Southern Oregon to form new state?

[bluefrog]

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It’s been almost 60 years since the United States introduced a new state into the union (Hawaii in 1959), but if a group of Northern Californians and Southern Oregonians have their way, we may see a 51st star added to the flag.

The State of Jefferson, as it would be known, would be an amalgamation of rural counties focused on restoring limited, locally focused government at the state level that takes into account issues that effect the bucolic communities of which the state would consist.

On Tuesday, the Siskiyou County (Calif.) Board of Supervisors voted to support the county’s split from the state, in the presence of over 100 people who almost unanimously supported the secession.

Mark Baird, resident of Scott Valley, has been leading the movement to unite Northern Californian and Southern Oregonian counties as a new state, and insisted Tuesday “We have to have government that’s local, understands our issues and has empathy” for people like them.

Apparently it's been a movement since 1941

 

[DaLincolnJones]

thanks man, interesting.

 

[julius]

Good luck with that, and i mean that earnestly.

I think there's nothing wrong with adding a new state/combining two states (in this scenario), but i do think they will struggle to get the things they think they're being deprived of.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

'Twould be the only "red" state on the West coast, were it to ever occur.

 

[Nikolokolus]

I grew up in Ruch so I got to hear all about this growing up. Never gonna happen.

 

[THE HCP]

Think Stern will give them a team? The Redwoods!

 

[DaLincolnJones]

Good luck with that, and i mean that earnestly.

I think there's nothing wrong with adding a new state/combining two states (in this scenario), but i do think they will struggle to get the things they think they're being deprived of.

the things you refer to have changed frm 1941 to present day. I think the fact that they are ruled from Sac and Portland by people that have zero idea of the true local concerns is the issue. I have an understanding of what this is like living here in the midvalley and seeing what a true 20% unemployment rate looks like

 

[julius]

the things you refer to have changed frm 1941 to present day. I think the fact that they are ruled from Sac and Portland by people that have zero idea of the true local concerns is the issue. I have an understanding of what this is like living here in the midvalley and seeing what a true 20% unemployment rate looks like

I understand things aren't the same as 1941, but that wasn't where I was basing this. The proposed population of the area is probably about half a million. Not exactly a very high end of the socio-economic scale either.

And yes, Portland and Sacramento do seem to favor the areas that have the population and money..because well, duh? Thats where most of the money originates from and a large portion of the states population resides in.

Do I think that southern Oregon needs to have a better representative in the State? Yes. But the 3 million people in the Portland Metro area should be, and are, more important than the # of people in the counties in question.

 

[Further]

Silly, but I'm fine with it. It would basically assure that Oregon only has Dems as governors and senators from here on.

 

[santeesioux]

I would move north, i shudder to think of what it would be like to have a Tea Party governor.

 

[oldguy]

Silly, but I'm fine with it. It would basically assure that Oregon only has Dems as governors and senators from here on.

And may God have mercy on our souls.

Go Blazers

 

[tlongII]

Silly, but I'm fine with it. It would basically assure that Oregon only has Dems as governors and senators from here on.

Which would suck.

 

[Natebishop3]

Silly, but I'm fine with it. It would basically assure that Oregon only has Dems as governors and senators from here on.

Do you realize how bad that is? When you don't have any checks and balances, one party or the other runs wild. When we only elect Dems, there is no balance at all. The two parties are needed to create an equilibrium. We haven't had that for decades and that's why our state is in such bad shape.

 

[maxiep]

The same thing is going on in Northern Colorado.

Colorado shares much in common with Oregon. Both have one area (Willamette Valley/Front Range) where the populace is much different than the rest of the state. Both have large swaths of agriculture/ranching. Both have large amounts of liberals and large amounts of libertarians/constitutionalists. Both states are governed in a majoritarian fashion, with little respect shown for the massive minority.

I think Northern Colorado stands a better chance of seceding because they'll be folded into Wyoming or Nebraska.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

Do you realize how bad that is? When you don't have any checks and balances, one party or the other runs wild. When we only elect Dems, there is no balance at all. The two parties are needed to create an equilibrium. We haven't had that for decades and that's why our state is in such bad shape.

