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SharpesTriumph said:
Not a fan of the blatant tanking much of this year. Prior two seasons I was ok with it, not this year. Even with vets this year we were losing a ton. Would rather have built good habits and been in the 5th+ slot.

Should be for sure lottery season next year, likely the year after as well even if they miraculously are more competitive.

That will be a half decade of lottery habits and a losing culture. Ant is the only player in this organization to experience playoffs and it's not like he was a key member.

Struggling to see how this franchise will even start taking the first of many needed steps towards building a possible contender. Looks more like building a culture of complacency and losing.
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Playing Jerami Grant wasn't going to teach this team any good habits.
 
I’m glad the season is over. It was awful to watch this season. I hope Jody sells!
 
When was the last time a team was fined for tanking?

I remember the Lakers being fined once for tanking. The league said they would keep an eye out for it afterwards. The Lakers proceeded to tank the very next season to land Anthony Davis, and the league was dead silent about it.

All of the best teams in the league tank. I guess that means the Blazers are one of the best teams in the league now.

Seriously though. I hate tanking. I don't like watching the Blazers do it. It sends the wrong message to the players.
 
Road Ratt said:
When was the last time a team was fined for tanking?

I remember the Lakers being fined once for tanking. The league said they would keep an eye out for it afterwards. The Lakers proceeded to tank the very next season to land Anthony Davis, and the league was dead silent about it.

All of the best teams in the league tank. I guess that means the Blazers are one of the best teams in the league now.

Seriously though. I hate tanking. I don't like watching the Blazers do it. It sends the wrong message to the players.
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Wasnt Davis picked by the pelicans?
 
FlashWad said:
Well the only way to get legit young talent is to grab it in the draft. We are stuck in this purgatory until we draft some talent that pans out. Kings sucked for years because they kept drafting bad players with top picks until finally someone of their picks panned out.
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And trading for Sabonis.
 
Ed O said:
I think that's the nature of a community that doesn't have groupthink... we don't agree on what's best for the team, so some folks will want us to win every game we can, even if we don't make the play-in. Others want us to invest in excusively young guys, even if it results in the worst record in the NBA.

Cronin and the Blazers are doing something in between, and the better option (make it into the play-in while young guys get better) didn't happen.. instead, we have a combination of veterans who are paid at or above what they produce and young guys who can't stay healthy and/or aren't good enough to carry a team... and that combination is a half-assed rebuild that resulted in one of the worst records we've ever seen.
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It could be much worse. This roster is worse than our current roster.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/POR/2006.html

We just need a draft pick or trade where we hit on someone to start to ascend. I'm hoping it's in the 2025 draft where potential stars are plentiful.

Luck into a Sarr or take a Matas or someone this year. Trade Brogdon at least. Suck again next year. Take Flagg or one of the other potential studs next year.
 
JFizzleRaider said:
It could be much worse. This roster is worse than our current roster.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/POR/2006.html

We just need a draft pick or trade where we hit on someone to start to ascend. I'm hoping it's in the 2025 draft where potential stars are plentiful.

Luck into a Sarr or take a Matas or someone this year. Trade Brogdon at least. Suck again next year. Take Flagg or one of the other potential studs next year.
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I hated that team (Juan Dixon is one of my least-favorite Blazers ever) and I hated the PatterNash years... but I don't see much more going for us now than we had going for us then.

Telfair allegedly had promise. Randolph was looking like a stud. Miles hadn't melted down yet. And (as far as I can recall) we weren't locked into big deals like we are with Grant and Ayton.

I am not giving up on this rebuilding effort, but like you said we're going to have to have some luck and/or (IMO) we need better decision-making by the front office.
 
Ed O said:
I hated that team (Juan Dixon is one of my least-favorite Blazers ever) and I hated the PatterNash years... but I don't see much more going for us now than we had going for us then.

Telfair allegedly had promise. Randolph was looking like a stud. Miles hadn't melted down yet. And (as far as I can recall) we weren't locked into big deals like we are with Grant and Ayton.

I am not giving up on this rebuilding effort, but like you said we're going to have to have some luck and/or (IMO) we need better decision-making by the front office.
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It's a bit hard to look back in that because we know the upper limits of every player. Back at the time many of us were pretty high on Webster and Outlaw potential, each much higher than any of Camera/Walker/Rupert/Murray. Telfair was traded for the Roy pick. Yes Miles and ZBo were likely better young talents at that time than Sharpe or Scoot are now. Jack probably similar value to Ant, Ayton=Pryz, Brogdon=Blake, Ruben=Grant. RGIII=Theo

That was about the lowest point I can remember as a Blazer fan, maybe it will be better now with some good development, youth, picks. But there's a real chance it will be just as bad or worse, and that's pretty damn depressing.

