Steve Nash = Man

[chris_in_pdx]

6 stitches above his eye, with no local anesthisia, in the locker room and back on the court.

That's a man who wants to win.

 

[Kaydow]

I second that. Man, when did the Suns get so tough? I guess all of those years being labeled "soft" made them mad.

 

[Sug]

Chad in Portland thinks he is a pussy, he should know as he is the world's leading authority on being one.

 

[KingSpeed]

I second that. Man, when did the Suns get so tough? I guess all of those years being labeled "soft" made them mad.

Nash has always been tough.

 

[BoBoBREWSKI]

 

[blue32]

Hes a Canadian cyborg. of course hes still playing

 

[mook]

I think Amare is a lot tougher guy than he was in his early years. The cheap shots against the Blazers that have pissed off so many Portland fans were exactly the kind of thing veteran big men do in the playoffs who want to win.

Grant Hill is definitely a tough character. He's been through it all and now just wants that title. It's amazing how he's transformed his game into this defensive stopper.

And Jason Richardson is a guy who spent years being The Man on pretty futile teams.

All three of those guys have been through a ton of hard experiences to get to where they are now. This Suns team is a world of toughness away from the soft Suns teams of a few years ago.

Especially with Nash, they are plenty tough enough to win a championship. Their problem is just matching up against the imposing size of the Lakers. Hell, their third biggest player, Odom, is probably bigger than Amare. And you've got Bynum, Pau, the physical specimen of Ron Artest, Kobe is pretty big for a SG....

I don't often agree with Sir Charles, but he's right about that series. The Suns' only chance is to put up a ton of points.

 

[LittleAlex]

Chad in Portland thinks he is a pussy, he should know as he is the world's leading authority on being one.

CIP is far and away the stupidest radio sports broadcaster I have ever had the displeasure of listening to.

I haven't ever heard the guy say one funny or smart thing I don't expect to.

 

[hasoos]

I think Amare is a lot tougher guy than he was in his early years. The cheap shots against the Blazers that have pissed off so many Portland fans were exactly the kind of thing veteran big men do in the playoffs who want to win.

Grant Hill is definitely a tough character. He's been through it all and now just wants that title. It's amazing how he's transformed his game into this defensive stopper.

And Jason Richardson is a guy who spent years being The Man on pretty futile teams.

All three of those guys have been through a ton of hard experiences to get to where they are now. This Suns team is a world of toughness away from the soft Suns teams of a few years ago.

Especially with Nash, they are plenty tough enough to win a championship. Their problem is just matching up against the imposing size of the Lakers. Hell, their third biggest player, Odom, is probably bigger than Amare. And you've got Bynum, Pau, the physical specimen of Ron Artest, Kobe is pretty big for a SG....

I don't often agree with Sir Charles, but he's right about that series. The Suns' only chance is to put up a ton of points.

I find it interesting that Amare, has a history very similar to Oden. He has suffered many major injuries to his knee, and has come back to dominate. A lot of folks doubted Amare, and look at him now. Is there a similar fate in Portland soon?

 

[BoBoBREWSKI]

This dude is tough!

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2010/news/story?id=5215555

Suns guard Steve Nash will undergo surgery to repair a broken nose and displaced cartilage he suffered in Sunday night's conference finals win over the Lakers in Phoenix.

Nash

The Suns' ear, nose and throat physician, Dr. Ryan Rehl, will perform the procedure, and Nash will join the team afterward for practice later Monday.
Nash suffered the injury in a collision with Derek Fisher in the fourth quarter of the 118-109 victory, as the Suns took their first win of the series in Game 3.

Nash finished with 17 points and 15 assists in 38 minutes, scoring six points in the final three minutes.
It's the second straight playoff series Nash has taken a significant blow to the face, after an elbow from Tim Duncan in the second-round finale of the Suns' sweep of the Spurs left him with a black and swollen-shut right eye.
The Suns host the Lakers again for Game 4 on Tuesday night at 9 p.m. ET.

"I don't think I broke it, I think I rearranged it," Nash joked of his nose Sunday night. "Obviously there's a dent and it's bent. I think I whacked the cartilage out of place, but I tried to push it back into place so it's not as bent now, but it's still nicely curved."

Nash seemed to be in obvious discomfort during the fourth quarter. Television cameras captured him trying to readjust his nose on several occasions and muttering under his breath in frustration.
Information from ESPNLosAngeles.com's Ramona Shelburne was used in this report.

 

[handiman]

I find it interesting that Amare, has a history very similar to Oden. He has suffered many major injuries to his knee, and has come back to dominate. A lot of folks doubted Amare, and look at him now. Is there a similar fate in Portland soon?

There's one key difference I see: Amare regularly comes back earlier and more fully recovered than expected, while Oden misses longer stretches, lags behind schedule, and never seems fully recovered. Rate of recovery is not a well understood thing.

 

[LittleAlex]

Chad in Portland thinks he is a pussy, he should know as he is the world's leading authority on being one.

Since CIP has never actually seen a pussy how can we expect him to recognize one?

 

[hasoos]

Since CIP has never actually seen a pussy how can we expect him to recognize one?

Maybe by luring him to strip bar named "The Bearded Clam"??

 

[e_blazer]

There's one key difference I see: Amare regularly comes back earlier and more fully recovered than expected, while Oden misses longer stretches, lags behind schedule, and never seems fully recovered. Rate of recovery is not a well understood thing.

I think your memory is a bit hazy. In October 2005, Stoudemire had microfracture surgery. He returned to playing very early (March 2006) and then started having problems with his knees due to stiffness. He took off the remainder of the season and didn't play again until the following year. Based partially upon Stoudemire's experience, the Blazers decided to hold Oden out for his entire first season. He came back the following season fully recovered from the microfracture surgery and it hasn't been a problem since then. The kneecap chip the following season and this year's broken kneecap had nothing to do with the original microfracture injury.

