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I agree completely with playing Vonleh more. As long as he's on the team, we should be treating him as our future at PF. He doesn't need to start, but he needs to play.

As for Meyers, I think his injury really messed up his already limited game. Bench him and let him work his way into the rotation, if he can. In the meantime, teach him to be a center and have him play around the basket. He is a deft shooter and should have no trouble scoring the ball in a myriad of ways. On defense, playing the post will limit his opportunities for mistakes.

I like Terry, a lot. He's miles better than any coach we've had in a very long time. But maybe this team is getting close to being ready for a new coach, IDK.
 
BBert said:
I like Terry, a lot. He's miles better than any coach we've had in a very long time.
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That bolded sentence is rendered mostly meaningless when you consider that our previous coaches were:

Nate McMillan
Mo Cheeks
Caleb Kanales
Kevin Pritchard

It's been 16 years since we've had an NBA-caliber head coach!
 
blue9 said:
That bolded sentence is rendered mostly meaningless when you consider that our previous coaches were:

Nate McMillan
Mo Cheeks
Caleb Kanales
Kevin Pritchard

It's been 16 years since we've had an NBA-caliber head coach!
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Yeah. Not a tough act to follow.
 
Sarni said:
Yeah there has been #1 pick who was playing the same position and turned out to be absolutely terrible but nonetheless, our options at power forward have been poor so it's perhaps time to consider our youngest power forward who might have more upside.
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you don't think the coaches get an eyeful of his game and upside in practice? Most likely the starters clean his clock which is why we don't see him much in games. He's been underwhelming in the PT he has garnered...

STOMP
 
Just like Napier and Layman...if Vonleh plays long enough to break a sweat...he gets more comfortable...our starters and rotation guys aren't really putting teams away early so they get much burn yet and I'm positive some guys are playing for a trade that's backfired so far...not gaining much trade value
 
nice quick 3 fouls in 5 minutes. Solid start
 
TBpup said:
Perhaps, but in a SHOCKING development that no one could have predicted, after having a very solid year in his contract season, he has declined quite a bit after his big signing.

Batum --- Pts - Rebs - Asts -- FG% -- 3pt% - FT%
2015/16...14.9...6.1.....5.8.... .426... .348... .849
2016/17...13.4...7.8.....5.3.... .384... .338... .774

So outside of rebounding, he is lower in every category and his shooting % has plummeted. Who could have seen that coming?
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I was going to post something similar. He's playing like shit, and I'm not surprised at all. I would puke if we had to pay him 27 million dollars when he's 31. And with how fragile he is, just a couple years away from a wheelchair.
 
Vonleh had 3 early fouls but set a physical tone that was a departure from how Portland usually starts the game. Still not big numbers but also doing some of the little things. Anyone who splits their elbow from a fall because they flipped over when their knee cracked some helpless Thunder rebounder below as they flew by is okay by me.
 
I swear some of you wear blinders. I actually did think Noah showed improvement early in the season, but spinning his 3 fouls in 3 minutes last night as a positive is a reach.

He looked totally lost to me. Kept rotating to wrong person, didn't box out. And he kept reaching instead of moving his feet.

I am at a stage where I HATE Meyers, but if he did what Noah did last night, he'd be getting roasted.
 
Noah sucks. He was getting worked on both ends again.

There's a reason we made our playoff push after sending him to the bench -- why did we think any different this year? His improvement has been marginal, and he's still lost as hell. I swear he's worse than TRob in bball IQ aspects
 
yuyuza1 said:
Noah sucks. He was getting worked on both ends again.

There's a reason we made our playoff push after sending him to the bench -- why did we think any different this year? His improvement has been marginal, and he's still lost as hell. I swear he's worse than TRob in bball IQ aspects
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Damn. Ouch.
 
Makes me wonder why we got rid of Batum. Gerald Henderson is gone and Vonleh shows flash's of something good but I don't know man
 
yuyuza1 said:
Noah sucks. He was getting worked on both ends again.

There's a reason we made our playoff push after sending him to the bench -- why did we think any different this year? His improvement has been marginal, and he's still lost as hell. I swear he's worse than TRob in bball IQ aspects
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Have to say these last two games looks like he hasn't learned a thing from last season. He looked great opening night and showed flashes since, but the more he plays, the more he looks like a slightly smarter Meyers. Looks like he has to think about every move he makes before he makes it.
 
Plumlee said it in the locker room just now. If they have the answers, it's just about mental focus. THEN GET YOUR SHIT TOGETHER ALREADY.