The two parties just need to disappear, as long as we're trying to fix them. That's the only thing that would significantly help.

 

[Natebishop3]

The same thing is going on in Northern Colorado.

Colorado shares much in common with Oregon. Both have one area (Willamette Valley/Front Range) where the populace is much different than the rest of the state. Both have large swaths of agriculture/ranching. Both have large amounts of liberals and large amounts of libertarians/constitutionalists. Both states are governed in a majoritarian fashion, with little respect shown for the massive minority.

I think Northern Colorado stands a better chance of seceding because they'll be folded into Wyoming or Nebraska.

Unlike Oregon, you guys have a lot of firearm industry and they're bailing out because of the anti-gun legislation.

 

[Natebishop3]

The two parties just need to disappear, as long as we're trying to fix them. That's the only thing that would significantly help.

I agree. There never should have been parties in the first place.

And anyone who still thinks the parties stand for your rights is a fool. They stand for money. They stand for corporations. They stand for greed and corruption. Doesn't matter if you're a dem or a repub, your party is dirty as hell.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

Cascadia is next!!!

 

[Natebishop3]

Cascadia is next!!!

It would be a great idea if it wouldn't crash and burn like the Hindenburg.

 

[BigGameDamian]

Think Stern will give them a team? The Redwoods!

It would be pretty messed up if Southern Oregon got an NBA team before Seattle got another one.

 

[maxiep]

I would move north, i shudder to think of what it would be like to have a Tea Party governor.

Why would you be so afraid of a government that just left you alone?

 

[THE HCP]

Which would suck.

Republican AND a Beavers fan? Ouch, what a combo!

 

[Natebishop3]

Republican AND a Beavers fan? Ouch, what a combo!

You don't have to be a Republican to realize that only having one party running indefinitely is a horrible move.

 

[MarAzul]

Silly, but I'm fine with it. It would basically assure that Oregon only has Dems as governors and senators from here on.

Ha! Now there is an interesting thought. The man wants what he has "forever"!!!

When I live in Jefferson it will almost make my day to see you get just what you want.
State full of areses that will run a small business out because it won't bake a Wedding Cake for People who can't even get legally married. Wow!

 

[santeesioux]

Why would you be so afraid of a government that just left you alone?

I'm part Native bro, they'd have me slung up in a field somewhere within a week.

 

[Further]

I agree. There never should have been parties in the first place.

And anyone who still thinks the parties stand for your rights is a fool. They stand for money. They stand for corporations. They stand for greed and corruption. Doesn't matter if you're a dem or a repub, your party is dirty as hell.

Damn straight. If we can't figure out how to get money out of politics then our representatives won't be OUR representatives.

 

[Further]

Silly, but I'm fine with it. It would basically assure that Oregon only has Dems as governors and senators from here on.

And may God have mercy on our souls.

Go Blazers

Which would suck.

Do you realize how bad that is? When you don't have any checks and balances, one party or the other runs wild. When we only elect Dems, there is no balance at all. The two parties are needed to create an equilibrium. We haven't had that for decades and that's why our state is in such bad shape.

I actually agree, I was just making a dumb statement. Problem is, I have no faith we will ever get rid of the parties or money removed from politics. I have grown to totally distrust not only our representatives, but I don't trust the motives of our representatives. There are the rare few who slip through the cracks like Ron Wyden, whom I believe really care about doing what's right for their constituents instead of what's right for them.

 

[maxiep]

I'm part Native bro, they'd have me slung up in a field somewhere within a week.

So, it's your contention that Tea Partiers are racist?

 

[Further]

So, it's your contention that Tea Partiers are racist?

not all, but a much larger percent of Tea partiers are racist than in the general public. That's my gut feeling, not backed up by facts.

 

[maxiep]

not all, but a much larger percent of Tea partiers are racist than in the general public. That's my gut feeling, not backed up by facts.

I wasn't aware so many black people were Tea Partiers.