Stauskas?

[SheedSoNasty]

I never weighed in on the signing, but count me in as a person who was less than enthusiastic about it. He has definitely proven me wrong and has already outperformed what I thought we’d get from him.

It’s still been a small sample, but I have enjoyed watching him play and it shows that he is clearly not just a jump shooter like many thought he was.

 

[Scalma]

You trust Stauskas more than CJ? Really?

To take the final shot of a game?

 

[Boob-No-More]

I never weighed in on the signing, but count me in as a person who was less than enthusiastic about it. He has definitely proven me wrong and has already outperformed what I thought we’d get from him.

It’s still been a small sample, but I have enjoyed watching him play and it shows that he is clearly not just a jump shooter like many thought he was.

I was certainly not against the signing at the time. A 1-year min contract is as low risk as you can get. I figured Stauskas and Curry were just place holders to hold down the back up guard spots until Trent Jr. and Simons were ready. I figured worst case Stauskas would be Connaughton 2.0 and by March Trent Jr. would be getting his minutes.

At this point, I don't see Stauskas losing his minutes to anyone off the bench. He fits his role in this system better than anyone we've had for quite a while. Someone mentioned Danny Ainge from those early 1990s teams. In his first year in POR, Ainge averaged 11.1 ppg and shot .406 from 3-point range. If we can get that kind of production from Stauskas, I'll be thrilled.

BNM

 

[BonesJones]

You trust Stauskas more than CJ? Really?

People get extremely carried away with small sample sizes and love to hate on C.J.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Hmmm.

Sounds like NO’s under the radar tlaent scouting continues to be better and better.

Building a team is a bit like a puzzle.

Sometimes its hard to tell when pieces will fit together. I think NO has a pretty good sense of the picture behind the puzzle, making it easier.

Stauskas indeed fits perfectly next to ET.

 

[Scalma]

People get extremely carried away with small sample sizes and love to hate on C.J.

CJ is objectively not good in “clutch” situations, or at least wasn’t last season. The mistrust doesn’t come from nowhere.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Lovin' me some Sauce, but I'm not sleeping on the rooks - they're going to be good.

 

[tlongII]

C.J. is a supremely gifted ball handler and shooter. He has things he needs to work on, but I trust him with the game on the line.

 

[BBert]

Hmmm.

Sounds like NO’s under the radar tlaent scouting continues to be better and better.

Building a team is a bit like a puzzle.

Sometimes its hard to tell when pieces will fit together. I think NO has a pretty good sense of the picture behind the puzzle, making it easier.

Stauskas indeed fits perfectly next to ET.

I don't get why Olshey always gets credit for the work of the Blazers talent scouts and statistical gurus. Olshey is ultimately responsible to act on the information they give him, and he's a good manager for working with his experts to make good decisions, but I don't believe for a minute Olshey is the guy beating the bushes and running algorithms to find undervalued players like Stauskus.

 

[Zipperhead]

I don't get why Olshey always gets credit for the work of the Blazers talent scouts and statistical gurus.....

You just proceeded to explain exactly why he should get credit. The notion that a GM shouldn't get credit because he doesn't do every single bit of grunt work himself is laughable.

 

[Orion Bailey]

I don't get why Olshey always gets credit for the work of the Blazers talent scouts and statistical gurus. Olshey is ultimately responsible to act on the information they give him, and he's a good manager for working with his experts to make good decisions, but I don't believe for a minute Olshey is the guy beating the bushes and running algorithms to find undervalued players like Stauskus.

Because he pulls the trigger. Or not.

He decides.
Kind of like saying Stotts shouldnt get any credit for improved play of players because its his assistants that do all the grunt work with the players.

But yet people can be quick to blame Stotts for lack of improvement in some players.

The fact is NO is the one who takes the info and makes the decisions. Tries to piece together the puzzle.

 

[BBert]

Because he pulls the trigger. Or not.

He decides.
Kind of like saying Stotts shouldnt get any credit for improved play of players because its his assistants that do all the grunt work with the players.

But yet people can be quick to blame Stotts for lack of improvement in some players.

The fact is NO is the one who takes the info and makes the decisions. Tries to piece together the puzzle.