I'll always follow the team, especially at draft/free agency/deadline. But until we have talent worth watching Ill be tuning out of most games and totally understand all the people talking about letting go of their season tickets.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
It's a bit hard to look back in that because we know the upper limits of every player. Back at the time many of us were pretty high on Webster and Outlaw potential, each much higher than any of Camera/Walker/Rupert/Murray. Telfair was traded for the Roy pick. Yes Miles and ZBo were likely better young talents at that time than Sharpe or Scoot are now. Jack probably similar value to Ant, Ayton=Pryz, Brogdon=Blake, Ruben=Grant. RGIII=Theo
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theo was better than rgiii, but come on man. Pryz isn't close to as good as Ayton. Brogdon is better than Blake. Grant is substantially better than Ruben.

Sharpe has more promise than Miles. Z-bo is probably better than anyone we currently have at this time on our team though.

This team has more going for it than that team did.
 
Serious question; is it really tanking if Portland trades Grant, Ant, Brogdon and Time Lord running all youngsters (Ayton is young) and journeymen? Worked for OKC as SGA honed his skills. I realize Ant is young also, I just don't see him working with this group. I like Scoot to Ayton.
 
BIG Q said:
Serious question; is it really tanking if Portland trades Grant, Ant, Brogdon and Time Lord running all youngsters (Ayton is young) and journeymen? Worked for OKC as SGA honed his skills. I realize Ant is young also, I just don't see him working with this group. I like Scoot to Ayton.
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We absolutely should have flipped Timelord and Brogdon when we got them. Their value has already depreciated.
 
BIG Q said:
Serious question; is it really tanking if Portland trades Grant, Ant, Brogdon and Time Lord running all youngsters (Ayton is young) and journeymen? Worked for OKC as SGA honed his skills. I realize Ant is young also, I just don't see him working with this group. I like Scoot to Ayton.
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I'm 100% in on this plan for our future. All four of those guys and Tisse should probably be traded for young talent, picks and bad contracts. We should suck next year unless Scoot, Shaedon, Deandre, whoever we draft, whoever we get in trades along with Tou, Bari, Kris, Delano, Rayan and Duop are playing at a level where we are winning.
 
BIG Q said:
Doubtful. If Portland keeps Grant, Ant and Brogdon teamed with Ayton they will win 30-35 games if healthy. In this draft that is pick 8-10. If next season is a two or three player draft I don't want Portland sitting 8-10. I would prefer to see those players traded to playoff teams or contenders for journeymen on expiring deals and whatever draft capital they can get. Would love to see Ayton lead them to 21 wins again averaging 25/12 while healthy along with Scoot, Sharpe and the new rookies. OKC used SGA as their cornerstone, Portland can use Ayton. Give plenty of burn to the rookies and young core. Journeymen to continue teaching.
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Grant, Ant, and Brogdon can be traded for picks and prospects to load up on top level talent.

Might make the playoffs in 4-5 years...
 
illmatic99 said:
Chauncey only has another year left. Bringing him back for another 2-3 years after with an extension would not be a wise decision.
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Definitely not. We need one more year of tanking probably so keeping him for his last year makes some sense.
 
Ya'll are ridiculous and over-critical. The bottom line is it takes an insane amount of luck, regardless of strategy, for a small-market team to win in this league.
Tanking and praying for that insane luck is the best option there is.

If tanking is not the chosen strategy, then an even more insane amount of luck is required
(nailing someone like Giannis or Jokic with a late pick).
 
C_note said:
Ya'll are ridiculous and over-critical. The bottom line is it takes an insane amount of luck, regardless of strategy, for a small-market team to win in this league.
Tanking and praying for that insane luck is the best option there is.

If tanking is not the chosen strategy, then an even more insane amount of luck is required
(nailing someone like Giannis or Jokic with a late pick).
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This team curently has the 14th highest payroll and finished 28th in record. Jody is actually paying 1.3 mil in luxury tax this year.

If we did not have an absentee owner, there is 0 chance that either Joe or Chauncey would be employed with this track record of mismanagement.
 
Tanking sucks. But then you have the worst case of tanking for years in the case of OKC - and now they are the #1 seed in the west - so it's not going away.
 
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