Politics STEVE BANNON READIES HIS REVENGE The war on Jared Kushner is about to go nuclear.

[riverman]

How can you live with libel as your game?

I don't.....but you're not judge of that Marz......I don't know how you can justify trust in the president you elected, but I respect your right to do that....respect my right to question it and we'll be back on track

 

[riverman]

How can you live

are you actually saying I shouldn't?

 

[MarAzul]

I don't.....but you're not judge of that Marz......I don't know how you can justify trust in the president you elected, but I respect your right to do that....respect my right to question it and we'll be back on track

Respect comes with doing the right thing. I don't go around slandering or libeling people. Not fond of people doing it.

 

[riverman]

I don't go around slandering or libeling people

nor do I, but you are confused about the difference between protest, concern, conversation, political discourse and those exaggerated terms you're flinging around here.

 

[MarAzul]

nor do I, but you are confused about the difference between protest, concern, conversation, political discourse and those exaggerated terms you're flinging around here.

You have some evidence to back your claims?

 

[riverman]

You have some evidence to back your claims?

I've made no claims....you're repeating yourself. We've been over this already....and I'm not a lawyer...I'm a concerned citizen...you seem to ignore that for some reason and make me into the boogie man

 

[riverman]

You have some evidence to back your claims?

do you have any views or ideas about the thread subject that don't involve interrogating S2 members and questioning their values? Stick to the topic and have the conversation...

 

[riverman]

Not fond of people doing it.

read the title of this thread and ask yourself why you're here then

 

[MarAzul]

 

[riverman]

 

[Shaboid]

When riverman gets arrested for libel/sedation/slander, I pray he calls 1-800-Mar-Azul

 

[riverman]

When riverman gets arrested for libel/sedation/slander, I pray he calls 1-800-Mar-Azul

He'll just send the gestapo out to burn my possessions and send my family to a re-education camp

 

[3RA1N1AC]

Apparently kushner is an actual cuck.

Juicy.

 

[Denny Crane]

libel
"(law) a false and malicious publication printed for the purpose of defaming a living person"
"Print slanderous statements against"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malicious_prosecution

Malicious prosecution is a common law intentional tort, while like the tort of abuse of process, its elements include (1) intentionally (and maliciously) instituting and pursuing (or causing to be instituted or pursued) a legal action (civil or criminal) that is (2) brought without probable cause and (3) dismissed in favor of the victim of the malicious prosecution. In some jurisdictions, the term "malicious prosecution" denotes the wrongful initiation of criminal proceedings, while the term "malicious use of process" denotes the wrongful initiation of civil proceedings.

 

[MarAzul]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malicious_prosecution

Malicious prosecution is a common law intentional tort, while like the tort of abuse of process, its elements include (1) intentionally (and maliciously) instituting and pursuing (or causing to be instituted or pursued) a legal action (civil or criminal) that is (2) brought without probable cause and (3) dismissed in favor of the victim of the malicious prosecution. In some jurisdictions, the term "malicious prosecution" denotes the wrongful initiation of criminal proceedings, while the term "malicious use of process" denotes the wrongful initiation of civil proceedings.

Slander and libel is their game.
Malicious prosecution is their tool.
What a life!

 

[riverman]

is their game.

sad you see this as a game....I take it seriously myself....now basketball....that's a game

 

[Denny Crane]

Slander and libel is their game.
Malicious prosecution is their tool.
What a life!

Actively trying to overthrow the duly elected government borders on treason. The 1st amendment makes it a grey area, which is fine. But free speech doesn't mean you can speak freely without consequences when you cause harm.

 

[barfo]

Actively trying to overthrow the duly elected government borders on treason. The 1st amendment makes it a grey area, which is fine. But free speech doesn't mean you can speak freely without consequences when you cause harm.

I guess what we need is to have "The Emperor's Clothes Are Really Awesome Act" passed to prevent this sort of thing.

barfo

 

[Minstrel]

Actively trying to overthrow the duly elected government borders on treason.

So Republicans in Congress are engaging in treason by appointing a special prosecutor to investigate Trump and his campaign? Is that a bad sign for Republicans?

