Southern Oregon to form new state?

[Further]

I wasn't aware so many black people were Tea Partiers.

I see what you did. See how racist you are, thinking all Blacks are racist.



kidding



but really, you are a racist sonno***un EDIT: son of a gun is what I said. oops



kiddinng


well


kidding


maybe


fuck Koreans,


we can all agree that Mags is a dick


kidding


racist jack ass


I love you all

 

[BlazerWookee]

Nobody's asking the most important question: Where the fuck are we gonna put the 51st star?

 

[Mediocre Man]

Nobody's asking the most important question: Where the fuck are we gonna put the 51st star?

 

[bluefrog]

The state nickname would be "The flannel state"

 

[santeesioux]

So, it's your contention that Tea Partiers are racist?

Obviously not all of them, but the ones i've seen personally certainly aren't the most accepting of people.

 

[santeesioux]

The state nickname would be "The flannel state"

The "drive through without stopping state of the West Coast". We'd have our very own midwest state out here!

 

[maxiep]

Obviously not all of them, but the ones i've seen personally certainly aren't the most accepting of people.

Yeah, I love how accepting my fellow Portlanders are of my view of limited government and personal responsibility.

 

[maxiep]

The "drive through without stopping state of the West Coast". We'd have our very own midwest state out here!

Lots of people live in "flyover country". And many love it. Besides if you did have a true limited government state on the West Coast with low taxes and little bureaucracy, it would become an economic force in short order.

 

[MarAzul]

The "drive through without stopping state of the West Coast". We'd have our very own midwest state out here!

What makes you think you can just drive through?

 

[MarAzul]

Yeah, I love how accepting my fellow Portlanders are of my view of limited government and personal responsibility.

Oh! that was a hit!

 

[oldmangrouch]

So, it's your contention that Tea Partiers are racist?

Strawman.

Tea Partiers don't have to be racist - they just have to believe that government shouldn't "interfere" with the violent extremists. The end result is the same.

 

[maxiep]

Strawman.

Tea Partiers don't have to be racist - they just have to believe that government shouldn't "interfere" with the violent extremists. The end result is the same.

Pray tell, what is that "end result"?

 

[MarAzul]

Strawman.

Tea Partiers don't have to be racist - they just have to believe that government shouldn't "interfere" with the violent extremists. The end result is the same.

Perhaps you can help me out with the end result here?

 

[blue9]

Yeah, I love how accepting my fellow Portlanders are of my view of limited government and personal responsibility.

Because it's not truly limited government. You (maybe not YOU, but the general tea partier) want to limit government's regulation of business, yet want to INCREASE government's ability to legislate personal choice. If it were the other way around I'd be right there with you - limit government's influence on personal freedoms, but ramp up their (the PEOPLE'S) ability to ensure that business is conducted in an ethical and fair manner. Sadly, there's no legitimate political movement headed in that direction.

The "Limited Government/Personal Responsibility" mumbo jumbo is also EXTREMELY shortsighted and would blow up in everyone's faces within a generation. Tell me, where does personal responsibility fit in as middle-class jobs are increasingly phased out in favor of automation? Over the past 50 years we've made up bullshit jobs to cover up for all the jobs that have disappeared. But with ever-increasing technological advancements we're going to get to the point where the vast majority of people will (a) not need to work, and (b) won't be able to work because there will be no need for it. So, as we travel down this path towards fewer and fewer jobs, but more and more people, how does limited government and personal responsibility work for the vast majority of the population? The beneficent corporations that will have prospered 1000-fold more than they currently are will see that we're taken care of?

 

[blue9]

Perhaps you can help me out with the end result here?

George Zimmerman.

 

[BlazerWookee]

Obviously not all of them, but the ones i've seen personally certainly aren't the most accepting of people.

I refuse to accept that.

Neener.

 

[MarAzul]

Because it's not truly limited government. You (maybe not YOU, but the general tea partier) want to limit government's regulation of business, yet want to INCREASE government's ability to legislate personal choice. If it were the other way around I'd be right there with you - limit government's influence on personal freedoms, but ramp up their (the PEOPLE'S) ability to ensure that business is conducted in an ethical and fair manner. Sadly, there's no legitimate political movement headed in that direction.

The "Limited Government/Personal Responsibility" mumbo jumbo is also EXTREMELY shortsighted and would blow up in everyone's faces within a generation. Tell me, where does personal responsibility fit in as middle-class jobs are increasingly phased out in favor of automation? Over the past 50 years we've made up bullshit jobs to cover up for all the jobs that have disappeared. But with ever-increasing technological advancements we're going to get to the point where the vast majority of people will (a) not need to work, and (b) won't be able to work because there will be no need for it. So, as we travel down this path towards fewer and fewer jobs, but more and more people, how does limited government and personal responsibility work for the vast majority of the population? The beneficent corporations that will have prospered 1000-fold more than they currently are will see that we're taken care of?

