Spoiled liberal thinks he's above the law

[PtldPlatypus]

I am admitting the woman is paid to do her job and she did. Any extra time is both insignificant and irrelevant.

The guy was within his rights. He's not the first to pay a ticket in pennies, and he won't be the last.

Being within ones rights and doing something that others have and will done doesn't negate the fact of his rudeness. I don't see how that's debatable.

 

[Sedatedfork]

I would have told that little prick that in order for this to be closed, policy is I have to count it back to you

And then keep losing your count and start over lol

 

[Denny Crane]

Within his rights but still an asshole.

I'm sure it wasn't 2 minutes either. He dumped out the coins, she had to pick them up and put them back in the buckets. Then someone has to go to a local coinstar, not one on site, and coinstar keeps a cut of that money too I believe. He still paid the government the money, as you pointed out, so he didn't get one over on them. All he did was make her day worse. The fact that she works there or comcast or anywhere else where people are mean to her all day shouldn't matter, are you a dick to people just becuase others are too? Those are the folks I try to be especially nice and patient with becuase they've probably already had a rough day.

I made no comment about him being an asshole or not.

He's within his rights.

He made the news.

His complaint was heard.

The woman can go back to filing her nails or whatever she does when there's nobody in line.

 

[Mediocre Man]

And then keep losing your count and start over lol

Every damn time he made a peep

 

[Natebishop3]

On the one hand, I don't think you can ignore the fact that police have become a revenue stream for government, and that was never their intended job.

The government, whether it's the Feds, or just a small town, make money off of law enforcement. Either it's millions upon millions of dollars from drug enforcement seizures, or it's a traffic cam, policing has become profitable.

So if someone were to want to demonstrate against police revenuing, I'm not going to fault them. And this would be one of the only ways to do it. Fighting it in court isn't going to do anything. The Judge is on the payroll. That's basically Roger Goodell deciding if his own punishment for Tom Brady was a just punishment. They're not unbiased at all. They're part of the machine.

Sometimes the people on the front lines have to take the heat. I have been that person answering the phone, taking the abuse, and you know what? It works. If someone called up and pushed the right buttons, they get a manager and they get what they want. That's how our society works. The squeaky wheel gets the grease.

 

[rasheedfan2005]

On the one hand, I don't think you can ignore the fact that police have become a revenue stream for government, and that was never their intended job.

The government, whether it's the Feds, or just a small town, make money off of law enforcement. Either it's millions upon millions of dollars from drug enforcement seizures, or it's a traffic cam, policing has become profitable.

So if someone were to want to demonstrate against police revenuing, I'm not going to fault them. And this would be one of the only ways to do it. Fighting it in court isn't going to do anything. The Judge is on the payroll. That's basically Roger Goodell deciding if his own punishment for Tom Brady was a just punishment. They're not unbiased at all. They're part of the machine.

Sometimes the people on the front lines have to take the heat. I have been that person answering the phone, taking the abuse, and you know what? It works. If someone called up and pushed the right buttons, they get a manager and they get what they want. That's how our society works. The squeaky wheel gets the grease.

When i did tech support on the phone and someone was a complete fuck up i just walked them through shit they didnt need so i could be on the call all day and not have to think. If it was an ass hole id purposely waste their time. But i am a true ass hole, but only to those who deserve it.

 

[Further]

He was a jerk. A jerk who was within his rights, but a jerk.

I guess the problem I have is (true at comcast too) the clerk has no power, she didn't make the rules, she didn't write the ticket, she didn't scold the man, she didn't do anything accept take a very low-level job to most likely help take care of her family. Sure, you could say she can find another job, and that may (or may not) be true, but regardless, it's still taking out the aggravations on someone who has zero authority either before or after the fact. She was even nice.

The penny guy has the right to his free speech, just like a neo-nazi has a right to tattoo swastika's on his forehead. Both are dicks, and the first amendment might give them the right to state their opinion, but that doesn't mean their opinions are 1) correct, 2) expressed properly. In this case, penny-man might be right that it's policing for profit, but he should find a way to protest to those who have influence. Go to court, pour the pennies on the mayors lawn, write to every reporter, carry a sign outside the price station.... But don't be mean to someone who has no say.

 

[Denny Crane]

He was a jerk. A jerk who was within his rights, but a jerk.

