was Harrison Barnes. Klay Thompson was a #11 pick. Green was a second-round pick. Iguodala and Livingston were smart signings, the types that even Portland could conceivably make.

Granted, those are still three lottery picks, but the point remains that players are overlooked every year--making the right pick is more important than where you select. Obviously, selecting higher gives you a wider pool, but I don't think it's at all necessary to tank in order to win, even for a non-destination franchise like the Blazers.
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So it's a bit of a shame we've traded so many picks, isn't it? But it's okay - we got half a season of Arron Afflalo out of it.
 
I just keep thinking that somewhere there's a Blazers fan who went camping in the wilderness about three weeks ago who's thinking: "I hope someone like Rondae Hollis-Jefferson dropped to us in the draft, and, I know it's a long shot, but maybe we got Marc Gasol in free agency! Or, no, let's just keep the starters the same and sign a solid bench player... I can't wait for next season - this time we've got a real shot!" I'd kind of love to see his face when he gets access to the internet back.
 
For those that dont want to build through the draft, how would you like to see it get built?
 
Plus, PA will get in his own way and demand we be just good enough to get some medioce draft pick.
 
Mediocre Man said:
For those that dont want to build through the draft, how would you like to see it get built?
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I don't think we have much of a choice. The draft and trades are the only way to build in this market.

The last big signing was ....Brian Grant?
 
People will tell you Andre Miller, but he wasn't a top tier player at that point.

Teams like us build through the draft. Then you can trade those assets for players....maybe
 
not quite on topic, but if you look at what Utah's doing it's very much in line with how I might run a team. Stockpile picks, have players who aren't in the long-term plan sent out one year early rather than one year late, sign the keepers for as long as you can get them, use cap space to take on bad contracts and more picks, and try to hit on as many of them as possible.

2015: 12 (Lyles), 42, 54 (sold to us for cash)
2016: 1st and 3 2nds
2017: 2 1sts (GSW's unprotected) and 4 2nds.
2018: 2 1sts (OKC's lotto-protected) and 2 2nds

and a roster of Hayward, Gobert, Exum, Favors, Lyles, Burks ... but it's taken them a few years to compile that.

BOS, on the other hand...if I trusted Ainge's drafting, they could be dangerous. Hell, they might be anyway with Stevens coaching them up. Check out their future draft haul:

2015: Rozier, Hunter, Mickey, Thornton
2016: up to 4 1sts; theirs, BKN (unprotected...who does that anymore?!), DAL (1-7 protected), MIN (1-12 protected), 3 2nds
2017: can swap with BKN (unprotected), 2 2nds
2018: up to 3 1sts; theirs, BKN (unprotected), MEM (1-12 protected), 1 2nd
 
So, bully for Utah and Boston. What's our future pick situation?
 
Mediocre Man said:
For those that dont want to build through the draft, how would you like to see it get built?
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Free agency of course! Portland practically sells itself: 95% white! Scruffy hipsters with waxed mustachios! Bay area transplants clogging the freeways! High state taxes! Imagine the possibilities.
 
Right now, this roster looks like Damian Lillard and a good bench...maybe CJ and Meyers will continue where they left off in the playoffs, and if that's the case, we could be an above .500 team. Hard to say till we see them in action.
 
Mediocre Man said:
For those that dont want to build through the draft, how would you like to see it get built?
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Sign FA European players each year and hope for a gem,sign players who can actually do their job (sf\sg who can shoot and defend,big men who can rebound and block etc) and then do smart trades.

I think Riley,Bird and Morey are the best examples of GMs who can build a team without all that tanking bullshit. How on earth did Riley stumble upon Whiteside?
 
Blazers Roy said:
Mannnn i fucking hate building thru the draft, it's slow as fuck (unless you pull 'a Prichard') and most prospects turn out to be garbage, i really hope we won't take that path.

My last hope is CJ, i think he is made out of All-Star material\Jamal Crawford material and he has a good head on his shoulders.
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I see these as mutually exclusive, but maybe that's just me?
 
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