Edit: wrong thread. lolz
 
I see a lot more potential in Vonleh this year than I did last year. He's really our only front court player that has a size/strength advantage against his opponent. The guy is built like a PF, and he's showing some inside game. And I think his jump shot is better than the percentages indicate.

Portland would have been better off just letting Crabbe and Leonard go and playing Layman and Vonleh.
 
I've mentioned this before, but when you're dealing with young players you're mainly looking for tools you can work with rather than actual results, and there is a lot to work with there with Vonleh. He needs a consistent role, where he's actually getting the ball and not just setting screenand a chance to play through struggles, otherwise how is he going to develop and improve? In practice? That's bullshit. If he's not going to get that opportunity here, trade him.
 
Tunchi said:
True
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maybe it was, but there was no gun to their head forcing Neal to deal Batum or sign Crabbe and Turner for an average of over 36 Mil per year for the next 4 seasons. Time passing isn't casting a favorable light on NO's judgement.

STOMP
 
I have really liked what I've seen of Noahs ability to defend on the perimeter when he has been caught out there (or is caught on a switch).
His length and agility really gives other players problems. He really is surprisingly nimble, can dribble, and has range out to three.

At 6' 9" he is limited height wise (like Chief), but makes up for that with length and strength.
With todays smaller PF position, I'd like to see him lean up a little to around 230 - 235, which may give him a little bit more explosiveness and a chance to utilise his agility and dribbling on offense.
Whilst he does have excellent footwork, he looks a little 'heavy' when he's out there - and looks like it limits his quickness.

Chief is struggling. Maybe it's time to give Vonleh a chance to play some extended, uninterrupted minutes.
 
I think the main thing Vonleh needs is a steady diet of touches and a long leash. He looks miles better on offense (especially in the post) than he did last year.

Alas, I don't think it's going to happen here. Stotts seems averse to playing young guys extended minutes and prefers his forwards to play away from the hoop.
 
Nikolokolus said:
I think the main thing Vonleh needs is a steady diet of touches and a long leash. He looks miles better on offense (especially in the post) than he did last year.

Alas, I don't think it's going to happen here. Stotts seems averse to playing young guys extended minutes and prefers his forwards to play away from the hoop.
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I find that frustrating, especially with guys with the strength/body of a Vonleh.

It's evident too, that a guy like CJ - who can break down offenses at will - often finds himself the only offensive player near the hoop once he has gotten past his first defender. Makes it nigh impossible for the nice little dump off assists to big men - when they're parked out at the three point line.
 
The thing that frustrates me watching Noah is that he always floats to the weak side. When the ball gets swung around, he ducks under the hoop to the weak side where hes not in position to do anything helpful. He should hold his position & post up.
 
tester551 said:
The thing that frustrates me watching Noah is that he always floats to the weak side. When the ball gets swung around, he ducks under the hoop to the weak side where hes not in position to do anything helpful. He should hold his position & post up.
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Everything about the way he's been used/developed has been frustrating to me. Hopefully some playing time will free up after the deadline.
 
Nikolokolus said:
I think the main thing Vonleh needs is a steady diet of touches and a long leash. He looks miles better on offense (especially in the post) than he did last year.

Alas, I don't think it's going to happen here. Stotts seems averse to playing young guys extended minutes and prefers his forwards to play away from the hoop.
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And what's ironic, for the first half of last season, Stotts started him. I suppose the mindset, at the time, was prioritizing player development over better shots at wins. We may want to return to that strategy.
 
How about this starting lineup:

Plumlee
Vonleh
Aminu
Harkless
Dame

I know it seems devoid of talent, but this gives us 3 people who can switch up on everybody, Plums only has a problem against quick guards and Dame is ok against taller guys (my own eye test only).

As i understand it, our interior defense is actually top 10 in the league in amount of points scored on so maybe this lineup would give us more defensive flexibility.

I might even try:

Vonleh
Aminu
Harkless
Turner
Dame.

I hope Stotts will try it sometime in the future.
 
Blazers Roy said:
How about this starting lineup:

Plumlee
Vonleh
Aminu
Harkless
Dame

I know it seems devoid of talent, but this gives us 3 people who can switch up on everybody, Plums only has a problem against quick guards and Dame is ok against taller guys (my own eye test only).
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I hope Stotts will try it sometime in the future.
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Was going to post the exact same thing. It's probably a good defensive unit to try - but where does the offense come from?
The way Harkless has been shooting the 3 makes this worth looking at , but is his ball-handling good enough?

You would have 3 guys that could cover for each other at SG, SF, PF if a switch occurred on defense.
 
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