Hi Blue!
I haven't talked with you in some time.

Your last sentence is a little muddled to me. Am I to gather you think a prosperous company is responsible for taking care of the general population? Just because they are run by people adroit enough to turn a profit? How did you come to that sort of thinking? I guess I think it is a fair goal to want to join the ranks of folks that are skilled enough to run an enterprise that produces a profit. It never occurs to me that we should burden them with responsibilities to others outside their enterprise. But, perhaps you will enlighten me.

Oh! BTW I spent many years working to trim payroll for quite a number of companies. It often meant the difference of staying in business or not. Heck I just finished a job with a small company in SW Washington where my work has resulted in the reduction of seven full time employees. The results are not yet known whether that will be enough to keep the company profitable. We may have to have another go at it, nothing the Government is doing is helping with the issue. I could go on about the opposite view of what the government is doing to this same company, but I won't.

 

[MarAzul]

George Zimmerman.

George Zimmerman! The poor dude had a bad day. That kid that went to do Whoop ass on him was really bad. A whole lot of people let that kid down and I really don't know why that happens.
What should have happened is someone, probably Trayvon's dad should have made it known to the Neighborhood watch that Travon lived there. Second, Dad should have taught the lad that
you do not do Whoop ass on the neighborhood watch, the watch is there to help the community. It works pretty much that way with the neighborhood watch we have here where I live
I helped set that up about 10 years ago. It really has worked terrific in knocking off burglaries.

You see, George and Trayvon both had to pay the price for others not performing their responsibilities.

 

[blue9]

Hi Blue!
I haven't talked with you in some time.

Your last sentence is a little muddled to me.

I was being sarcastic with that last sentence. Of course the corporations aren't going to come to the aid of the people. Which is why government (not our current incarnation of government - but an actual government OF the people and FOR the people) is now necessary, and will become even more necessary as we progress into the future.

You're looking in the rear view mirror with your anecdotes of cost-cutting. We need to be looking ahead, at the decades in front of us where more and more jobs will be (and should be) automated. How does "personal responsibility" fit into a society where workers are no longer necessary? How does one fend for one's self/family when the resources are controlled by the corporations? We are on the cusp of an economic market where humans will not be needed except as consumers. Fast-food workers, taxi drivers, garbage collectors, accountants, even doctors will become largely obsolete in the next 100 years. Factory workers have been obsolete for decades, and are all but extinct. The number of necessary jobs is shrinking and the population is growing. We need to begin laying groundwork for a future where work is something we CHOOSE to do, not something we HAVE to do.

 

[MarAzul]

I was being sarcastic with that last sentence. Of course the corporations aren't going to come to the aid of the people. Which is why government (not our current incarnation of government - but an actual government OF the people and FOR the people) is now necessary, and will become even more necessary as we progress into the future.

You're looking in the rear view mirror with your anecdotes of cost-cutting. We need to be looking ahead, at the decades in front of us where more and more jobs will be (and should be) automated. How does "personal responsibility" fit into a society where workers are no longer necessary? How does one fend for one's self/family when the resources are controlled by the corporations? We are on the cusp of an economic market where humans will not be needed except as consumers. Fast-food workers, taxi drivers, garbage collectors, accountants, even doctors will become largely obsolete in the next 100 years. Factory workers have been obsolete for decades, and are all but extinct. The number of necessary jobs is shrinking and the population is growing. We need to begin laying groundwork for a future where work is something we CHOOSE to do, not something we HAVE to do.

And what do we do when we choose not to work or create or produce?

What?

Geez! Dang this is terrible, all I can come up with is standing in line wait for someone or thing to hand out a ration.

Geez! That won't do. I bet I can come up with some thing I can make to sell to someone that really wants it. That will beats the waiting line.

 

[BrianFromWA]

I'm already looking at property in that area, and one of the things holding me back (that it's in California) would be taken away. I'm intrigued. I highly doubt it would happen.

But after thinking about it...what do CA and OR lose, really? Not a lot of taxpaying citizens (comparatively) in those areas. Not a ton of business. Intriguing.

 

[MarAzul]

I'm already looking at property in that area, and one of the things holding me back (that it's in California) would be taken away. I'm intrigued. I highly doubt it would happen.

But after thinking about it...what do CA and OR lose, really? Not a lot of taxpaying citizens (comparatively) in those areas. Not a ton of business. Intriguing.

The Jefferson Public Radio (PBS) covers this area and have been keeping this old time initiative on the burner for years now. This seems to be all there is to it.
However I think it's a fine idea, but I am not putting any effort in the project.

 

[OneLifeToLive]

'Twould be the only "red" state on the West coast, were it to ever occur.

I would consider Idaho a west coast state and it's red.

 

[OneLifeToLive]

Do you realize how bad that is? When you don't have any checks and balances, one party or the other runs wild. When we only elect Dems, there is no balance at all. The two parties are needed to create an equilibrium. We haven't had that for decades and that's why our state is in such bad shape.

