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If the racists in the forum can get past the first black speaker, there's a guy there with a little butter and cinnamon southern drawl next (love that guy).
 
I can't even get past the insulting thread title, grouping all poor people into some mythical target.

We are all unique, and everyone's financial situation is different due to a myriad of desires, actions and causes, from within ourselves and from outside influences.
 
There are some good points in that video. Not sure the snarky delivery helps sell the message, but that's irrelevant.

As the video says, there are multiple reasons why people are poor. I agree that people on the right tend to play the blame game way too much. I also think that folks on the left tend to look for "solutions" in the form of more government programs that don't usually tend to actually solve anything.

My biggest concern is that too much of the conversation on this issue is based along the traditional left- right' paradigm regarding poverty. The fact is, our society is going to be increasingly dealing with economic and, more importantly, technological factors that are going to have tremendous impacts on folks at the bottom end of the economic range. Moving jobs overseas was the big mover of the past twenty years or so that resulted in manufacturing jobs being lost from middle-America and laid wast to economies there. I think that artificial intelligence is going to have an even bigger impact on our economies. As AI takes over the handling of all kinds of things from driving cars, taking orders and preparing fast food meals, and repetitive manufacturing functions, we're going to see people who are currently doing those jobs get displaced from the employment sector. It's going to be interesting to see if we can adapt our society to share the wealth we generate to provide at least a subsistence baseline for everyone, or if there's going to be an ever-increasing disparity between those who have and those who don't.
 
e_blazer said:
My biggest concern is that too much of the conversation on this issue is based along the traditional left- right' paradigm regarding poverty. The fact is, our society is going to be increasingly dealing with economic and, more importantly, technological factors that are going to have tremendous impacts on folks at the bottom end of the economic range. Moving jobs overseas was the big mover of the past twenty years or so that resulted in manufacturing jobs being lost from middle-America and laid wast to economies there. I think that artificial intelligence is going to have an even bigger impact on our economies. As AI takes over the handling of all kinds of things from driving cars, taking orders and preparing fast food meals, and repetitive manufacturing functions, we're going to see people who are currently doing those jobs get displaced from the employment sector. It's going to be interesting to see if we can adapt our society to share the wealth we generate to provide at least a subsistence baseline for everyone, or if there's going to be an ever-increasing disparity between those who have and those who don't.
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I agree with this completely. As computers automate more and more, there simply aren't going to be enough jobs for everyone who needs one to have one, if we continue with the paradigm of "only gainfully employed people deserve to eat and have shelter and generally live their lives." That's why I think Universal Basic Income is going to be a necessity eventually. Right now, it's a harder sell when we can still reach what is generally considered "full employment," but in a generation or two or three, I think that won't be the case.
 
Minstrel said:
I agree with this completely. As computers automate more and more, there simply aren't going to be enough jobs for everyone who needs one to have one, if we continue with the paradigm of "only gainfully employed people deserve to eat and have shelter and generally live their lives." That's why I think Universal Basic Income is going to be a necessity eventually. Right now, it's a harder sell when we can still reach what is generally considered "full employment," but in a generation or two or three, I think that won't be the case.
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Real world history and today's reality make a mockery of the notion that technology and/or science will ever result in less employment opportunities for humans.
 
MARIS61 said:
Real world history and today's reality make a mockery of the notion that technology and/or science will ever result in less employment opportunities for humans.
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Note to MARIS61: We've never had AI before.
 
dviss1 said:
If the racists in the forum can get past the first black speaker, there's a guy there with a little butter and cinnamon southern drawl next (love that guy).
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She's cute. Wanna punch her in the face but she's still attractive.

I agree with most of everything in the video but myth 5 isn't a myth at all.

If we want to include homeless people in "poor" I don't suppose ours have it too much better. The everyday work 2 jobs poor American sure seems to have it better than poor people in India for example.

All the people on welfare at Winco have EVERYTHING I have. Shelter, food clothes, cell phone, car and so on. Some of mine is just better. Not all.

We really need to slow population growth dramatically if anything.
 
MARIS61 said:
And we never will.
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Well, Climate change could prevent us from making the three quantum leaps in computing power required before we can begin executing all the friggin code. Since never is too long, I can't speak never but don't need to when we the beginning is confused with heuristic.
 
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Sorry bro, I refuse to watch anything released by MTV. I'm guessing the 'liberal redneck' is MTV's uninspired attempt to show the world that even piece of shit rednecks from the south can adhere to the 'correct' ideologies, and no longer be pieces of shit. What an oxymoron!

Thanks MTV, I had no idea there were people in the south that weren't racist pieces of shit.
 
