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[hoopsjock]

No

Abso-fucking-lutely.

(By the way, this inclusion of fucking, or any word for that matter, in between the syllables of another word is called tmesis. Just thought someone out there might find that interesting...)

I don't mean anything by this but it is interesting that two of the biggest anti-Olshey posters say the exact opposite thing.

 

[Gronk Brady]

Should any player have a say in those decisions (LeBron included) or do you believe they should never be consulted? Are you saying no because you want Dame to get mad and request a trade? Or do you just not care about his happiness since he is 28 and his career is almost over?

If a player has brought his city a championship, then they can have some say in roster moves... other than that, players should have no say and let the GM do his job...

 

[LayneStaley]

Question for you guys (especially @Gronk Brady):

Should Dame have any say or be consulted in any way on the makeup of the roster and trades?

Not one bit. Players play, coaches coach, owners cut the checks and a gm is supposed to be able to find the players with the talent and ability to play together, when he starts letting players or coaches influence that he’s pretty much worthless imo....or just scared to pull the trigger without having other people to point the finger at when his decisions end up being the wrong ones.

 

[LayneStaley]

I agree if your Michael Jordan, Kobe, LBJ or someone of the SUPERstar caliber and the face of the NBA then you deserve a heads up but still not veto power.

 

[Hoopguru]

Question for you guys (especially @Gronk Brady):

Should Dame have any say or be consulted in any way on the makeup of the roster and trades?

hell yeah....that's a no brainer if he's looked at as our franchise player!
But a GM should never tell even his franchise player we won't trade you.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Question for you guys (especially @Gronk Brady):

Should Dame have any say or be consulted in any way on the makeup of the roster and trades?

My answer would be that you want your coach and best players to be involved in the “long term plan”, but the GM still needs to be the guy who makes the decisions. Unless of course you don’t want your current best player or two and Coach aren’t part of the long term plan.

I think players are younger and tend to be more emotional, and also tend to only see there window, and not the organizations window. From all I’ve read about the spurs back in the Tim Duncan Era, Timmy played a big role in helping them identify the right personalities and talents, seemed to work ok at least until recently.

 

[Propagandist]

I don't mean anything by this but it is interesting that two of the biggest anti-Olshey posters say the exact opposite thing.

I think Dame is unique. I think with his brand of leadership and level-headedness and candor, coupled with his embrace of Portland and the team, he is 100 times more valuable to this franchise than Olshey. If ever there was a candidate for Blazer for Life, it would be Dame.

 

[dviss1]

Not one bit. Players play, coaches coach, owners cut the checks and a gm is supposed to be able to find the players with the talent and ability to play together, when he starts letting players or coaches influence that he’s pretty much worthless imo....or just scared to pull the trigger without having other people to point the finger at when his decisions end up being the wrong ones.

This doesn't even sound like it's in the realm of reality.

You think that Magic didn't say anything to Lebron when he added this guy to the roster:

We see what happened when Bob Whitsitt said he "never studied chemistry in college".

 

[LayneStaley]

I see dame here until the final year or two of his playing career, and then we will trade him to whoever has the best or second best odds of winning a championship that season as a thank you for his services.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

I agree if your Michael Jordan, Kobe, LBJ or someone of the SUPERstar caliber and the face of the NBA then you deserve a heads up but still not veto power.

Nah I disagree I work closely with the owner Where I work when we hire engineers or developers, and he always asks our opinions and has most of the team who will work with an individual to do short interviews with people we may hire, it helps when building a team to have current team members get a feel for if the prospect is s good feel or not.

 

[LayneStaley]

This doesn't even sound like it's in the realm of reality.

You think that Magic didn't say anything to Lebron when he added this guy to the roster:

We see what happened when Bob Whitsitt said he "never studied chemistry in college".

Did you read my follow up post right below that one?

Read then post

 

[Propagandist]

I don't mean anything by this but it is interesting that two of the biggest anti-Olshey posters say the exact opposite thing.

In fact, half of my irritation with Olshey is that he hasn't been successful in getting the right guys around Dame...who is at his peak and probably just crested. And instead seems to be aiming somewhere further ahead...

 

[LayneStaley]

Nah I disagree I work closely with the owner Where I work when we hire engineers or developers, and he always asks our opinions and has most of the team who will work with an individual to do short interviews with people we may hire, it helps when building a team to have current team members get a feel for if the prospect is s good feel or not.

