Stotts just gave one of the worst answers I’ve ever heard in a postgame.

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PtldPlatypus said:
Thing is, they're not "miracle adjustments". The adjustments people are calling for--have been calling for for weeks/months/years--are pretty basic. And there is, of course, no guarantee that they would result in taking GSW down, but they would at least demonstrate an attempt to address the greatest threat posed by GSW's personnel/system.
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Nobody has been calling for Collins and Hood to replace them for months and years. They joined the team 3 months ago....

There isnt an answer. People mad at Stotts for not changing in the playoffs are just being silly to me at this point. Should he have tried more changes in the season? Maybe , but for the bulk of it, he didn't have the options he now has and he had to test them out and see how/where they fit.

NOW he has a couple guys who have started to prove themselves but its deep in the playoffs and you don't make these types of changes without an injury or a sure bet. Just because they have been good for us, doesn't mean its a sure bet to change 2/5ths of the lineup like that in the middle of a playoff series.

You guys are not being accurate with your timeline and statements....

Carry on.
 
Orion Bailey said:
Nobody has been calling for Collins and Hood to replace them for months and years. They joined the team 3 months ago....

There isnt an answer. People mad at Stotts for not changing in the playoffs are just being silly to me at this point. Should he have tried more changes in the season? Maybe , but for the bulk of it, he didn't have the options he now has and he had to test them out and see how/where they fit.

NOW he has a couple guys who have started to prove themselves but its deep in the playoffs and you don't make these types of changes without an injury or a sure bet. Just because they have been good for us, doesn't mean its a sure bet to change 2/5ths of the lineup like that in the middle of a playoff series.

You guys are not being accurate with your timeline and statements....

Carry on.
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Dame has been getting trapped since the Clippers four years ago. That is not a new problem.

We have played the Warriors countless times in the regular season and this is our THIRD series against them in the playoffs. Everyone, and I mean everyone, knows that you can't leave Curry and Klay wide open for three. It's just asinine.

There is no excuse for Stotts not having solutions to these problems.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Dame has been getting trapped since the Clippers four years ago. That is not a new problem.

We have played the Warriors countless times in the regular season and this is our THIRD series against them in the playoffs. Everyone, and I mean everyone, knows that you can't leave Curry and Klay wide open for three. It's just asinine.

There is no excuse for Stotts not having solutions to these problems.
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One excuse would be, all other teams have the same issues? I get it. Open shots are never good, but sometimes an offense is bettere than the opposing defence.

Yeah but the topic of the convo I was addressing was making starting lineup changes in the playoffs.

No doubt there have been some issues in the past, but the focus, I thought, was on changing the lineup by starting the two guys we just acquired a few months ago. I dont agree with doing that. Anything else over the last 4 years ,is a different discussion? Or maybe Im focusing on one point of the discussion because thats what was being addressed?
 
Orion Bailey said:
Nobody has been calling for Collins and Hood to replace them for months and years. They joined the team 3 months ago....

There isnt an answer. People mad at Stotts for not changing in the playoffs are just being silly to me at this point. Should he have tried more changes in the season? Maybe , but for the bulk of it, he didn't have the options he now has and he had to test them out and see how/where they fit.

NOW he has a couple guys who have started to prove themselves but its deep in the playoffs and you don't make these types of changes without an injury or a sure bet. Just because they have been good for us, doesn't mean its a sure bet to change 2/5ths of the lineup like that in the middle of a playoff series.

You guys are not being accurate with your timeline and statements....

Carry on.
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Ive thought for years they needed to upgrade one of their starting forwards. Too inconsistent for my tastes. Anywho, Im not that down or anything game 2 is tomorrow.
 
hoopsjock said:
I'm sorry but this post is just a bullshit excuse to me. Jokic is a terrible defender but he was able to trap Dame last series and make it tough on him. Kanter didn't even attempt to hedge, blitz, or trap (obviously by design) Curry so how do you know it wouldn't work? Besides if we double Curry and guys like Bogut, Looney, Green, and Iggy end up beating us then I would be much more at ease with the fact that we at least would've TRIED to do something.
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OneSport3 said:
This is not true. They were using the drop coverage when Collins was in there also. Read Jason Quick's article. He said all of the players were questioning Stotts' strategy.
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The difference is you could see that Zach desperately wanted to go out and cover the shooter. He'd take a few steps in that direction, then he'd force himself to follow coach's orders.
 
OneSport3 said:
This is not true. They were using the drop coverage when Collins was in there also. Read Jason Quick's article. He said all of the players were questioning Stotts' strategy.
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Bingo. It had nothing to do with Kanter's defensive limitations. Our best defender (Collins) was doing the same thing.

