Stay classy, Los Angeles

[illmatic99]

And this has nothing to do with race, but I couldn't disagree more. Cleveland fans are loony and they haven't had a championship team in something like 45 years. There is no doubt in my mind that Cleveland riots and Portland doesn't.

Having lived in CLE for the past three years, I can attest to this. One of my roommates last year went absolutely crazy after the Indians took a 3-1 lead against the Red Sox two years ago in the ALCS.

These people are HUNGRY for a championship.

 

[Wheels]

And this has nothing to do with race, but I couldn't disagree more. Cleveland fans are loony and they haven't had a championship team in something like 45 years. There is no doubt in my mind that Cleveland riots and Portland doesn't.

maybe I could see that. But I could also see some of the same here maybe, becasue the passion and how rabid this fan base can be. But you make a valid point too. I didnt think of that.

 

[RR7]

Look at all the white people having a bonfire in Pittsburgh after the Steelrs won the SB.

 

[BTOWN_HUSTLA]

That area near staples is surrounded by poor black and mexican neighborhoods though with lots of gangs and crap like that. Same things happened in East LA.

So yeah, its not representative of the races per se, its just what happens to be around. And those low socioeconomic areas are more prone to people willing to commit more property crimes than not I would imagine.

I was in Westwood a while back and people were trying to turn cars over too, and it was a bunch of white, asian and middle eastern college students. However, they were actually really just pushing cars up and down instead of actually trying to turn them over...weren't starting fires.

However, you have to take race into account in these situations. I mean, look at the last famous riots in the US, most have seemed predominantly black in terms of "perps". Its just that we are so conditioned to be so politically correct that we can no longer be honest with ourselves for risk of appearing racist. You can't go around and ignore the world around you as it is, make excuses and believe that everyone is intrisically good. stereotypes exist for a reason.

 

[Wheels]

So you are saying that Cleveland would not riot if they won then? What is this "me thinks" yoda shit?

no I am not saying that.. there would be some here too.

 

[RR7]

Damn white people.

 

[Crimson the Cat]

And don't even say I am being racist... because what do you see in EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE PICS? Mexicans and black people. Where are the ONLY white people you see there? The cop and the fireman.

I'm not trying to be holier than though, but I don't see color anymore, at least not in a negative. What I see in that picture are idiotic people. They're uneducated, irresponsible, indecent, and immoral shitheads. I've seen a ton of caucasians that act the same moronic way. Blame it on their parents and/or the social environment they've been brought up in. That they happen to be black or hispanic is irrelevant. But it says a boatload about you.

 

[RickyRubio]

Look at all the white people having a bonfire in Pittsburgh after the Steelrs won the SB.

Bon fire. What is wrong with that? Morth Carolina students do the same thing when the Tar Heels won. But do you see anyone tipping over cars and causing riots? Bon fire does not mean a riot.

Nice try.

 

[OddEnormous]

Are you being cynical? Or are you skin folk?

No fella. White as white. German, irish, scottish family tree.

Seems like you started something you don't have the balls to finish.

Sorry, I thought I'd met a great like minded man.

Say what you have to say or quit posing. Either you meant what you said or you didn't.

 

[Wheels]

Bon fire. What is wrong with that? Morth Carolina students do the same thing when the Tar Heels won. But do you see anyone tipping over cars and causing riots? Bon fire does not mean a riot.

Nice try.

Right so the guy being arrested was cuffed for making Smores.

By the way you avoided my question on I think post #31

 

[RickyRubio]

I'm not trying to be holier than though, but I don't see color anymore, at least not in a negative. What I see in that picture are idiotic people. They're uneducated, irresponsible, indecent, and immoral shitheads. I've seen a ton of caucasians that act the same moronic way. Blame it on their parents and/or the social environment they've been brought up in. That they happen to be black or hispanic is irrelevant. But it says a boatload about you.

What does it say about me?

 

[Crimson the Cat]

I don't get it. Terrorizing and destroying the city = celebrating?

These public displays really fascinate me. Is it frustration-incarnate? Happiness becoming destructive. There's something culturally deeper here.

 

[RR7]

Don't believe bon fires are generally allowed in the middle of a city. I could be wrong. Don't know specific Pittsburgh laws. I did, howveer, see a mention in an article of 80 arrests in Pittsburgh. How many out of LA? Like 18 so far? Odd, for a city so huge.

 

[Minstrel]

However, you have to take race into account in these situations. I mean, look at the last famous riots in the US, most have seemed predominantly black in terms of "perps". Its just that we are so conditioned to be so politically correct that we can no longer be honest with ourselves for risk of appearing racist. You can't go around and ignore the world around you as it is, make excuses and believe that everyone is intrisically good. stereotypes exist for a reason.

It's not a question of being politically correct, it's about not confusing the causative factors. Riots tend to be perpetrated by poorer people in dense urban areas. Due to the history of race relations in the US, an enormous chunk of that poor urban population is black.

The reason people resist what you consider "honest" appraisal is because the implication is that the violence is a trait of the race, when it is actually a trait of the socioeconomic circumstances that those people have been placed in.

 

[BTOWN_HUSTLA]

It's not a question of being politically correct, it's about not confusing the causative factors. Riots tend to be perpetrated by poorer people in dense urban areas. Due to the history of race relations in the US, an enormous chunk of that poor urban population is black.