 

[MarAzul]

now basketball....that's a game

That's right!
A good game it is, perhaps it is enough.

 

[Denny Crane]

So Republicans in Congress are engaging in treason by appointing a special prosecutor to investigate Trump and his campaign? Is that a bad sign for Republicans?

Grey area.

But you, again, are wrong. It wasn't Republicans in Congress who appointed the special counsel. Special Counsel is not a prosecutor.

 

[riverman]

But free speech doesn't mean you can speak freely without consequences when you cause harm.

Like a president calling elected state officials toxic losers?

 

[Denny Crane]

I guess what we need is to have "The Emperor's Clothes Are Really Awesome Act" passed to prevent this sort of thing.

barfo

That would imply a Trump supporter would think Trump can do no wrong.

I've written numerous times that there are quite a few things he wants to do (or does) that I disagree with (I guess I'm not really a supporter).

I don't support his wall.

I don't support the eviction of "illegal" immigrants.

I don't support his travel restrictions.

I don't support "replace" ObamaCare.

I don't support remaining in Afghanistan.

I don't agree that transgender people should be excluded from military service.

etc.

As with Obama, I'll give Trump credit when it is due. But you won't. That you won't makes Obama the emperor who wears no clothes.

 

[MarAzul]

Actively trying to overthrow the duly elected government borders on treason. The 1st amendment makes it a grey area, which is fine. But free speech doesn't mean you can speak freely without consequences when you cause harm.

It is called, Sedition. We have had Presidents go there, Adams and Lincoln come to mind. I would hate to see it happen again. Damn hard to sort out the 1st's free speech and Sedition law.
But, I think we see the line being crossed pretty plainly today.

 

[Denny Crane]

Like a president calling elected state officials toxic losers?

He's running a political campaign. Talking about opponents, even in the same party, isn't the same as "let's impeach him" calls starting on Jan 21.

 

[Minstrel]

Grey area.

Not really, according to law. Which is why neither party has challenged it.

But you, again, are wrong. It wasn't Republicans in Congress who appointed the special counsel. Special Counsel is not a prosecutor.

For once, you're right. While Republicans in Congress approved of the appointment, he was put in place by a Republican appointed by Trump, Rod Rosenstein. Still Republicans on the hook.

And Special Counsel and Special Prosecutors are essentially the same thing:

So what is a special counsel? And what is the difference between a special counsel, a special prosecutor, and an independent counsel? The terms are largely interchangeable to refer to someone appointed to investigate allegations that could involve a conflict of interest within the Department of Justice.​

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...l-vs-special-prosecutor-difference/329016001/

 

[Denny Crane]

haha. You know nothing about law. As you demonstrated with your post about republicans appointing the special "prosecutor."

The difference is the special counsel is appointed by the executive branch.

You know nothing about law.

 

[MarAzul]

Congress are engaging in treason by appointing a special prosecutor

Wrong!
It was a deep state career Justice department employee in the role of Assistant AG that had an opening due to a weak kneed AG. The American people were very poorly served that day.
Now we have this open ended process, running without accountability to the people. First with the mission to investigate collusion with Russia with no evidence to justify the effort. Now nothing new but it continues open ended with nothing new to share with the people. Trump has the only handle to end this bullshit and cause a renewed great clamor. A completely unfair position to put your chief executive in and I think it has no original intent in the Constitution. Certainly no amendments to justify this egregious abuse of the duly elected President.

 

[Denny Crane]

you're right.

 

[Denny Crane]

Wrong!
It was a deep state career Justice department employee in the role of Assistant AG that had an opening due to a weak kneed AG. The American people were very poorly served that day.
Now we have this open ended process, running without accountability to the people. First with the mission to investigate collusion with Russia with no evidence to justify the effort. Now nothing new but it continues open ended with nothing new to share with the people. Trump has the only handle to end this bullshit and cause a renewed great clamor. A completely unfair position to put your chief executive in and I think it has no original intent in the Constitution. Certainly no amendments to justify this egregious abuse of the duly elected President.

The appointment effectively made the Russia, Russia, Russia thing go away. Since he's finding nothing at all, even the media has stopped spreading that lie.