Stars aligning for Sergio?

[andalusian]

I disagree with the bold, but completely agree with the last sentence.

In the season Steve Nash turned 25 (his third in the league), he shot 36% from the field while playing, well, Nash-level defense and an A/TO lower than Sergio's. I'm pretty sure you could've said "At this point, we've seen enough to know that Nash will never be a star NBA PG". I'm not saying that Sergio = Nash, but he does have an elite skill that is not commonplace in the NBA, while being poor in two aspects of the game (shooting and defense) that can be worked on. While being 2 years younger than Nash was before his transformation.

In this year, Nash was getting used to a new system and a new coach in a new team. The year before that he had a PER of 15.6 (something Sergio never achieved), TS% of 0.556 (Sergio never cracked the .500 mark, it was the 2nd time Nash did) and a win-score of 4.8 - Sergio, in his entire 3 years has accumulated a win-score of 2.3 which is less than half of what Nash accumulated by himself in his 2nd year...

Also remember that the 3rd year you talk about for Nash is the shortened season where the guys came to play after a long time off - so he never really got the time to get used to his new situation. A year after that, with the extra time to get used to his new system his TS% went up to a fantastic 0.601, his win-score was a very decent 3.1 and he was on his way to become a consistent star...

Again, I wish Sergio nothing but the best - but I think that the comparison to Nash is just wrong - since Nash was a much better shooter from pretty much his 2nd year and has eclipsed everything Sergio achieved to date by his 2nd year...

 

[BoBoBREWSKI]

From ESPN Insider

Kings shopping Rodriguez

The Sacramento Bee reports Memphis, New York and New Jersey have all inquired about point guard Sergio Rodriguez. The Kings are hoping to send him out and only get back draft picks.

According to The Commercial-Appeal, the Grizzlies continue to consider multiple trade scenarios, but don't appear to have a strong interest in Rodriguez.

 

[Tince]

Classic thread.

I wonder if people are still going to dig their feet about Sergio being a starting quality PG, the Pendergraph trade being bad, and Nate holding Sergio back. Its no more obvious now than it was back then, but it was fairly obvious back then!

 

[mook]

He'll get about a dozen threads devoted to him over the season, and they'll boil down to:
a) He's putting up better numbers now that he's finally "unleashed"
and
b) Sergio made Sportcenter!
and
c) He's losing a fucktastic number of games

Even his fans will get bored of following a 15-20 win team, and we'll finally be over it by All Star break.

Huh. My bad. Looks like none of my predictions happened. You could argue "C" did, but then he'd actually have to be playing to lose a fucktastic number of games. The Kings are losing all those games largely without his assistance.

 

[Nikolokolus]

I saw this report a few days ago ... hopefully (yet another) change of scenery will be just the tonic for his career ...

 

[Nikolokolus]

It's always instructive to look at the way others see a player ... especially a player who was so polarizing for so many Portland fans (I include myself here).

http://www.sactownroyalty.com/2010/2/16/1313091/kings-are-looking-at-a-sergio#comments

 

[Rhal]

We had to pay to get rid of Sergio and the kings barely play the guard... the guy is a sub par guard who is inconstant and defense is very suspect. He is never going to be a starter in this league and teams don't even want him as a backup. Back to Europe is were he will be soon.

 

[Minstrel]

Huh. My bad. Looks like none of my predictions happened. You could argue "C" did, but then he'd actually have to be playing to lose a fucktastic number of games. The Kings are losing all those games largely without his assistance.

I thought A came true too. I recall Sergio's fans touting his high garbage-time PER.

 

[Blazer_Hippie]

I hope he does get moved somewhere that actually needs a point guard...it would likely be his last chance to make it in the league and show what he can do...

 

[Ed O]

I hope he does get moved somewhere that actually needs a point guard...it would likely be his last chance to make it in the league and show what he can do...

At some point he needs to be better than alternatives... rather than just lucking into a team that has no one better than he is.

Sergio is still rather young (less than a year older than Dante and Pendergraph, for example) but his chances are running out. He needs to earn minutes and so far he hasn't been able to do that.

Ed O.

 

[Blazer_Hippie]

At some point he needs to be better than alternatives... rather than just lucking into a team that has no one better than he is.

Sergio is still rather young (less than a year older than Dante and Pendergraph, for example) but his chances are running out. He needs to earn minutes and so far he hasn't been able to do that.

Ed O.

I agree, but he can find a lower bar to hurdle over (in the way of alternatives at point guard) on a different team. I'd like to see him go somewhere with very weak alternatives where he could get a shot at some extended minutes on a running team. If he fails yet again in that position he will no longer need to worry about speaking English...