If there's one silver lining to be found, it's that our players are immensely coachable, all being willing to follow suicidal marching orders. That tells me, there's potential for good defensive schemes if only they're given intelligent instructions.
 
Orion Bailey said:
Nobody has been calling for Collins and Hood to replace them for months and years. They joined the team 3 months ago....

There isnt an answer. People mad at Stotts for not changing in the playoffs are just being silly to me at this point. Should he have tried more changes in the season? Maybe , but for the bulk of it, he didn't have the options he now has and he had to test them out and see how/where they fit.

NOW he has a couple guys who have started to prove themselves but its deep in the playoffs and you don't make these types of changes without an injury or a sure bet. Just because they have been good for us, doesn't mean its a sure bet to change 2/5ths of the lineup like that in the middle of a playoff series.

You guys are not being accurate with your timeline and statements....

Carry on.
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Here's the thing, no one is asking Stotts to change.

We're asking him to ADJUST....

Our defense last night was the literal definition of insanity.

Let's keep trying the same thing and expect different results...
 
I just don't see how having our big guy engage the high screen, smother the guard to run him off the three, and hedge to slow him down on his drive, giving time for Dame to get back in front of Curry, would have been worse than giving Curry wide open threes. I may never get over it.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I'm just fucking tired of it.

This is the FOURTH FUCKING YEAR that we have seen this type of defense against Dame. The Clippers, the Warriors, the Pelicans, the Nuggets...... they have all trapped Dame and we have seen our best player greatly diminished because our fucking coach can't figure out how to hurt the other team for trapping.

We are still running the same ISO hero ball offense. If Dame isn't going HAM and dropping 30+, or CJ isn't going HAM and dropping 30+, we lose the game. It's so frustrating to watch Golden State, who has very similar talent at the guard positions, running an offense that can get them open looks.

This is our THIRD time facing Golden State in the playoffs. How have we not figured out how to defend them? I understand that Curry and Klay can hit shots that are impossible to defend, but you can't give them wide open looks.

Terry STILL refuses to change the starting lineup. He stuck with that shitty Aminu/Harkless lineup for most of the first quarter despite getting into another early hole.

This isn't in-game adjustments. This is Terry Stotts refusing to make adjustments FOR YEARS. These are things we have been seeing FOR YEARS. Teams have been trapping Dame FOR YEARS. We should not be relying on Dame or CJ to go completely unconscious one on one to win us games. That's not a good or sustainable offense. This is the most beatable Warriors team I have ever seen and we could not take advantage. It's extremely frustrating and the entire league is laughing at us right now.
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I don't think the issue is he can't it's he doesn't want to. If Terry wins he wants it to be his way so he can say 'see, my methods work'.

There is your problem.
 
Orion Bailey said:
Nobody has been calling for Collins and Hood to replace them for months and years. They joined the team 3 months ago....

There isnt an answer. People mad at Stotts for not changing in the playoffs are just being silly to me at this point. Should he have tried more changes in the season? Maybe , but for the bulk of it, he didn't have the options he now has and he had to test them out and see how/where they fit.

NOW he has a couple guys who have started to prove themselves but its deep in the playoffs and you don't make these types of changes without an injury or a sure bet. Just because they have been good for us, doesn't mean its a sure bet to change 2/5ths of the lineup like that in the middle of a playoff series.

You guys are not being accurate with your timeline and statements....

Carry on.
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The OP was about the defensive scheme. The thread was about the defensive scheme. My answer to your contextless question was in regard to the defensive scheme.

Why are you talking about lineup changes instead of the defensive scheme?
 
Orion Bailey said:
One excuse would be, all other teams have the same issues? I get it. Open shots are never good, but sometimes an offense is bettere than the opposing defence.

Yeah but the topic of the convo I was addressing was making starting lineup changes in the playoffs.

No doubt there have been some issues in the past, but the focus, I thought, was on changing the lineup by starting the two guys we just acquired a few months ago. I dont agree with doing that. Anything else over the last 4 years ,is a different discussion? Or maybe Im focusing on one point of the discussion because thats what was being addressed?
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OB, if GS beats us then fine. No one thinks they can just be shut down by playing a different defense. But how can you not even attempt to make a three point shooting team take tougher threes? They'll still make a ton of them but at least we would make them work a little harder and maybe get them more tired in the process so their defense suffers a little.

When the opposing team is laughing after the game about how easy it was do you think that's acceptable? When the announcers say in the first quarter that the defense has to change immediately and in the 4th quarter they are still amazed that we aren't changing it, is that okay to you?

Curry shoots more difficult shots in warmups than he did last night. That is a problem.
 