The reason people resist what you consider "honest" appraisal is because the implication is that the violence is a trait of the race, when it is actually a trait of the socioeconomic circumstances that those people have been placed in.

No. The original intent was merely an observation that most of the rioters were black and mexican, which is probably pretty accurate.

 

[RickyRubio]

These public displays really fascinate me. Is it frustration-incarnate? Happiness becoming destructive. There's something culturally deeper here.

How can you say it's culturally deep and not be a racist? When I said the same thing, in other words, yet I am a racist?

Curious.

 

[RR7]

Not really. The initial comment was it would not happen in Portland, because we do not have as many blacks and mexicans. It wasn't a simple comment of, well, looks like in those pictures, it is all blacks and mexicans.

 

[Minstrel]

These public displays really fascinate me. Is it frustration-incarnate? Happiness becoming destructive. There's something culturally deeper here.

It's a release. Unfortunately, people without money or a lot of other things going for them in life put an enormous amount of their emotional investment in sports, and when it goes badly or well, it causes a lot of emotional release. As has been true of poorer, less educated people for millennia, that release is often violent in nature.

And it bears noting that this isn't restricted to non-whites by any means. The greatest number of domestic abuse crimes occur on football Sundays, because there are a lot of men angry that their teams lost and looking to take out their frustration on someone. And many of those frustrated men are poor and white.

 

[RickyRubio]

Its just that we are so conditioned to be so politically correct that we can no longer be honest with ourselves for risk of appearing racist. You can't go around and ignore the world around you as it is, make excuses and believe that everyone is intrisically good. stereotypes exist for a reason.

Thank you!

 

[Crimson the Cat]

What race of people are pushing over the cars and rioting? Just answer me that please.

Your kidding yourself if you don't think caucasians haven't rioted violently in Los Angeles last night and after other monumental-type events.

You not going to claim those? What's your excuse for them? They were raised by blacks or mexicans?

It's all about socioeconomics, upbringing, and self-culturism.

Branding an entire population sharing a shade of skin color is both moronic, ignorant, self-serving, and highly dangerous. In fact one can argue that your way of thinking is as dangerous as lighting a car on fire.

 

[Minstrel]

No. The original intent was merely an observation that most of the rioters were black and mexican, which is probably pretty accurate.

I disagree, both in this case and generally. The implication is generally pretty racist. In this case, he wasn't just making an observation, he was attempting to use it predictively (that due to lack of racial diversity, the same thing wouldn't happen in Portland).

 

[BTOWN_HUSTLA]

I disagree, both in this case and generally. The implication is generally pretty racist. In this case, he wasn't just making an observation, he was attempting to use it predictively (that due to lack of racial diversity, the same thing wouldn't happen in Portland).

Well, I don't think that is entirely disaccurate.

1. Do you think similar riots would happen in Portland?

2. Why or why not?

Sure the implication racist, but it doesn't not make it possibly true.

 

[Chutney]

For what it's worth, this was Montreal after the Canadiens won a playoff series:

Although, it should be noted that French-Canadians are the Mexicans of Canada.

 

[RR7]

I'm guessing blacks and Mexicans tipped the car over, this guy, and all the white people in the background probably just showed up afterwards.

 

[The Professional Fan]

For what it's worth, this was Montreal after the Canadiens won a playoff series:

Although, it should be noted that French-Canadians are the Mexicans of Canada.

Well, Hockey fans are all white trash, so......

 

[OddEnormous]

How can you say it's culturally deep and not be a racist? When I said the same thing, in other words, yet I am a racist?

Curious.

Culture is not race. I'm starting to lose my faith in you my great white brother. Not a lot going on upstairs. We need typical intelligent whites.

 

[The Professional Fan]

I'm guessing blacks and Mexicans tipped the car over, this guy, and all the white people in the background probably just showed up afterwards.

Philly don't count.

 

[Minstrel]

Well, I don't think that is entirely disaccurate.

1. Do you think similar riots would happen in Portland?

2. Why or why not?

I already addressed this, much earlier in the thread:

You're conflating two different issues and using them to create a racist proposition. There probably would be less/no riots in Portland, but that's because LA is a much larger urban area. Such areas tend to engender more violence due to greater disparities in income level and more densely packed populations.

Larger urban areas also tend to be more racially mixed.

Just because larger urban areas tend to have two characteristics (greater violence, greater ethnic diversity) doesn't mean that one characteristic causes the other.

That's equivalent to saying that basketball players are tall and basketball players are also rich, therefore greater wealth leads to being taller.

 

[Crimson the Cat]

I read a while back, and I mean like 5 years ago, that most people arrested for their participation in sports riots were either black or hispanic. In fact it was an outside the lines. That's where I saw this. They even mentioned that in places like Portland, Utah and Seattle the riots wouldn't be near what they are in other cities because of the demagraphics.

That says more about the economical struggles minorities face than that one race is predisposed to violence over an another.

Shit. I'd say caucasians have done their fair share of violence over the years. The KKK, Nazis, government-supported slavery, and hell even historical factions of Christians in the name of God have spilt as much or more senseless blood on the Earth.

To chalk up an action to a skin color is just retarded to me. You've got to look way beyond that and analyze where these idiotic actions developed from.

 

[RickyRubio]

Your kidding yourself if you don't think caucasians haven't rioted violently in Los Angeles last night and after other monumental-type events.

If I saw some white people in those pics, I would have never said anything that I said in this thread.