I agree. He should get credit for that. But not for being some kind of genius evaluator of under valued talent. He has experts for that.

Not that thought you were doing that.

 

[Boob-No-More]

I agree. He should get credit for that. But not for being some kind of genius evaluator of under valued talent. He has experts for that.

Not that thought you were doing that.

You don't think he gives them guidance on what kind of players to look for and evaluates the data they present to him?

If those experts are REALLY the ones digging up all this undervalued talent, why don't they have jobs as NBA GMs?

BNM

 

[tlongII]

He’s been lucky. I could do as well or better. Unfortunately I’m too busy currently or I would put some feelers out for his job.

 

[Boob-No-More]

I agree. He should get credit for that. But not for being some kind of genius evaluator of under valued talent. He has experts for that.

Not that thought you were doing that.

So, do we also get to blame those nameless experts for signing Evan Turner and resigning Meyers Leonard? Asking for a friend...

BNM

 

[oldmangrouch]

So, do we also get to blame those nameless experts for signing Evan Turner and resigning Meyers Leonard? Asking for a friend...

BNM

In fact, he probably did get some bad advice on ET from his staff. Leonard, however, is 100% on him as he got to actually see Leonard every day and didn't need a scout to tell him the kid was a minimum wage player.

 

[BBert]

So, do we also get to blame those nameless experts for signing Evan Turner and resigning Meyers Leonard? Asking for a friend...

BNM

Hard to say. People bring him information, make recommendations, and he and Paul Allen (RIP) make the decisions. There is praise and blame to go around.

 

[Natebishop3]

Neil has been our best GM in recent memory at finding bargain bin free agents. I tend to give him the credit for that because I don't remember any of our other GMs doing it.

Aminu
Davis
Rolo
Mo Williams
etc

He also does it with trades.

Harkless
Napier
Nurk
etc

I'm probably forgetting some people. It's the big signings and re-signings that haven't gone so well for him. I personally wasn't thrilled about the Curry/Stauskas signings because we had just drafted two guards AND our two strongest players are guards. So it seemed like the wrong move. I wanted a wing. With that said, things are working out pretty well, but our wings still aren't producing and that's a problem. Harkless isn't shooting well, and Layman has been playing horribly. I sometimes forget that Hark is so young. He's still only 24. Wing is still our biggest weakness right now.

 

[Drttimmy]

Neil has been our best GM in recent memory at finding bargain bin free agents. I tend to give him the credit for that because I don't remember any of our other GMs doing it.

I'm probably forgetting some people. It's the big signings and re-signings that haven't gone so well for him. I personally wasn't thrilled about the Curry/Stauskas signings because we had just drafted two guards AND our two strongest players are guards. So it seemed like the wrong move. I wanted a wing. With that said, things are working out pretty well, but our wings still aren't producing and that's a problem. Harkless isn't shooting well, and Layman has been playing horribly. I sometimes forget that Hark is so young. He's still only 24. Wing is still our biggest weakness right now.

I give Stotts and his offensive player friendly system most the credit. I think a lot scrape the barrel guys around the league would look pretty good in Stotts system.

 

[Jade Falcon]

Neil has been our best GM in recent memory at finding bargain bin free agents. I tend to give him the credit for that because I don't remember any of our other GMs doing it.

Aminu
Davis
Rolo
Mo Williams
etc

He also does it with trades.

Harkless
Napier
Nurk
etc

I'm probably forgetting some people. It's the big signings and re-signings that haven't gone so well for him. I personally wasn't thrilled about the Curry/Stauskas signings because we had just drafted two guards AND our two strongest players are guards. So it seemed like the wrong move. I wanted a wing. With that said, things are working out pretty well, but our wings still aren't producing and that's a problem. Harkless isn't shooting well, and Layman has been playing horribly. I sometimes forget that Hark is so young. He's still only 24. Wing is still our biggest weakness right now.

Things are working out well because our Guards are stepping up in place of the Wings who aren't producing. Which is outstanding. I had never even heard of Stauskas before he signed with us.....now he's playing like an All Star. And we definitely need it until Layman and Moe get their groove going.

I give Stotts and his offensive player friendly system most the credit. I think a lot scrape the barrel guys around the league would look pretty good in Stotts system.