This isn't about winning the series after last night; its about not getting swept
 
PtldPlatypus said:
The OP was about the defensive scheme. The thread was about the defensive scheme. My answer to your contextless question was in regard to the defensive scheme.

Why are you talking about lineup changes instead of the defensive scheme?
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Because that is what most everyone in several threads has been complaining about from last series into this. I dont have the time at the moment to search and quote all of them. Im sure you have seen them.

No one has explained the adjustments to be made clearly, at the time I had posted, so I went based off what everyone has been saying the last few days.

The adjustments people have said they wanted was to replace Aminu and Harkless with Collins and Hood.

Am I wrong?
 
hoopsjock said:
OB, if GS beats us then fine. No one thinks they can just be shut down by playing a different defense. But how can you not even attempt to make a three point shooting team take tougher threes? They'll still make a ton of them but at least we would make them work a little harder and maybe get them more tired in the process so their defense suffers a little.

When the opposing team is laughing after the game about how easy it was do you think that's acceptable? When the announcers say in the first quarter that the defense has to change immediately and in the 4th quarter they are still amazed that we aren't changing it, is that okay to you?

Curry shoots more difficult shots in warmups than he did last night. That is a problem.
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Not at all. Two different discussions. So again . What adjustments can Stotts make that will work? So far in most threads, the only clear answer I have seen most give is to change the lineup.

I may have missed some posts though....
 
Orion Bailey said:
Because that is what most everyone in several threads has been complaining about from last series into this. I dont have the time at the moment to search and quote all of them. Im sure you have seen them.

No one has explained the adjustments to be made clearly, at the time I had posted, so I went based off what everyone has been saying the last few days.

The adjustments people have said they wanted was to replace Aminu and Harkless with Collins and Hood.

Am I wrong?
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Yes, you're wrong. This thread in which you posted was specifically in regard to Stotts' postgame comments in response to a question about how we defended Curry. Many posts in this thread reiterated the many-years-long refrain that this team needs to change our PnR defense. As such, my comments were in regard to the same.
 
Shit. Sorry . I thought I was commenting in the other thread about stotts.. laying off him . Thats where most of the comments I believe are about swapping the starting lineup.
 
SIeepwalker said:
Honestly after game 1 this series feel very winnable. We just need to stop letting Klay and Steph walk into wide open 3s. For the love of god Stotts please
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And make so many turnovers that translate around 30 points. That might bigger negative then what Curry and Thompson did in the game.
 
Orion Bailey said:
Not at all. Two different discussions. So again . What adjustments can Stotts make that will work? So far in most threads, the only clear answer I have seen most give is to change the lineup.

I may have missed some posts though....
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Read this thread again. The answer is ANY FUCKING ADJUSTMENT IS BETTER THAN GIVING CURRY AND THOMPSON OPEN THREES.

We didn't even hedge a pick or trap a pick. Every fucking time the guard died on the pick and the big sagged back too far giving them clean open looks.

I don't even get how you are arguing when you obviously aren't reading the posts.

Edit: You clarified your confusion while I was typing.
 
BBert said:
I wonder, does current ownership have enough stability, direction, and basketball acumen to do that? Outside of Olshey, who could convince whom to make such a move? I doubt Olshey even would. So who?
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More likely Stotts gets a extension due to we have reach this far with injured players. I don't see a new coach anytime soon.
 
riverman said:
y'all are just trippin' after a road loss to the champs in the WCF......this series is just starting.
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Bullshit. I never had these negative responses when we lost 3 games to the youngest team in the league.

And this response is an enabler to Terry's horrible defensive scheme.

Stop stymieing people's ability to vent over the SAME defensive scheme that got us SWEPT outta the playoffs the last 2 years.

It doesn't work.
 
Wow.
People jumpin out of their jeans already.
R-E-L-A-X.
Stotts had a bad game.
Dame had a bad game.
CJ had a bad game.
Zach had a bad game.
Aminu had a bad game.
Enes had a bad game.

A. Game.
For the panicked and pissed we have "white towles on aisle 5"
For the rest we have "ballsacks on aisle 12"..
Geez.
 
oldmangrouch said:
Anybody else feel like there is some cognitive dissonance here? Stotts refuses to use the trap against somebody like Curry and implies it is ineffective. Somebody uses the trap against Dame, and it becomes the invincible defense he has no counter for. WTF?
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Terry has always been the king of cognitive dissonance. He started out his Blazers career building the offense around long two-point shots (from a very mediocre shooter). Meanwhile, he designed his defense to give up...long two-point shots!

I've been hammering on this, literally, since his first season here. The dude is not a good coach.
 
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