Speaker John A. Boehner will resign from Congress and give up his House seat at the end of October

[3RA1N1AC]

I guess I'm fine with .001% of my taxes going to helping out millions of people.

I'm guessing the Pentagon will still have plenty of money for robot bombs and space lasers.

 

[BrianFromWA]

Well, I don't think anyone is arguing that PP is the ONLY way to get condoms lol. They sure do give a lot away though. Which is a good thing.

dviss said in Post 82 that he supports the President vetoing a budget (and saying it's the Lying Republicans' fault) b/c,
"Had federal funding not been there for Planned Parenthood who knows if I would have been able to plan when I was a parent." Not "I used PP, so it's a shame they've done this, I'm glad we still fund other places where you can get condoms.". No. It's more like "Veto a bill that will shut down a government, Mr. Pres, because we stand with PP!"

 

[3RA1N1AC]

AGAIN.... If PP is selling aborted baby parts for profit, it is 100% illegal.... END OF STORY....

This is the only thing I am concerned with. And if it's such a problem, then just suspend the abortion part of their company and focus on the other support system for women.

I don't really have a strong opinion on abortion. But I've never been pregnant either.

 

[BrianFromWA]

I guess I'm fine with .001% of my taxes going to helping out millions of people.

. That's eminently reasonable. I'd rather have our taxes go to help millions of people who aren't killing millions of people, and (allegedly) illegally and for profit. Agree to disagree, I guess.

 

[dviss1]

. That's eminently reasonable. I'd rather have our taxes go to help millions of people who aren't killing millions of people, and (allegedly) illegally and for profit. Agree to disagree, I guess.

What people seem to fail to realize is that even without abortion providers there will still be abortion. They like to ask a stupid question about preventing abortions because there's been over 40 million of them. What they never talk about is the millions of abortions that happen before it was legal. What we like to talk about is the way that those abortions were happening. They were in back alleys and by risky circumstances that ended up with poor people experiencing the main problems. All the while the rich people were flying right over to Cuba to have it done. It became a class issue. If you were rich and you could afford it, you would fly out of the country and have it done legally. If you were poor you'd have to it done in very risky circumstances that could threaten your life. Now we're getting off topic here when we're talking about abortion because that's going to be a touchy subject no matter what. The bottom line is abortion is legal and I don't have a problem with federal funding going toward it. Those of you who have a problem with where your federal funding is going don't seem to have an issue with it going toward war. When we dropped bombs to create shock and awe one would have to imagine that there are many pregnant women that died. Where were the anti abortion people then? Celebrating probably. Because most people that are "pro-life" are also pro gun, pro war, and pro capital punishment.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

Planned parenthood is basically for poor people in the inner cities, so I can see how most suburban republicans don't give a shit about all the people it helps.

. That's eminently reasonable. I'd rather have our taxes go to help millions of people who aren't killing millions of people, and (allegedly) illegally and for profit. Agree to disagree, I guess.

its kinda like me saying I'd rather have our taxes not go to the millitary because they sometimes murder millions of people. So we agree somewhat.

 

[dviss1]

If men could have babies, there would be abortion clinics like Starbucks

 

[3RA1N1AC]

Man, I shot like 1000000000 people out of my dick last night. Drowned them in the hot tub.

 

[dviss1]

dviss said in Post 82 that he supports the President vetoing a budget (and saying it's the Lying Republicans' fault) b/c,
"Had federal funding not been there for Planned Parenthood who knows if I would have been able to plan when I was a parent." Not "I used PP, so it's a shame they've done this, I'm glad we still fund other places where you can get condoms.". No. It's more like "Veto a bill that will shut down a government, Mr. Pres, because we stand with PP!"

The Republicans can put forth another bill. But they are willing to let the government shut down because of this funding. But you'd rather blame the president because it's more convenient.

 

[magnifier661]

I don't really have a strong opinion on abortion. But I've never been pregnant either.

I'm fine with abortion. I am not fine with someone breaking the law by selling aborted body parts for profit.

 

[magnifier661]

The Republicans can put forth another bill. But they are willing to let the government shut down because of this funding. But you'd rather blame the president because it's more convenient.

Are you fine with the government to fund a private entity for breaking the law? Obama vetoing the budget because of planned parenthood until after investigation is supporting that.

 

[dviss1]

Are you fine with the government to fund a private entity for breaking the law? Obama vetoing the budget because of planned parenthood until after investigation is supporting that.

Did you read Brian's post above? Click on the link. Using fetal tissue for research is lawful. You don't know what you're talking about.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

Are you fine with the government to fund a private entity for breaking the law?

I guess PP is too big to fail?

 

[BrianFromWA]

The Republicans can put forth another bill. But they are willing to let the government shut down because of this funding. But you'd rather blame the president because it's more convenient.

I'd rather the President didn't "stand with PP" and pass a budget that both parts of Congress agree on and move on our way. But he doesn't want to. So....

The part I'm missing here (legitimately--not a dig on anyone) is why you are ok with the government shutting down over PP? Especially since (if?) that 500M is just redirected to other health care providers? I know for a fact that PP are not the only clinics in poor or urban areas. What exactly does PP do that someone else doesn't or can't?

 

[dviss1]

I'd rather the President didn't "stand with PP" and pass a budget that both parts of Congress agree on and move on our way. But he doesn't want to. So....