 

[¹²³]

I find it interesting that Amare, has a history very similar to Oden. He has suffered many major injuries to his knee, and has come back to dominate. A lot of folks doubted Amare, and look at him now. Is there a similar fate in Portland soon?

Amare had 5 full seasons out of 8 and, as you said, he found ways to dominate again. Oden didn't have any full season and have yet to dominate. I'm not sure it's very similar history.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

This dude is tough!

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2010/news/story?id=5215555

When I saw that happen I said to my brother, "He just broke his nose." My brother said, "No, it was crooked before and he isn't even in any pain."

Gotta love Steve Nash.

 

[Further]

I don't think this makes Nash tough. He may be, but I was 9 years old and broke my nose in a diving competition by having my nose hit the board. I was back out competing 15min later and never got it fixed any more than my father snapping it back into place. Broken noses are not that bad and they are not weight bearing. No big deal.

 

[handiman]

I think your memory is a bit hazy. In October 2005, Stoudemire had microfracture surgery. He returned to playing very early (March 2006) and then started having problems with his knees due to stiffness. He took off the remainder of the season and didn't play again until the following year.

That doesn't exactly contradict what I said about him healing quick enough to return ahead of schedule... He just hadn't made a full recovery yet. Oden was probably still on crutches at the same stage Amare tried returning.

Based partially upon Stoudemire's experience, the Blazers decided to hold Oden out for his entire first season. He came back the following season fully recovered from the microfracture surgery and it hasn't been a problem since then. The kneecap chip the following season and this year's broken kneecap had nothing to do with the original microfracture injury.

Do you really believe that last sentence and everything else the team docs are feeding you?

 

[e_blazer]

Do you really believe that last sentence and everything else the team docs are feeding you?

I don't think it takes much more than a modest knowlege of human anatomy to understand that damage to articular cartilage (which is what Oden and Stoudemire had) has absolutely nothing to do with a chipped or broken kneecap. But, if you want to believe in some weird notion about a conspiracy among Blazers' medical staff, enjoy your trip.

 

[crandc]

It just goes to show, coming from a country that welcomes conscientious objectors and legalizes same sex marriage makes a person tough.

I've always liked Steve Nash (except when he plays the Blazers). Dallas dumped him because Cuban did not like his political opinions, how is that for dipstick moves?

 

[handiman]

I don't think it takes much more than a modest knowlege of human anatomy to understand that damage to articular cartilage (which is what Oden and Stoudemire had) has absolutely nothing to do with a chipped or broken kneecap.

And it doesn't take much common sense to understand that non-directly related injuries in the same area often have a causal relationship.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

And it doesn't take much common sense to understand that non-directly related injuries in the same area often have a causal relationship.

Do you also think all the earthquakes this year are related?

 

[e_blazer]

And it doesn't take much common sense to understand that non-directly related injuries in the same area often have a causal relationship.

I guess I'd be more apt to believe that if the microfracture weren't on the right knee and the chipped/broken kneecap on the left. I think that Greg's microfracture and broken kneecap have about the same degree of causal relationship as Stoudemire's knee injury and his detached retina.

 

[LittleAlex]

Chaos Theory tells us that when a butterfly flaps it's wings in the amazon, Greg Oden breaks a knee.



True story!

 

[handiman]

Do you also think all the earthquakes this year are related?

That was a pretty weak attempt at sarcasm, as the answer is most definitely yes.

 

[handiman]

I guess I'd be more apt to believe that if the microfracture weren't on the right knee and the chipped/broken kneecap on the left. I think that Greg's microfracture and broken kneecap have about the same degree of causal relationship as Stoudemire's knee injury and his detached retina.

I'm guessing you don't really believe the second half of that statement... Getting poked in the eye obviously has nothing to do with structural issues.

As for Oden, unless it's an acute injury such as an ACL tear, it is highly likely that any two knee injuries, even on opposite knees, are related. People have bad knees, not a bad knee... None of Oden's three recent knee injuries are sufficiently explained by what happened at the time (i.e. getting off the couch, bumping knees, or jumping), so it's much more plausible that an underlying issue is at play.

 

[julius]

I'm guessing you don't really believe the second half of that statement... Getting poked in the eye obviously has nothing to do with structural issues.

As for Oden, unless it's an acute injury such as an ACL tear, it is highly likely that any two knee injuries, even on opposite knees, are related. People have bad knees, not a bad knee... None of Oden's three recent knee injuries are sufficiently explained by what happened at the time (i.e. getting off the couch, bumping knees, or jumping), so it's much more plausible that an underlying issue is at play.

not necessarily true. I have only one bad knee.

Also, I don't think anyone said that the MF was caused by him getting off the couch, thats when he felt it the first time.

And the patella breaking is actually explained by him jumping. I believe that your leg muscle contracts, and pulls on the knee-cap.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

That was a pretty weak attempt at sarcasm, as the answer is most definitely yes.

And, except for the fact that seismologists agree that the earthquakes (on 8 differerent plates with 2 different plate boundary types) aren't related causally...?

Look, the human mind is designed to find causal relationships, patterns. When it sees things, it forms a pattern, a reason why that happened. Even if that reason is "they must be related somehow". It's instinct, way below frontal lobe thinking. It's natural. It's why we thrive as a species. But it produces false positives all the time. Those false positives are usually manifested in little things like small myths (the hot hand) and conspiracy theories (inside job).

So feel good: your brain is wired to survive. It's finding connections all over the place. It's also finding some false positives.