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You’re cherry-picking. It’s been known for years that not enough is spent on forest management, thinning and clearing underbrush. The first set of fires that took out Paradise should have been a warning but nothing was done still. It’s mismanagement.
"Known"?
California does prescribed burns and clearing when and where possible.

These areas make it impossible to extremely cost prohibitive in many places because they are too steep and inaccessible.
 
You’re cherry-picking. It’s been known for years that not enough is spent on forest management, thinning and clearing underbrush. The first set of fires that took out Paradise should have been a warning but nothing was done still. It’s mismanagement.

No. Other fires it might have made a difference but not what happened this winter in Southern California.

These arguments are largely incorrect, according to fire experts.

Both county and state rules already require individuals to maintain vegetation-free buffer zones around homes in high-risk areas.

Even these regulations, however, would not have stopped this round of fires, which spread quickly as Santa Ana winds with gusts of over 80 mph blew the blaze horizontally between houses and carried embers through the sky, touching off new blazes.

“All of the brush clearance, fuel breaks — they’re very effective on what we would consider a normal day,” Chief Brian Fennessy of the Orange County Fire Authority toldThe Los Angeles Times. “But what you’re talking about here is probably less than 1% of all the fires that we respond to in Southern California.”

“You could have put a 10-lane freeway in front of that fire and it would not have slowed it one bit,” he added.

Making matters worse, hard-hit neighborhoods like Altadena and the Pacific Palisades are built in high-risk fire zones. In addition, 90 percent of Los Angeles County’s housing stock was constructed before 1990, prior to fire-proofing code requirements taking effect.

“The houses are perfectly aligned with the direction of the prevailing Santa Ana winds,” wildfire mapping expert Zeke Lunder toldThe Washington Post. “It is too late after the city is built to think about this stuff.”

An analysis from the newspaper found that as of Saturday, more than 70 percent of the burned areas in L.A. County were in zones the state determined have very high fire risk.

Thus, when fast-moving winds began carrying the blaze towards these communities, the stage was set for catastrophic destruction.

“The bottom line is the winds far outweigh the fuel in terms of fire spread in a situation like this,” Jon Keeley, fire ecologist with the U.S. Geological Survey, told LAist. “When you have these winds it makes fuels less relevant. And the fuels are definitely not relevant once it gets into the urban environment, because the primary fuels are the homes.”

Moreover, clearing out brush is more effective in the ecosystems of Northern California and the Sierra Nevada mountains, where decades of total fire suppression allowed fuels to build up, ignoring both the landscape’s natural fire cycle and the long indigenous history of controlled burns.

In these areas, controlled burns and reduction in brush can make forests both more resilient and less combustible, but these impacts are less meaningful in the dry, scrubby climate of Southern Calfornia, one of the most extreme fire climates in the world, according to the National Park Service.

In these chaparral ecosystems, controlled burns could hasten the replacement of slow-gestating native plants with faster-growing invasives which die sooner and increase fire risk.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/could-more-brush-clearance-really-215747202.html

Did these and other second-guessers have a point? Scientists, wildfire specialists and firefighting officials had differing viewpoints. But several of these experts — including strong proponents of brush clearance — said that the winds fanning the flames were so fierce, and ground conditions so dry, that clearing more shrubs wouldn’t have had a significant effect.

https://www.latimes.com/environment...-helped-slow-the-spread-of-the-palisades-fire
 
You’re cherry-picking. It’s been known for years that not enough is spent on forest management, thinning and clearing underbrush. The first set of fires that took out Paradise should have been a warning but nothing was done still. It’s mismanagement.

You are really going with Trump's, gotta rake those leafs? Ha
 
You’re cherry-picking. It’s been known for years that not enough is spent on forest management, thinning and clearing underbrush. The first set of fires that took out Paradise should have been a warning but nothing was done still. It’s mismanagement.
You know maybe you’re right. All the huge forests in Pacific Palisades/ Los Angeles just needed to have their floors swept. It isn’t the complete lack of rain and Santa Ana winds doing this. Pull ur head out.
 
Fox News and Trump tell me this is all Newsoms fault. He might as well of just started the fires himself. The Palisades forest floors needed to be swept.
 
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You know maybe you’re right. All the huge forests in Pacific Palisades/ Los Angeles just needed to have their floors swept. It isn’t the complete lack of rain and Santa Ana winds doing this. Pull ur head out.
It takes a number of factors for a fire to get out of control, an abundance of fuel is one of them. The factor you are conveniently choosing to leave out of the equation. Wind doesn’t burn smart guy.
 
It takes a number of factors for a fire to get out of control, an abundance of fuel is one of them. The factor you are conveniently choosing to leave out of the equation. Wind doesn’t burn smart guy.

If you don't get rain, you are going to have a lot of fuel. Removing it isn't a realistic option.

Might as well blame Newsom for allowing there to be too much oxygen in the air. Nitrogen doesn't burn smart guy.

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It takes a number of factors for a fire to get out of control, an abundance of fuel is one of them. The factor you are conveniently choosing to leave out of the equation. Wind doesn’t burn smart guy.
Hey smarty pants. Pacific Palisades isn’t full of FORESTS.
 
What Trump didn't stop those fires yet?
 
It takes a number of factors for a fire to get out of control, an abundance of fuel is one of them. The factor you are conveniently choosing to leave out of the equation. Wind doesn’t burn smart guy.
unfortunately houses, signs, cars with gas tanks, electrical wiring etc...are pretty volatile sources of fuel and in abundance...LA is full of swimming pools and sprinkler systems..one of the most manicured and landscaped suburban sprawls in the country but it's in a bowl and walled in...add embers and 100mph winds and there you go...firestorm..urban firestorm. it was virtually unstoppable by all fire fighters standards. As it is, they did a hell of a job saving what little was salvageable. Wind can carry propane fumes and gas fumes and burn but mostly it carries endless embers that are too numerous to stamp out . This coulda shoulda woulda shit doesn't stop fires, earthquakes, volcanos, floods, typhoons or landslides....it's not political currency it's a fucking natural disaster. Jesus. I have empathy for all those folks and I hate LA. Yeah, I'm sure they could have done things better throughout that vast area in pockets but people are not always at their best under life threatening conditions. Good thing the Labrea Tar Pits didn't catch fire or they'd burn for a couple of hundred years. How many people had a 5 gallon gas can in the garage? I'm guessing some even had lawn mowers and motorcycles! Kaboom city! Yeah...more raking would've made a big difference I'll bet.
 
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Could you boys please move your back and forth to its own thread?
 
All these men talking about how women are supposed to feel about sexual assault in a thread supposedly about fires on Southern California. Where I have friends and would like to keep up with what is going on.
 
Andalusian lives near my daughter around North County San Diego and I’ve yet to hear back from her about her house. Hoping he is also out of harms way

Nothing really nearby here. There was something in Poway / Rancho Bernardo but that's about 20 miles away. There was/is something in Valley Center which is 15 miles away or so. We are basically right out of the red-flag zone (which of course does not mean much if a fire gets started and we do live near a canyon) - but the wind here is in the 15MPH range which is not horrible.

So far so good. Thanks...
 

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