I see what your saying and agree that’s a good strategy in real life jobs, I don’t think it is in professional sports, there are many reasons unbasketball related that players might not want a certain player coming to their team, even if it made the team better.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

I see what your saying and agree that’s a good strategy in real life jobs, I don’t think it is in professional sports, there are many reasons unbasketball related that players might not want a certain player coming to their team, even if it made the team better.

Well I believe it’s the GM’s job to make the final decisions, but I guess I see it as part of his job to make well informed decisions too and using your coach and players to get information, and opinions from, I don’t think it hurts...

 

[dviss1]

Did you read my follow up post right below that one?

Read then post

Nope! I like to do the opposite!

 

[hoopsjock]

If a player has brought his city a championship, then they can have some say in roster moves... other than that, players should have no say and let the GM do his job...

Not one bit. Players play, coaches coach, owners cut the checks and a gm is supposed to be able to find the players with the talent and ability to play together, when he starts letting players or coaches influence that he’s pretty much worthless imo....or just scared to pull the trigger without having other people to point the finger at when his decisions end up being the wrong ones.

Isn't it important in today's game to have a player that is friends and recruits other guys to play with him?

That's how the Heat got LeBron and Bosh to team up with Wade, it wasn't anything special Pat Riley did. It's also how CP3 went to the Rockets as Harden convinced him to accept his player option and get traded.

If you saw the press conference for Cousins he specifically mentioned CJ trying to talk him out of it and we know he and Dame respect each other. It seems like we only had a chance to get him because of that.

Players can tamper all year while GM's can't.

 

[hoopsjock]

In fact, half of my irritation with Olshey is that he hasn't been successful in getting the right guys around Dame...who is at his peak and probably just crested. And instead seems to be aiming somewhere further ahead...

What if they are consulting Dame?

It could be the reason why Stotts still has a job, why Dame hasn't demanded a trade, and why CJ is still on the team, couldn't it?

You could point to the Ed Davis thing as evidence to the contrary but couldn't Dame have been sad to lose his friend while also thinking they had a shot at Cousins because of it?

 

[Propagandist]

What if they are consulting Dame?

It could be the reason why Stotts still has a job, why Dame hasn't demanded a trade, and why CJ is still on the team, couldn't it?

You could point to the Ed Davis thing as evidence to the contrary but couldn't Dame have been sad to lose his friend while also thinking they had a shot at Cousins because of it?

You know, I don't love guesswork. I mean, he could be consulting with Dame.

But the fact that Dame met with Paul Allen withOUT Olshey, the Ed Davis stuff, the recent "we tried, I guess" interview, etc. I think you could argue against him being consulted.

Then again, I seem to remember Dame being at the meeting with Parsons, and there are 8 billion pictures of them talking/laughing/sitting together in the practice facility. I just think you could argue either way.

But if I were Olshey, I'd stop prefacing everything with "Look" and start/continue consulting with Dame.

 

[BonesJones]

Isn't it important in today's game to have a player that is friends and recruits other guys to play with him?

That's how the Heat got LeBron and Bosh to team up with Wade, it wasn't anything special Pat Riley did. It's also how CP3 went to the Rockets as Harden convinced him to accept his player option and get traded.

If you saw the press conference for Cousins he specifically mentioned CJ trying to talk him out of it and we know he and Dame respect each other. It seems like we only had a chance to get him because of that.

Players can tamper all year while GM's can't.

I think VJ thought we were landing him.. I truly believe if Nurk or DMC had a different agency, then Cousins would be in a Blazers uniform this season.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

I think VJ thought we were landing him.. I truly believe if Nurk or DMC had a different agency, then Cousins would be in a Blazers uniform this season.

Maybe, I don’t know what I’d be more annoyed with the Blazers never being in the conversation for guys like Kawhi, PG13, DMC or that they apparently were in it and couldn’t get it done. I realize there are a lot of pieces involved in trades so it’s not all on NO, just part of me is happy hey they tried! Part of me is like it would be nice to pull one of those trades off someday, it’s frustrating not being able to.

 

[hoopsjock]

You know, I don't love guesswork. I mean, he could be consulting with Dame.

