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MrJayremmie said:
Anyway, would you guys do that Raef trade for David Lee and then build a package around Rudy and Aldridge and Bayless and try to get a Devin Harris type player?

Harris, Roy, ?, Lee, Oden
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i would do that..i would offer them something crazy like

batum outlaw rudy bayless kop freeland joel for devin harris lol
 
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The Nets would trade Harris and a 1st for Roy... who is better than Harris and is younger. I'm pretty sure almost every GM would take Roy over Harris.
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1) Roy is not better than Harris.

2) Harris is the best scoring point guard in the league and very soon will be in his prime.
 
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JE said:
I sure am. Harris > Roy.
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Who are you again? Harris isn't better then Roy? Roy is a top 5-10 player in the NBA right now. I'm not sure NJ would make the trade but Thorn probably wouldn't make the trade for anybody but Lebron. You talk about people over valuing their players then you have to talk about Thorn. Harris is a good player but not great. He is close to top 10 PG in the league but Roy is a the top 10 players in the NBA.
 
1) Roy is not better than Harris.

2) Harris is the best scoring point guard in the league and very soon will be in his prime.
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LOL! OK. You think more GMs would take Harris over Roy? Roy is the better leader. Isn't Roy scoring more than Harris? Roy is the leader of a team at #4 in teh west with the youngest playing rotation in the NBA... oh and he is YOUNGER. Go check the main board... there is a thread on the main board of Harris/Roy and Roy had like 75%-80% of the vote. Roy is the 3rd best SG in the NBA, and you have seen what he has done in that past 2 all-star games while Harris just got to his 1st at age 25 (and lets be serious about the competition at the PG position out east...) and Roy has been to 2 in his first 3 years by the age of 24 with a ROY award. Should we compare the games Roy and Harris had during the all-star games? Did you watch the game when Portland went to NJ earlier in the year? Harris got outplayed by Jerryd Bayless...

Your arguement is Harris > Roy... ok...

Now there is a possibilty that you are saying this to get under people's skin, which you can't count out since you seem to have a little bitterness in ya toward the Blazer fan base. Meh... I actually hope you are joking.
 
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Tortimer said:
Who are you again? Harris isn't better then Roy? Roy is a top 5-10 player in the NBA right now.
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I'm not sure NJ would make the trade but Thorn probably wouldn't make the trade for anybody but Lebron. You talk about people over valuing their players then you have to talk about Thorn. Harris is a good player but not great. He is close to top 10 PG in the league but Roy is a the top 10 players in the NBA.
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Harris is CLOSE to being a top 10 point guard?

Chris Paul, Steve Nash, Deron Williams... who else is better than Harris? Don't say Steve Blake.
 
I don't see how the Spurs could trade for RJeff. I don't see why the Blazers would trade for Vince. I could definitely see the Blazers making a move for RJeff, however, he looks like a good fit.

I'm not sure about RJeff vs. Gerald Wallace. I think the Blazers might prefer RJeff because he's got a rep as a hard worker and good teammate, and can actually shoot a three pointer. But Wallace is two years younger, which is something important.
 
JE said:
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Harris is CLOSE to being a top 10 point guard?

Chris Paul, Steve Nash, Deron Williams... who else is better than Harris? Don't say Steve Blake.
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If you think all those guys you listed are better then Roy I don't need to even post anymore. I will just let you live in your fantasy world were Harris is better then Roy.
 
Tony Parker is better... IDK if i'd say Steve Nash is better... I think Harris has been better this year. In my book Harris is a top 5 PG, but Rose will pass him up soon enough.

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The bold are really the only ones i'd for sure take over Roy... other than those 7, you have 8-10 as a toss up, and i'd put Roy as one of those 3 positions.

And LOL at putting Carmelo in there.

We are going on how good they are RIGHT NOW, not their reputation or the last 3 years even... Isn't Roy like a top 8 PER player? He was above Kobe for a while, IDK if he is anymore.
 
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alex42083 said:
So Houston, New Orleans, Utah, Dallas and Phoenix are lotto teams too?
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In case you haven't been paying attention, currently Phoenix and Utah would be in the lotto right now.

New Orleans with their changes may very well be a lotto team, if the Chandler trade impacts them badly. They weren't playing that well with him, and I don't think the trade was an upgrade in talent, but it does give them more depth.

There are only 8 spots. Somebody has to lose out, and for the past several years it has been the Blazers. Considering that Phoenix played really badly to start the year, and Utah was injury riddled, it would not surprise me at all if they pull their shit together and knock Portland out.
 
JE said:
LeBron James Kobe Bryant Chris Paul Dwyane Wade Dwight Howard Tim Duncan Kevin Garnett Paul Pierce Dirk Nowitzki Chris Bosh Carmelo Anthony Deron Williams Amare Stoudemire Yao Ming wat thanks for playing.