I guess the problem I have is (true at comcast too) the clerk has no power, she didn't make the rules, she didn't write the ticket, she didn't scold the man, she didn't do anything accept take a very low-level job to most likely help take care of her family. Sure, you could say she can find another job, and that may (or may not) be true, but regardless, it's still taking out the aggravations on someone who has zero authority either before or after the fact. She was even nice.

The penny guy has the right to his free speech, just like a neo-nazi has a right to tattoo swastika's on his forehead. Both are dicks, and the first amendment might give them the right to state their opinion, but that doesn't mean their opinions are 1) correct, 2) expressed properly. In this case, penny-man might be right that it's policing for profit, but he should find a way to protest to those who have influence. Go to court, pour the pennies on the mayors lawn, write to every reporter, carry a sign outside the price station.... But don't be mean to someone who has no say.

This. I'd add that if enough people pay in pennies, it would get more attention from the bureaucrats.

 

[Natebishop3]

He was a jerk. A jerk who was within his rights, but a jerk.

I guess the problem I have is (true at comcast too) the clerk has no power, she didn't make the rules, she didn't write the ticket, she didn't scold the man, she didn't do anything accept take a very low-level job to most likely help take care of her family. Sure, you could say she can find another job, and that may (or may not) be true, but regardless, it's still taking out the aggravations on someone who has zero authority either before or after the fact. She was even nice.

The penny guy has the right to his free speech, just like a neo-nazi has a right to tattoo swastika's on his forehead. Both are dicks, and the first amendment might give them the right to state their opinion, but that doesn't mean their opinions are 1) correct, 2) expressed properly. In this case, penny-man might be right that it's policing for profit, but he should find a way to protest to those who have influence. Go to court, pour the pennies on the mayors lawn, write to every reporter, carry a sign outside the price station.... But don't be mean to someone who has no say.

Usually you have to talk to the clerk before you can be escalated to a supervisor or a manger.

 

[Further]

This. I'd add that if enough people pay in pennies, it would get more attention from the bureaucrats.

Perhaps it would, but even so he can do it in a nicer way. 1) he doesn't need to dump the pennies on the floor. 2) He could explain his action so the protest was noted. 3) He can actually say something nice to the clerk and not run away like a punk at the end. 4) He could detail in a letter or somewhere why this ticket is an example of policing for profit and not just a petty man who thinks he's above the law. Protesting can work, and it is true that inconveniencing others can get the attention of the bureaucrats, for example when large protests go onto the bridges or into traffic to make sure their actions impede the flow of the city. But I just think both cases are mean to everyday people and I want nothing to do with those asshats. Going out of ones way to ruin another persons day is dickish egomania in most cases.

 

[Further]

Usually you have to talk to the clerk before you can be escalated to a supervisor or a manger.

I paid a ticket very recently, went to the clerk, asked to speak to the judge and was immediately sent in. Granted, that was in Walla Walla, and small town life is different, but in either case you don't need to be a dick to the clerk. You can lodge a complaint in a nice way. In that case you at least get a chance to talk to someone higher up. Dumping pennies and running away without explanation doesn't get any chance at finding someone with sway or power.

 

[Natebishop3]

I paid a ticket very recently, went to the clerk, asked to speak to the judge and was immediately sent in. Granted, that was in Walla Walla, and small town life is different, but in either case you don't need to be a dick to the clerk. You can lodge a complaint in a nice way. In that case you at least get a chance to talk to someone higher up. Dumping pennies and running away without explanation doesn't get any chance at finding someone with sway or power.

From my experience, the chances of a judge throwing out a ticket are slim to none. They're part of the machine.

 

[Denny Crane]

Perhaps it would, but even so he can do it in a nicer way. 1) he doesn't need to dump the pennies on the floor. 2) He could explain his action so the protest was noted. 3) He can actually say something nice to the clerk and not run away like a punk at the end. 4) He could detail in a letter or somewhere why this ticket is an example of policing for profit and not just a petty man who thinks he's above the law. Protesting can work, and it is true that inconveniencing others can get the attention of the bureaucrats, for example when large protests go onto the bridges or into traffic to make sure their actions impede the flow of the city. But I just think both cases are mean to everyday people and I want nothing to do with those asshats. Going out of ones way to ruin another persons day is dickish egomania in most cases.