Due to the one way thinking of the people in this state. "Blue, Blue, Blue, I HAVE TO HAVE BLUE". What kind of check and balances is taking place right now?

The state is already and clearly out of control.

 

[OneLifeToLive]

I agree. There never should have been parties in the first place.

And anyone who still thinks the parties stand for your rights is a fool. They stand for money. They stand for corporations. They stand for greed and corruption. Doesn't matter if you're a dem or a repub, your party is dirty as hell.

I agree with you both. As long as we have a situation 'them' versus 'us' this country will continue to struggle.

 

[Eastoff]

I just wanted to toss this out there

 

[MarAzul]

I agree with you both. As long as we have a situation 'them' versus 'us' this country will continue to struggle.

Originally Posted by Natebishop3
I agree. There never should have been parties in the first place.

And anyone who still thinks the parties stand for your rights is a fool. They stand for money. They stand for corporations. They stand for greed and corruption. Doesn't matter if you're a dem or a repub, your party is dirty as hell.

Aimed at Nate really. sorry for the misfire onelife.

What the heck are you talking about, "the first place" There have been two opposing faction since the beginning, the revolutionist verses the Loyalist, then the Hamiltonian Federalist (Monarchist) versus the Jeffersonian. Republicans. We are not today but a stone throw away from the same ideological battle that raged 225 years ago. The parties have taken new names and swapped places as they passed through the helix of time, but the same struggle. Actually acceptance of being a Constitutional Republic with the government limited by the Constitution is the main issue now as it was then. Nate's comment pretty much identifies him as a Hamiltonian Federalist longing for the benevolent leader with nearly Monarchical control of a strong federal government.

 

[BrianFromWA]

Slightly off topic, but I was surprised that the following is Snopes-confirmed:
(EDIT: By the 100,000 shares on facebook, maybe this isn't new)

Oklahoma is the only state that Obama did not win even one county in the last election... While everyone is focusing on Arizona ’s new law, look what Oklahoma has been doing!!!!

An update from Oklahoma :

Oklahoma law passed, 37 to 9 an amendment to place the Ten Commandments on the front entrance to the state capitol. The feds in D.C., along with the ACLU, said it would be a mistake. Hey this is a conservative state, based on Christian values...! HB 1330

Guess what.......... Oklahoma did it anyway.

Oklahoma recently passed a law in the state to incarcerate all illegal immigrants, and ship them back to where they came from unless they want to get a green card and become an American citizen. They all scattered. HB 1804. This was against the advice of the Federal Government, and the ACLU, they said it would be a mistake.

Guess what.......... Oklahoma did it anyway.

Recently we passed a law to include DNA samples from any and all illegal's to the Oklahoma database, for criminal investigative purposes. Pelosi said it was unconstitutional SB 1102

Guess what......... Oklahoma did it anyway.

Several weeks ago, we passed a law, declaring Oklahoma as a Sovereign state, not under the Federal Government directives. Joining Texas , Montana and Utah as the only states to do so.

More states are likely to follow: Louisiana, Alabama, Georgia, Carolina's, Tennessee, Kentucky, Missouri, Arkansas, West Virginia, Mississippi and Florida. Save your confederate money, it appears the South is about to rise up once again. HJR 1003

The federal Government has made bold steps to take away our guns. Oklahoma, a week ago, passed a law confirming people in this state have the right to bear arms and transport them in their vehicles. I'm sure that was a setback for the criminals The Liberals didn't like it -- But....Guess what........... Oklahoma did it anyway.

Just this month, the state has voted and passed a law that ALL drivers’ license exams will be printed in English, and only English, and no other language. They have been called racist for doing this, but the fact is that ALL of the road signs are in English only. If you want to drive in Oklahoma , you must read and write English. Really simple.

By the way, the Liberals don't like any of this either

Guess what...who cares... Oklahoma is doing it anyway.

If you like it, pass it on, if you don't then delete it...Thanks

Guess what : the people I'm sending this to will send it on. Well, at least the ones who love and believe in freedom will.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Brian,

This was news here in Texas a bit ago. People applauding OK for it.

Amazing people get up in arms about arresting criminals. they are called illegal immigrants for a reason.

Also amazing people get mad when things in America are only written in English. If you want to come here it's simple. Learn the language, get a green card, and welcome to the Country. if you choose not to do those things then stay in your own fucking country

 

[maxiep]

Brian,

This was news here in Texas a bit ago. People applauding OK for it.

Amazing people get up in arms about arresting criminals. they are called illegal immigrants for a reason.

Also amazing people get mad when things in America are only written in English. If you want to come here it's simple. Learn the language, get a green card, and welcome to the Country. if you choose not to do those things then stay in your own fucking country

They are actually illegal aliens. Illegal immigrants was the first PC iteration.