Harris is CLOSE to being a top 10 point guard?

Chris Paul, Steve Nash, Deron Williams... who else is better than Harris? Don't say Steve Blake.
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Ever heard of Tony Parker?
 
OK, top PGs...

Paul, Williams...

Billups, Parker...

Nash, Harris, Rose...

Calderon, Davis, Arenas, blah blah blah...

So I guess he is borderline top 5... anywhere from 4-6... He is probably number 4 or 5 now, but Rose will pass him up to number 4 next year, and he may hold number 5 while Nash slides down to 6. But as you can tell, most of the best PGs are in the West... probably 4 of the top 5.
 
hasoos said:
In case you haven't been paying attention, currently Phoenix and Utah would be in the lotto right now.

New Orleans with their changes may very well be a lotto team, if the Chandler trade impacts them badly. They weren't playing that well with him, and I don't think the trade was an upgrade in talent, but it does give them more depth.

There are only 8 spots. Somebody has to lose out, and for the past several years it has been the Blazers. Considering that Phoenix played really badly to start the year, and Utah was injury riddled, it would not surprise me at all if they pull their shit together and knock Portland out.
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All right. I guess we suck then. I'm prepared for a total Blazers meltdown this second half of the season, while seeing these other teams losing their top players knock us out.

And actually Phoenix is the team left out, not them and Utah. And in the literal sense, the Suns are a lotto team I guess. I just took mixum's interpretation of calling us a lotto team as that we suck.
 
MrJayremmie said:
LOL! OK. You think more GMs would take Harris over Roy?
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Yes, I know I would.

Roy is the better leader.
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Pure conjecture. Considering how the Nets and Blazers were projected to do at the start of the season, and how they're doing now, with the talent/players they're doing it with, I'd say Harris is every bit the leader that Roy is.

Roy is younger.
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Devin Harris is 26 next month. Stupid argument.

Isn't Roy scoring more than Harris?
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1 more point a game.

Roy is the leader of a team at #4 in teh west with the youngest playing rotation in the NBA
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Thats fine. Harris is the leader of a team filled with random veteran role players and draft busts that is in the playoff chase after being projected to be a bottom five team in the league (he only plays with two other decent players).

... oh and he is YOUNGER.
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lol

Go check the main board... there is a thread on the main board of Harris/Roy and Roy had like 75%-80% of the vote.
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If you knew that you had a completely valid argument, would you really need to point me in the direction of other message board posters and say 'see? they agree with me!'? You can do better than that, can't you?

Roy is the 3rd best SG in the NBA,
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4th. Kevin Martin. Scores more. Hey, its your own argument.

and you have seen what he has done in that past 2 all-star games while Harris just got to his 1st at age 24 and Roy has been to 2 in his first 3 years by the age of 24 with a ROY award. Should we compare the games Roy and Harris had during the all-star games?
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roflberries :lol:

Did you watch the game when Portland went to NJ earlier in the year? Harris got outplayed by Jerryd Bayless...
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Did you watch the game when the Celtics went to Golden State earlier in the year? Ray Allen got outplayed by Marco Belinelli.

Your arguement is Harris > Roy... ok...
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Very good.
 
RoyToy said:
Ever heard of Tony Parker?
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Did I forget Parker? Whoops. I also forgot Billups and Nash from the looks of things.


Ah well. That still puts Harris in 7th, comfortably in the top ten.
 
Tortimer said:
If you think all those guys you listed are better then Roy I don't need to even post anymore. I will just let you live in your fantasy world were Harris is better then Roy.
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lol

Denial in its most blatant form.
 
4th. Kevin Martin. Scores more. Hey, its your own argument.
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Wasn't it your arguement that Harris is one of the best PGs in the NBA because he is the best scoring PG in the NBA? it wasn't my arguement, I was just pointing out that Roy scores more, on a team that has plenty of scoring options, is younger, has gone to 2 all star games and is averaging 16.5 ppg, 5apg, and around 7rpg in those 2 games, while Harris has been to one and done nothing. In Roy's 3 years he has 1 ROY and 2 All-star appearnaces.

Devin Harris is 26 next month. Stupid argument.
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A stupid arguement because Roy is 1 and 1/2 years younger and has accomplished much more in his 3 years in the NBA than Harris has in longer? Or that Roy is doing better this year statistically and is on a better team? Hmmm...

Pure conjecture. Considering how the Nets and Blazers were projected to do at the start of the season, and how they're doing now, with the talent/players they're doing it with, I'd say Harris is every bit the leader that Roy is.
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Or you can flip that around and say Harris is getting his stats because he is playing on an average team that centers everything around him.

1 more point a game.
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So Harris's best attribute is scoring, and he doesn't even score as much as Roy, yet he is the better player?