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/05/black-unemployment-rate-falls-to-record-low.html

Black unemployment rate falls to record low
  • The Bureau of Labor Statistics reports 6.8 percent unemployment rate for black workers in December, the lowest in the 45 years the data has been tracked.
Unemployment among black workers is at its lowest since at least the early 1970s, when the government began tracking the data.

The black unemployment rate of 6.8 percent in December was the lowest since the Bureau of Labor Statistics started tracking it in 1972, a year in which the rate ranged from 11.2 percent to 9.4 percent. In the 45 years the data has been tracked, the unemployment rate for black or African-American workers aged 16 years and older has never fallen below 7 percent.

Unemployment rate - Black or African-American - since 1972


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Source: Bureau of Labor Statistics
 
Denny Crane said:
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/05/black-unemployment-rate-falls-to-record-low.html

Black unemployment rate falls to record low
  • The Bureau of Labor Statistics reports 6.8 percent unemployment rate for black workers in December, the lowest in the 45 years the data has been tracked.
Unemployment among black workers is at its lowest since at least the early 1970s, when the government began tracking the data.

The black unemployment rate of 6.8 percent in December was the lowest since the Bureau of Labor Statistics started tracking it in 1972, a year in which the rate ranged from 11.2 percent to 9.4 percent. In the 45 years the data has been tracked, the unemployment rate for black or African-American workers aged 16 years and older has never fallen below 7 percent.

Unemployment rate - Black or African-American - since 1972


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Source: Bureau of Labor Statistics
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Who gives a shit? I'm supposed to get excited about that? It's still near DOUBLE white people.
 
MarAzul said:
Well, Climate change could prevent us from making the three quantum leaps in computing power required before we can begin executing all the friggin code. Since never is too long, I can't speak never but don't need to when we the beginning is confused with heuristic.
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You, and probably MARIS, are talking about what’s referred to as “strong” AI. That’s a level of artificial intelligence that has a form of consciousness and can set its own goals. That’s likely decades away. What I was referring to is “weak” AI; artificial intelligence that’s directed at a specific task. We already have rudimentary forms of that in things like Siri, early versions of self-driving cars, etc. My Subaru’s Eyesight system recognizes when I’m drifting out of my lane and can nudge me back into it. It can slam on the brakes if I don’t see the car ahead of me braking strongly. That type of weak AI technology is going to expand exponentially in the near future. How hard do you think it is for your local McDonalds to replace the minimum wage job at the order window with a voice recognition system that fully handles your order for a Big Mac, Coke and fries? Amazon is already rolling out automated supermarkets where every item you put into your shopping cart is automatically added to your bill and charged to your account when you roll out the door without ever talking with a store employee. Companies are going to be looking to this type of technology to keep their bottom line humming along, especially as local governments start implementing higher minimum wage requirements. This isn’t science fiction. It’s here and it’s only getting started.
 
Also I knew this shit was a wrap when I saw mtv did this video. Still watched the whole thing. Anybody who knows statistics could of told you most poor people are white given the fact that uhhh you know whites people make up some 70 percent of America’s population. These are the trump voters. The right. Uneducated and fucking their cousins. Yes I know that was a big generalization and stereotypical but fuck it it’s 2018 let’s party.
 
dviss1 said:
Who gives a shit? I'm supposed to get excited about that? It's still near DOUBLE white people.
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You sound like Wesley just after being brought back from the dead. "My brains, his steel, your strength, against 60 men, and you think a little head jiggle is supposed to make me happy?"



Sometimes, even when things aren't exactly where you want them to be, it is possible to take some joy in or at least satisfaction with progress in the correct direction.
 
e_blazer said:
How hard do you think it is for your local McDonalds to replace the minimum wage job at the order window with a voice recognition system that fully handles your order
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Not hard at all. It will happen. Ha! I will buy just as many then as I do now.

What you call AI now I have referred to as heuristic programming, we have been doing for more than 30 years. Driving a car is
not much different than I do now in my boat, click the screen and hit the button to go there. All using input from sensors, cool stuff but it doesn't take much processing power.

I had an research project to explore the possibilities of AI 30 pulse years ago now to get near human intelligence, and then beyond.
Processing power man, we haven't got it. 10 x 10 a few times then maybe. Have you noticed the increase in processing power available in the new stuff coming the past 10 years? Great increases in efficiency as far as electrical power usage and I like that for use on my battery bank, but the computing power is almost the same. Well 2 or 3 x when you move to 8 way or more but no quantum leaps.

Will we do it? I don't know how, so I don't know. Warp drive ain't here either.
 
e_blazer said:
as local governments start implementing higher minimum wage requirements.
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How long do you think they will do this? When it clearly eliminates jobs, how long before they reverse direction and start requiring
jobs instead of tech?

I don't know???
 
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