Some Rockets fans don't believe Lillard got that shot off...

[RipCity71252]

http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=254123

I decided to do some research, since the clock was a bit late starting (most likely due to human error) and found that he released the ball in approximately .5-.6 seconds after he touched it using a stopwatch.

It's pretty clear to see, but some Rockets fans, even with other fans telling them otherwise, refuse to believe he got it off and that they were hosed.

Thoughts?

 

[magnifier661]

As a wise man once said "tough shit"

 

[HailBlazers]

...

Houston is the schizophrenic fan capital of the world... it's always an excuse and not that our team played mediocre for a lot of the series and has NEVER EVER been able to close.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Somebody here (wish I could remember who) actually did a frame-by-frame analysis to come up with an exact figure from when it touched his hands to when it left it. Result: 0.5 - 0.6 seconds, so yeah the clock didn't start exactly when he touched the ball, but it still didn't matter.

For the record, most of the saner Houston fans admitted the shot got off.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

That was me, Nik. Damian holds the ball for 19-20 frames (depending on how conservative you are). At 30fps, that's about .6 seconds.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

The same thing was said about Roy's shot is '08. Then, someone took the time to count still frames in the video to determine that he got it off. Someone will do the same with Lillard's.

It was good.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Seriously, I don't know why some people like to torture themselves.

 

[Nikolokolus]

That was me, Nik. Damian holds the ball for 19-20 frames (depending on how conservative you are). At 30fps, that's about .6 seconds.

Apparently I can't rep you again yet.

 

[Hobbesarable]

http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=254123

I decided to do some research, since the clock was a bit late starting (most likely due to human error) and found that he released the ball in approximately .5-.6 seconds after he touched it using a stopwatch.

It's pretty clear to see, but some Rockets fans, even with other fans telling them otherwise, refuse to believe he got it off and that they were hosed.

Thoughts?

Some people believe the moon doesn't exist and yet there it is for everyone to see nearly every night.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I can't go all BlazerCaravan on it, but I just went back on my DVR and rewatched it at 1/15th speed, starting a timer before the ball reached Dame's hands, and stopping it after the ball had left (to be EXTRA conservative). At 1/15 speed, that took 11 seconds, which would logically translate to 11/15 of a second in real time, or .73 seconds.

The shot was unquestionably good.

 

[Reep]

Wasn't Brandon's shot against Houston from almost the same spot? Maybe they should have someone stand there next time.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...vs-houston-was-eerily-similar-to-brandon-roys

 

[Nikolokolus]

Wasn't Brandon's shot against Houston from almost the same spot?

Yes

 

[Sedatedfork]

 

[BlazerCaravan]

I forgot that the Roy shot was from almost the same location with the same result. Maybe next time they should plant someone there.

I think that's a different photo but yeah. Houston fans still hate Roy for that shot, and to have Lillard do the same. damn. shot. against them is making them special crazy.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Wasn't Brandon's shot against Houston from almost the same spot?

He was a couple feet closer to the sideline, but otherwise, yeah.

 

[Sedatedfork]

I think that's a different photo but yeah. Houston fans still hate Roy for that shot, and to have Lillard do the same. damn. shot. against them is making them special crazy.

You mean the part of the photo where it was against the Wizards?

 

[BlazerCaravan]

You mean the part of the photo where it was against the Wizards?

yeah that was a good clue.

Sad part: I noticed there were 2 seconds left first.

 

[RipCity71252]

 

[Reep]

Yeah, sorry. Fixed it, but couldn't find a photo that showed where Brandon was on the court. Video shows it nicely though.

[since it's already buried]
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...vs-houston-was-eerily-similar-to-brandon-roys

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Wasn't Brandon's shot against Houston from almost the same spot? Maybe they should have someone stand there next time.

Looks like Roy was also about 3 feet further back.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Roy's shot has a higher degree of difficulty, if both games were equal... but the pressure was way higher on Dame.

 

[PDXFonz]

Brandon's was a 4 pt play in today's nba too.

 

[Daweez04]

My favorite

Ball left his hand with .3. Clock didn't start for at least .3.

My sig tells a different story.

 

[BBert]

A tenth of a second is not supposed to click off simultaneous to the player touching the ball, it should tick off a tenth of a second after he touches the ball.

There was a lengthy back and forth about this in another thread that confirmed the OP.

Those guys are in serious denial. Good for them. Let them torture themselves. The little martyrs enjoy it too much.

 

[BigGameDamian]

Originally Posted by Bamushake View Post
you underestimate how long .9 is

vernonmaxwell11
that's what she said

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Roy's shot has a higher degree of difficulty, if both games were equal... but the pressure was way higher on Dame.

Yes and no. Roy was running directly away from the hoop and was already slowing down to turn around before the ball was passed. By the time he received the ball, his momentum, was completely stopped, and he was able to go straight up.

Dame was running toward the ball (ie, the sideline) as the pass was delivered, and when he went up, his momentum carried him another foot or two to the side. You can also see that Dame lands on his left foot, because his body is leaning to the left as he's shooting. Also, I'd say that Parsons was closer to Lillard than McGrady was to Roy.

Either way, I'd have airballed both, and then cried like a little girl afterward.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

I can't go all BlazerCaravan on it, but I just went back on my DVR and rewatched it at 1/15th speed, starting a timer before the ball reached Dame's hands, and stopping it after the ball had left (to be EXTRA conservative). At 1/15 speed, that took 11 seconds, which would logically translate to 11/15 of a second in real time, or .73 seconds.

The shot was unquestionably good.

by 8 hundredths of a second huh?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

by 8 hundredths of a second huh?

Are you suggesting that .09 should actually be .081? Even so, if I'm not trying to be super-conservative, but instead trying to be super accurate, I get .67 seconds (5 separate readings at 1/15 speed, timing between 9.6 and 10.3 seconds, which translates to between .64 and .69; average reading 10.0 or .667).

Anyone who actually takes the time to time it in slo-mo and do the math will see that it wasn't really close to 0.9 (relatively speaking).

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I don't think Lillard even made the shot. It was just an elaborate hoax done with mirrors.

Damian Lillard, Basketball Mind Freak!

 

[Boob-No-More]

There is also precedent for getting off a shot in less than 0.9 seconds. The NBA did an analysis and came to the conclusion that the minimum time required to catch and shoot is 0.4 seconds. So, that gave Lillard half a second cushion.

The shot was good, no question about it. It has been analyzed in depth and EVERY time the conclusion is the same (except in the mind of a few delusional Rockets fans).

Here's an idea... Rather than constantly bitch when things don't go your way, try winning next time. When you win, you don't need to look for excuses. Maybe next time, you might want to actually try playing a little defense and not giving a clutch shooter a clear look at the basket with your entire season on the line. That was the WORST defense on a game winning shot since Sheed left Robert Horry wide open at the 3-point line in Game 5 of the 2005 NBA Finals. That one cost the Pistons the game, but it wasn't a series ending buzzer beater like Lillard's shot.

Face it Rockets fans, with the game on the line, your team failed to execute - and not just in Game 6. The only way to get better is to learn from your mistakes. Stop crying and focus on the REAL problem - your team's execution at the end of close games. Improve that, and you might actually win a series next year.

BNM