I've always said that Stotts is a good coach if you have a young team that is rebuilding. But not if you have a group of veterans who are trying to take the next step.

I feel like we've been in this sort of limbo because of Stotts. He's always going to be barely above a .500 coach. "He is what he is", as they say.

 

[ripcityboy]

Things are working out well because our Guards are stepping up in place of the Wings who aren't producing. Which is outstanding. I had never even heard of Stauskas before he signed with us.....now he's playing like an All Star. And we definitely need it until Layman and Moe get their groove going.



I've always said that Stotts is a good coach if you have a young team that is rebuilding. But not if you have a group of veterans who are trying to take the next step.

I feel like we've been in this sort of limbo because of Stotts. He's always going to be barely above a .500 coach. "He is what he is", as they say.

Layman and Moe don"t have grooves. What we are seeing now is probably them close to their full production. I mean, Jake might hit a couple more threes but he's only getting maybe six or seven minutes a night. I thought it was generally accepted thzt we had maybd the worst wing production in ghe league.

 

[Jade Falcon]

Layman and Moe don"t have grooves. What we are seeing now is probably them close to their full production. I mean, Jake might hit a couple more threes but he's only getting maybe six or seven minutes a night. I thought it was generally accepted thzt we had maybd the worst wing production in ghe league.

Fair enough.

 

[Natebishop3]

Layman and Moe don"t have grooves. What we are seeing now is probably them close to their full production. I mean, Jake might hit a couple more threes but he's only getting maybe six or seven minutes a night. I thought it was generally accepted thzt we had maybd the worst wing production in ghe league.

Recognized but not accepted. It still pisses me off.

 

[blue9]

Aminu
Davis
Rolo
Mo Williams
Harkless
Napier
Nurk
etc

That's a pretty underwhelming list of players. Nurk is obviously his best get. Players like Ed, Rolo, and Aminu have only been successes because of their perceived bargain prices, but are all essentially replacement level players. I'm indifferent on Mo Williams. Bazz is a mediocre backup.
I think the only truly positive additions have been Nurk, Moe (barely), and Steaksauce - everyone else is inconsequential or bad.

 

[Scalma]

That's a pretty underwhelming list of players. Nurk is obviously his best get. Players like Ed, Rolo, and Aminu have only been successes because of their perceived bargain prices, but are all essentially replacement level players. I'm indifferent on Mo Williams. Bazz is a mediocre backup.
I think the only truly positive additions have been Nurk, Moe (barely), and Steaksauce - everyone else is inconsequential or bad.

Ok now do a breakdown of what Olshey gave up to land them.

 

[Orion Bailey]

That's a pretty underwhelming list of players. Nurk is obviously his best get. Players like Ed, Rolo, and Aminu have only been successes because of their perceived bargain prices, but are all essentially replacement level players. I'm indifferent on Mo Williams. Bazz is a mediocre backup.
I think the only truly positive additions have been Nurk, Moe (barely), and Steaksauce - everyone else is inconsequential or bad.

I think you missed this part of his post:

“Neil has been our best GM in recent memory at finding bargain bin free agents.”

I think thats a pretty good list.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

I agree. He should get credit for that. But not for being some kind of genius evaluator of under valued talent. He has experts for that.

Not that thought you were doing that.

Every GM has that, too. Yet Olshey seems to keep hitting doubles and triples.

 

[BonesJones]

CJ is objectively not good in “clutch” situations, or at least wasn’t last season. The mistrust doesn’t come from nowhere.

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I bet his 2016-2017 stats were much better.

 

[BonesJones]

I think you missed this part of his post:

“Neil has been our best GM in recent memory at finding bargain bin free agents.”

I think thats a pretty good list.

Ehhh... If he was as good as your advertising, we would've had Tyreke Evans on our team last year... James Johnson a couple years ago too.. He's good at finding bargain basement players who haven't hit their prime yet. When it comes to vets, he misses.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Ehhh... If he was as good as your advertising, we would've had Tyreke Evans on our team last year... James Johnson a couple years ago too.. He's good at finding bargain basement players who haven't hit their prime yet. When it comes to vets, he misses.

But i think thats hos target. I think he knows vets are harder to keep here.

Vets want to go to actively contending teams