He made a viral youtube video. He didn't have to write anything down.

The woman is famous!

 

[SlyPokerDog]

We should pay our S2 membership fees in pennies.

 

[Further]

From my experience, the chances of a judge throwing out a ticket are slim to none. They're part of the machine.

And what's the chance of getting out of a ticket if you dump out the money in pennies and run?


I do understand what he was doing, and I don't have a problem with the point. I just have a problem with him being a dick

 

[Natebishop3]

And what's the chance of getting out of a ticket if you dump out the money in pennies and run?


I do understand what he was doing, and I don't have a problem with the point. I just have a problem with him being a dick

You aren't getting out of the ticket, that's the point.

I'm not talking about him specifically. I'm saying that if you wanted to protest the revenuing that towns/cities do through their police departments, this could be one way to do it. It's non-violent. It makes a statement. He's obviously getting attention.

You guys are hung up on him being a dick. I'm fine with him being a dick. He didn't berate her. Do you know how many times someone yelled at me when I was a customer service rep on the phone? It ruins your day. Some guy dumping pennies is much preferred to being screamed at. Sorry. He didn't get violent. He didn't break things. He was pissed so he paid his fine in the most passive aggressive way possible. I'm fine with that.

Did you hear the story of the guy who had a Bank of America branch closed down because they wouldn't leave him alone?
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/bank...closed-angry-homeowner-bofa/story?id=13775638

That guy kept people from getting to work. Was he being a dick? Those people I'm sure were counting on those jobs, and they couldn't work while things were sorted out. He cost people money that I'm sure they needed to live.

 

[rasheedfan2005]

And what's the chance of getting out of a ticket if you dump out the money in pennies and run?


I do understand what he was doing, and I don't have a problem with the point. I just have a problem with him being a dick

He said in the video he went to court and a jury found him guilty. At that point there isnt anything you can do. He was being a whiney cunt becahse even a jury of his peers said he was in the wrong.

 

[Further]

You aren't getting out of the ticket, that's the point.

I'm not talking about him specifically. I'm saying that if you wanted to protest the revenuing that towns/cities do through their police departments, this could be one way to do it. It's non-violent. It makes a statement. He's obviously getting attention.

You guys are hung up on him being a dick. I'm fine with him being a dick. He didn't berate her. Do you know how many times someone yelled at me when I was a customer service rep on the phone? It ruins your day. Some guy dumping pennies is much preferred to being screamed at. Sorry. He didn't get violent. He didn't break things. He was pissed so he paid his fine in the most passive aggressive way possible. I'm fine with that.

Did you hear the story of the guy who had a Bank of America branch closed down because they wouldn't leave him alone?
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/bank...closed-angry-homeowner-bofa/story?id=13775638

That guy kept people from getting to work. Was he being a dick? Those people I'm sure were counting on those jobs, and they couldn't work while things were sorted out. He cost people money that I'm sure they needed to live.

I admit its a grey area. Yes, those people at the bank were in limbo for a few, but i suppose there is a difference in my mind since one action (at the bank) had the possibility of a result and the other (pennies) didn't. But I am sure you can find other examples that I would support that might not affect change but I'd still agree with, but overall the tie goes to the non-dick. You aren't wrong, it's a difference of opinion between us. As I said, I understand what he was doing, I just don't like it and I think there are many actions he could have taken that would have been more focused on those with power (just like the bank actions were directed at people with power).

 

[Natebishop3]

I admit its a grey area. Yes, those people at the bank were in limbo for a few, but i suppose there is a difference in my mind since one action (at the bank) had the possibility of a result and the other (pennies) didn't. But I am sure you can find other examples that I would support that might not affect change but I'd still agree with, but overall the tie goes to the non-dick. You aren't wrong, it's a difference of opinion between us. As I said, I understand what he was doing, I just don't like it and I think there are many actions he could have taken that would have been more focused on those with power (just like the bank actions were directed at people with power).

Seriously though, you said that you've worked in customer service. Which would you prefer from an angry customer:

Option A) Angry customer screams at you for 10 to 15 minutes and calls you mean names. Threatens to talk to your manager.

Option B) Angry customer drops off a bunch of pennies that you can run through a machine and leaves without a confrontation?

 

[Further]

He said in the video he went to court and a jury found him guilty. At that point there isnt anything you can do. He was being a whiney cunt becahse even a jury of his peers said he was in the wrong.