 

[hasoos]

The way I look at it, if Sergio can get to NY, and be with D'Antoni, if he can't make it in that all offense, no defense scenario, his time in the league is over. That is the ultimate environment for him. All about offense. Matador defense. If it doesn't work there, it won't work anywhere.

 

[jlprk]

http://www.sactownroyalty.com/2010/2/16/1313091/kings-are-looking-at-a-sergio#comments

That site has useful information. It says that Pritchard used Paul Allen's money to make the Sergio trade work. Has Pritchard ever, ever made a trade work the normal way, without a bribe?

A lot of that page is talk about whether Beno Udrih would start anywhere. We've heard this before, but they say that Udrih is no better than Sergio at the 1, but Udrih's bigger poisonous contract is immovable, so Sergio sits. Also, Udrih plays 1 and 2, while Sergio only plays 1. For example:

I'm not wild about his [Sergio's] game like some but the change of pace he offers off the bench can be real spark and cause opponents to make adjustments. Its nice to make other teams adjust to your line up rather than adusting to theirs.

Sergio, could play with Tyreke at the 2 spot. But, if your looking for a backup who can play the 1 or 2, than Beno is a better choice. In the end it comes down to $2.8M for your backup PG who gets 10 mpg. Versus $6M for a backup 1 & 2. Of course, everythings changes if Martin gets traded and Tyreke moves to playing the 2.

The next one is from
http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/sports/kings/archives/2010/02/trade-chatter-s.html

I'm told they are considering sending point guard Sergio Rodriguez to Memphis. Rodriguez, who is making $1.8 million in this the final season of his contract, would back up Mike Conley. Because the Griz are under the salary cap, they could simply take Sergio on while the Kings would save the remaining money from this season.

The Kings may elect to hold onto Rodriguez simply for the backcourt versatility. New York and New Jersey have also inquired about Rodriguez, but nothing with any of the teams is believed to be imminent. Newsday's Alan Hahn informed me via Twitter that the Knicks also have a trade exception they could use. New Jersey also has a trade exception.

 

[Natebishop3]

It takes hard work and dedication to keep a joke running this long.

MARIS I commend you!

 

[Ed O]

I agree, but he can find a lower bar to hurdle over (in the way of alternatives at point guard) on a different team. I'd like to see him go somewhere with very weak alternatives where he could get a shot at some extended minutes on a running team. If he fails yet again in that position he will no longer need to worry about speaking English...

Is there ever going to be a weaker link than Beno Udrih? I mean, the guy doesn't SUCK, but very very few players in NBA rotations suck.

Ed O.

 

[BrianFromWA]

Is there ever going to be a weaker link than Beno Udrih? I mean, the guy doesn't SUCK, but very very few players in NBA rotations suck.

Ed O.

Chris Duhon in a D'Antoni offense?

 

[Ed O]

Chris Duhon in a D'Antoni offense?

Duhon has been terrible, for sure... but if you're the Knicks do you want to go from Duhon to Sergio? Or maybe try to get a starting-caliber player?

Ed O.

 

[Minstrel]

That site has useful information. It says that Pritchard used Paul Allen's money to make the Sergio trade work. Has Pritchard ever, ever made a trade work the normal way, without a bribe?

Bribing is the normal way. You pretty much always bribe teams to give you players of theirs that you want...you bribe them with players, with money, with draft picks or with some combination of the three.

 

[barfo]

Bribing is the normal way. You pretty much always bribe teams to give you players of theirs that you want...you bribe them with players, with money, with draft picks or with some combination of the three.

You forgot sexual favors.

barfo

 

[Blazer_Hippie]

Is there ever going to be a weaker link than Beno Udrih? I mean, the guy doesn't SUCK, but very very few players in NBA rotations suck.

Ed O.

I honestly don't watch a lot of Sacremento basketball...but my understanding is that with Beno's contract he's immovable so considered part of the longer term plan there...Sergio was a safety net in case Tyreke sucked...he doesn't, so Sergio is benched. (Obviously if Sergio was head and shoulders above Beno, he'd play, but he isn't)

For the record I'm not a Sergio lover...I'd just like, as someone mentioned above, to see him get some minutes on a running, no defense team. Do I think he'd succeed? Doubtful. Would I like to at least see him once get a chance to play in his perfect system in the NBA? Yes.

 

[blazerboy30]

Keep laughing guys. But MARIS has shown an amazing ability to predict players' future greatness...

"Laugh all you want but when I think of Pippen's early style of play and his awareness of the total game, only Viktor comes to mind.

This trade could end up a worse, but more predictable, one than Bowie/Jordan."

 

[Minstrel]

You forgot sexual favors.

barfo

You have to use whatever assets you have. That's being a smart GM.

 

[andalusian]

You have to use whatever assets you have. That's being a smart GM.

So maybe we have been wrong criticizing kpee all this time? Maybe he is just not the Chalie Sheen type?