Thats fine. Harris is the leader of a team filled with random veteran role players and draft busts that is in the playoff chase after being projected to be a bottom five team in the league (he only plays with two other decent players).
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Which allows him to inflate his statistics, while Roy has his team at #4 in the MUCH harder Western conference. Last year, if the Blazers were in the east they would be in the playoffs. You will make the playoffs at .500 in the east, which is what the Nets are aiming for.

If you knew that you had a completely valid argument, would you really need to point me in the direction of other message board posters and say 'see? they agree with me!'? You can do better than that, can't you?
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I'm simply pointing to the fact that you are in the minority, nothing more. And simply stating that your trade proposal is laughable.

roflberries
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So you laugh when you got nothing?

Did you watch the game when the Celtics went to Golden State earlier in the year? Ray Allen got outplayed by Marco Belinelli.
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And if Harris outplayed Roy you could make the same arguement. But Allen has been the better player all year, which means if he were to outplay Marco, it wouldn't be a big deal, which is similar to what roy did... went into NJ and took care of business, showing he was the best player on the floor.

Very good.
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Thanks.
 
MrJayremmie said:
The bold are really the only ones i'd for sure take over Roy... other than those 7, you have 8-10 as a toss up, and i'd put Roy as one of those 3 positions.
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So Paul Pierce, Chris Bosh, and Amare Stoudemire are in a dead heat with Brandon Roy? Epic fail.

And LOL at putting Carmelo in there.
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If Carmelo doesn't deserve to be there, Roy sure as hell doesn't.

We are going on how good they are RIGHT NOW, not their reputation or the last 3 years even... Isn't Roy like a top 8 PER player? He was above Kobe for a while, IDK if he is anymore.
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OK let's use the PER metric. Whoops, now Carlos Boozer is better than Brandon Roy. Does that sound right and accurate?
 
Here are a couple of interesting articles saying a deal for RJ and the Blazers is going to happen or very close:


http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_y...F?slug=aw-tradebuzz021709&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

The Milwaukee Bucks have told teams their closer to moving Richard Jefferson to the Portland Trail Blazers for a package that includes Travis Outlaw and Raef LaFrentz, one Eastern Conference executive said.



http://blogs.nypost.com/sports/nets/archives/2009/02/rj_moving_the_f.html

Sources say Jefferson and Luke Ridnour likely are headed from Milwaukee to Portland for a package including Raef LaFrentz' expiring contract and Travis Outlaw, two components that were part of a proposed Nets deal.
 
Include Sergio dammit, especially if Ridnour is coming back.
 
Tortimer said:
Here are a couple of interesting articles saying a deal for RJ and the Blazers is going to happen or very close:


http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_y...F?slug=aw-tradebuzz021709&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

The Milwaukee Bucks have told teams their closer to moving Richard Jefferson to the Portland Trail Blazers for a package that includes Travis Outlaw and Raef LaFrentz, one Eastern Conference executive said.



http://blogs.nypost.com/sports/nets/archives/2009/02/rj_moving_the_f.html

Sources say Jefferson and Luke Ridnour likely are headed from Milwaukee to Portland for a package including Raef LaFrentz' expiring contract and Travis Outlaw, two components that were part of a proposed Nets deal.
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what...sergio or blake have to be involved...blake, rid, sergio, and bayless?
 
Ha ha ha that would be hilarious. Blake traded to Milwaukee...again...
 
Tortimer said:
Here are a couple of interesting articles saying a deal for RJ and the Blazers is going to happen or very close:


http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_y...F?slug=aw-tradebuzz021709&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

The Milwaukee Bucks have told teams their closer to moving Richard Jefferson to the Portland Trail Blazers for a package that includes Travis Outlaw and Raef LaFrentz, one Eastern Conference executive said.



http://blogs.nypost.com/sports/nets/archives/2009/02/rj_moving_the_f.html

Sources say Jefferson and Luke Ridnour likely are headed from Milwaukee to Portland for a package including Raef LaFrentz' expiring contract and Travis Outlaw, two components that were part of a proposed Nets deal.
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what about backup PF too?
 
So Paul Pierce, Chris Bosh, and Amare Stoudemire are in a dead heat with Brandon Roy? Epic fail.
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Again, I think any GM would take Roy over those 3. Amare isn't that good in a system that isn't uptempo which tends to inflate statistics. Roy puts up his stats in the slowest offensive tempo in the NBA. And he still scores more than your boy at a more efficient rate (FG% by about 3%) :)

If Carmelo doesn't deserve to be there, Roy sure as hell doesn't.
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I guess the coaches didn't think so over the all-star break... Melo isn't even teh best player on his own team, bud.

OK let's use the PER metric. Whoops, now Carlos Boozer is better than Brandon Roy. Does that sound right and accurate?
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Boozer isn't the best player on his own team, AND we arne't comparing Boozer and Roy, but rather Roy and Harris. But I suppose instead of trying to argue Harris v Roy you can try and disprove a statistical measurement.
 
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