He did go 9 mph over in a 30mph zone, right? I watched one video briefly yesterday, so perhaps he gave reasons why this was not worthy of a ticket. And yes, that could have been (and most likely was) policing for profit, but it could also be that he was dangerous. In my last neighborhood there was a 25mph road with bunches of kids playing on it and some of the parents would call and complain frequently about speeders, including those going 5mph over. I don't know the circumstances. But douche be a douche! 22,000 pennies for your thoughts?

 

[Further]

Seriously though, you said that you've worked in customer service. Which would you prefer from an angry customer:

Option A) Angry customer screams at you for 10 to 15 minutes and calls you mean names. Threatens to talk to your manager.

Option B) Angry customer drops off a bunch of pennies that you can run through a machine and leaves without a confrontation?

It's not an either or.

 

[Natebishop3]

He did go 9 mph over in a 30mph zone, right? I watched one video briefly yesterday, so perhaps he gave reasons why this was not worthy of a ticket. And yes, that could have been (and most likely was) policing for profit, but it could also be that he was dangerous. In my last neighborhood there was a 25mph road with bunches of kids playing on it and some of the parents would call and complain frequently about speeders, including those going 5mph over. I don't know the circumstances. But douche be a douche! 22,000 pennies for your thoughts?

Haven't you ever heard the 9 mph rule!?! As long as you're not going 10 mph over the limit, you're safe! I wonder if he tried that defense in court.

 

[Natebishop3]

It's not an either or.

When someone is THIS upset that they go to this much trouble, it certainly is an either/or.

Hell, someone THAT upset might just decide to shoot up the office. You never know. My point is, this is easily the least confrontational option for a guy that clearly has anger issues.

 

[rasheedfan2005]

He did go 9 mph over in a 30mph zone, right? I watched one video briefly yesterday, so perhaps he gave reasons why this was not worthy of a ticket. And yes, that could have been (and most likely was) policing for profit, but it could also be that he was dangerous. In my last neighborhood there was a 25mph road with bunches of kids playing on it and some of the parents would call and complain frequently about speeders, including those going 5mph over. I don't know the circumstances. But douche be a douche! 22,000 pennies for your thoughts?

I drive under the speed limit in my neighborhood. Lots of kids with shitty parents let them play in the street way too young. Sure, it inconveniences me slightly but i would hate to hit a kid, regardless of whose fault it would be. People like to say speed limits are too low ect. But that doesnt change the fact speeding is speeding. If the limit is posted it's the limit. People should really learn to slow down in all aspects of life, but our society is built around being a self absorbed wiener.

 

[rasheedfan2005]

Seriously though, you said that you've worked in customer service. Which would you prefer from an angry customer:

Option A) Angry customer screams at you for 10 to 15 minutes and calls you mean names. Threatens to talk to your manager.

Option B) Angry customer drops off a bunch of pennies that you can run through a machine and leaves without a confrontation?

In my line of work i deal with the screamers all day. Im a rare breed that fucking loves the tears though. It's because i truly dont care about the person crying. The more you cuss at me and threaten my life, the more victorious i feel. I live for that shit.

 

[Natebishop3]

I drive under the speed limit in my neighborhood. Lots of kids with shitty parents let them play in the street way too young. Sure, it inconveniences me slightly but i would hate to hit a kid, regardless of whose fault it would be. People like to say speed limits are too low ect. But that doesnt change the fact speeding is speeding. If the limit is posted it's the limit. People should really learn to slow down in all aspects of life, but our society is built around being a self absorbed wiener.

When I'm driving through my neighborhood, I go the speed limit (which is 25) and I can't believe how many people tailgate me. It's a freaking neighborhood people! Who raised these assholes?

 

[barfo]

In my line of work i deal with the screamers all day. Im a rare breed that fucking loves the tears though. It's because i truly dont care about the person crying. The more you cuss at me and threaten my life, the more victorious i feel. I live for that shit.

Where do you work? I'd like to make sure I never go near the place.

barfo

 

[rasheedfan2005]

Where do you work? I'd like to make sure I never go near the place.

barfo

I cant say, but i can assure you, you do indeed want to stay away

 

[jlprk]

You do "electrical engineering" for the CIA?

 

[Fez Hammersticks]