But the fact that Dame met with Paul Allen withOUT Olshey, the Ed Davis stuff, the recent "we tried, I guess" interview, etc. I think you could argue against him being consulted.

Then again, I seem to remember Dame being at the meeting with Parsons, and there are 8 billion pictures of them talking/laughing/sitting together in the practice facility. I just think you could argue either way.

But if I were Olshey, I'd stop prefacing everything with "Look" and start/continue consulting with Dame.

Could he literally be saying "we tried" as in he was part of that effort? It's possible he is frustrated because he was part of the efforts and still nothing happened.

Not having Olshey at the Allen meeting is a good point, but if Dame asked for the team not to trade Davis and to keep Stotts (things like that) wouldn't he be hindering Olshey's ability to make changes?

 

[BBert]

Question for you guys (especially @Gronk Brady):

Should Dame have any say or be consulted in any way on the makeup of the roster and trades?

I think so but only to find out about specific players' personality traits to determine attitude and fit. For example, if Dame says don't trade for Jimmy Butler because he has attitude issues that would be bad for team chemistry, or do trade for Butler because he's exactly the kind of competitor we need, Paul Allen should listen.

 

[hoopsjock]

I think so but only to find out about specific players' personality traits to determine attitude and fit. For example, if Dame says don't trade for Jimmy Butler because he has attitude issues that would be bad for team chemistry, or do trade for Butler because he's exactly the kind of competitor we need, Paul Allen should listen.

Agreed, but what if he says "yeah, I want Butler but don't trade CJ for him"?

 

[BBert]

Agreed, but what if he says "yeah, I want Butler but don't trade CJ for him"?

First, as the GM, I'd want to know why. If I disagreed, I'd try to convince him, in the same way I'd have to convince the owner that it was a good move. Going against your franchise player would be tough. It would depend on how certain I was in my strategy for putting together the best team, and how strongly Dame was opposed, and for what reason. IOW: For me, there is no hard and fast rule. It's a team, you need cooperation between management and players, but ultimately it's management's call after weighing all the factors, including the wishes and reactions of your best player. I consult members of my staff regarding potential new hires, and I've even complied with a staff member's strong wishes on not hiring a particular person on one occasion (I wasn't going to hire him anyway, but she doesn't need to know that, haha). I always ask for input and other perspectives, but in no way does that mean staff has veto power over my decisions, and they know and accept that. I believe Dame also believes the GM and owner have the final say, and that he accepts that.

 

[BigGameDamian]

I wonder if Neil's still trying to make a big move?

 

[Reep]

First, as the GM, I'd want to know why. If I disagreed, I'd try to convince him, in the same way I'd have to convince the owner that it was a good move. Going against your franchise player would be tough. It would depend on how certain I was in my strategy for putting together the best team, and how strongly Dame was opposed, and for what reason. IOW: For me, there is no hard and fast rule. It's a team, you need cooperation between management and players, but ultimately it's management's call after weighing all the factors, including the wishes and reactions of your best player. I consult members of my staff regarding potential new hires, and I've even complied with a staff member's strong wishes on not hiring a particular person on one occasion (I wasn't going to hire him anyway, but she doesn't need to know that, haha). I always ask for input and other perspectives, but in no way does that mean staff has veto power over my decisions, and they know and accept that. I believe Dame also believes the GM and owner have the final say, and that he accepts that.

Agreed. It's also hard to imagine Dame's and Stotts' opinion of a top level player would differ substantially. Even more so after a discussion between the two. But, we would never hear about this if it were negative.

 

[Reep]

I wonder if Neil's still trying to make a big move?

Interesting read for the history of a big deal and what is involved:

http://www.nba.com/2011/news/features/david_aldridge/12/19/art-of-chris-paul-trade-to-clippers/

I don't think a big deal will be made this summer, but more likely at the deadline or next summer when some of the rooks have more value.

 

[oldmangrouch]

I wonder if Neil's still trying to make a big move?

Let's just say he won't be endorsing metamucil anytime soon.

 

[Charcoal Filtered]

Let's just say he won't be endorsing metamucil anytime soon.

No Viagra commercials endorsing his needle movement either.

 

[TBpup]

I wonder if Neil's still trying to make a big move?

Yes. Right after breakfast and with the morning paper.