The part I'm missing here (legitimately--not a dig on anyone) is why you are ok with the government shutting down over PP? Especially since (if?) that 500M is just redirected to other health care providers? I know for a fact that PP are not the only clinics in poor or urban areas. What exactly does PP do that someone else doesn't or can't?

I'm not ever okay with the government shutting down. But to say that this funding is causing a shutdown is a false choice in my opinion.

 

[barfo]

Fine. I don't know a thing about gerrymandering. Which is why I said I didn't believe you, but I'd give you the pass on it because you seemed to know something I didn't. I think it's amazing that you think that the R's found a trick to get 40 seats into the hands of Tea Partiers, but I don't know so I don't take an uninformed stand. However, I do know that the Senate D's have lost 16 seats since they had a super-majority, and that there have been no gerrymandered states. So my uninformed conclusion is to think that, even if you were right that the only possible way that those "Lying Republican" Teabagging tricksters were able to hoodwink the good liberal public was to cheat on gerrymandering, what possible explanation can you have for the D's losing fully a third of the seats in the Senate in less than 5 years?

What possible explanation can you have for Obama getting reelected?

I don't think it is reasonable to claim that the will of the people is expressed only via the congress, and therefore the president should just sign whatever the congress passes. That's not the way the system works.

barfo

 

[BrianFromWA]

I'll rephrase, since I don't think I said it the right way. What is stopping you, dviss, from (hypothetically) writing the President and saying something to the effect of "Sir, I'm a big fan, but really, just sign the budget that gives PP's money to other health clinics and let's move on"?

 

[dviss1]

Why are you okay with our budget funding so much war that definitely kills pregnant women?

 

[dviss1]

I'll rephrase, since I don't think I said it the right way. What is stopping you, dviss, from (hypothetically) writing the President and saying something to the effect of "Sir, I'm a big fan, but really, just sign the budget that gives PP's money to other health clinics and let's move on"?

How don't you know the answer to this question? I've already told you that I fully support Planned Parenthood and I fully support the president supporting Planned Parenthood. You have already gotten your answer. I even said that I support federal funding going toward abortion. There are too many people on this fucking planet.

 

[BrianFromWA]

What possible explanation can you have for Obama getting reelected?

I don't think it is reasonable to claim that the will of the people is expressed only via the congress, and therefore the president should just sign whatever the congress passes. That's not the way the system works.

barfo

Binders full of women and 47%.

And you're right, except that there was a clear mandate (the House electing 40 TeaPartiers/Freedom Caucus and the Senate losing 16 seats in 4 years) that the policies pushed by the 2009-10 government were not the will of the people.

 

[BrianFromWA]

Why are you okay with our budget funding so much war that definitely kills pregnant women?

Because no one else has a problem with it. Including the President and most of Congress.

 

[riverman]

If anything has saved this country money, it's Planned Parenthood..if you think about it we could easily have a billion plus population now were it not for its contributions

 

[BrianFromWA]

How don't you know the answer to this question? I've already told you that I fully support Planned Parenthood and I fully support the president supporting Planned Parenthood. You have already gotten your answer. I even said that I support federal funding going toward abortion. There are too many people on this fucking planet.

So you're doubling down against reason, even in the face of being shown that you weren't correct in your assessment that defunding PP will definitely lead to more unwanted pregnancies among the poor? I think we're done here then, right?

 

[dviss1]

Because no one else has a problem with it. Including the President and most of Congress.

In my opinion it's hypocritical to say that you are against abortion and federal funding going toward that if you are okay with federal funding going towar.

 

[BrianFromWA]

If anything has saved this country money, it's Planned Parenthood..if you think about it we could easily have a billion plus population now were it not for its contributions

To be fair, they've only killed about 50M babies (last I checked), so you can't put it all on them...

 

[3RA1N1AC]

Because no one else has a problem with it. Including the President and most of Congress.

So if they were all for abortion you should be too. Makes sense.

 

[BrianFromWA]

In my opinion it's hypocritical to say that you are against abortion and federal funding going toward that if you are okay with federal funding going towar.

You've shown that you're not rational about PP and abortion, so it doesn't really matter to me. And if you don't see the difference between protection and aggression, I can't help you. To give you more fuel, I'm for expanding the death penalty.

 

[barfo]

Binders full of women and 47%.

And you're right, except that there was a clear mandate (the House electing 40 TeaPartiers/Freedom Caucus and the Senate losing 16 seats in 4 years) that the policies pushed by the 2009-10 government were not the will of the people.

If there was really that much of a mandate, Obama would have lost reelection in a landslide.

When the balance of power in congress changes again, will you conclude that the American people disagree with everything that you and the republicans stand for?

barfo

 

[MarAzul]

most people that are "pro-life" are also pro gun, pro war, and pro capital punishment.

Did you pull this connection out of your arse or do you have link?

Pro gun, yeah, you bet. Pro War, who the hell is? Capital punishment, yeah, without remorse. Pro-life, you bet, but as a practical matter, I differ with the republicans, as I would fund an abortion clinic everywhere they the locals want one. It reduces the liberal Democrat population mostly, at a rate of around 92 to 1.

 

[riverman]

Pro

To be fair, they've only killed about 50M babies (last I checked), so you can't put it all on them...

That's only an abortion stat, not a contraception or educational one.