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PtldPlatypus said:
The civil rights protesters in the 60's accepted the consequences of their protests,
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In many cases this meant death...and to answer your question...I'm sure all the students who march today are well aware of the consequence of challenging the system...but in my view, they have every right to challenge it. If they protested for the right to bear arms in the classroom, I'd respect their right to protest as well...I just wouldn't cheer them on because I disagree with that concept...go to an abortion clinic and see that people are outside every one protesting daily and often harassing clients at the clinic....protests are ongoing in America and across the globe..I support the kids in their activism and we all pick and choose our battles most often accepting the consequence of our action...I lived through the Vietnam war and civil rights era of the 60s...some did it right and some did not..many of us learned though...
 
Cippy91 said:
I would be interested in knowing exactly how many of them actually care and how many are just doing it to do it because you know, trends...
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In the 60s we found that many who just followed the groups in protesting came away from the protest with life changing experiences....so maybe some are just there because their girlfriend is but that doesn't take away from the kids who actually are invested in the issue...every protest has leaders...not all are Gandhi or Martin Luther King Jr
 
CupWizier said:
Remo+
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The law says I have to be 16 years old to get a drivers license. The law says I have to be 21 years old to purchase and consume alcohol. The law says I have to be 21 years old to purchase a hand gun. The law says I have to be 18 years old to vote Why do those laws exist? We have restrictions in our lives all the time. When I was first growing up and driving and even well before me, it was pretty common for people to drink and drive until a group of women formed an organization called MADD that changed the laws and increased the pressure to make it more punishable to drink and drive. Laws are being made all the time Brian.

This is what MADD has accomplished since their inception in 1980
50% less drunk driving deaths
370,000 lives have been saved
840,000 victims have been helped

Imagine if people just sat back and said oh well, we don't need to change anything. MADD never wanted to take alcohol away just like gun control advocates don't say take guns away.
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I used to drink and drive often. Three times I've been stopped by policemen who damn well knew I was drunk. One had me follow him home even though I was dead drunk. Another right here in Lake Oswego let me go near my home. I think he was a kid I used to know when I was about 7. He later became the chief out here. The third policeman was in Florida and told the three of us 19 year olds who bought our beer out of a drive through vending machine (25 cents per can back then), to go home carefully which we did. Now, I seldom drink and when I do I never drive. My wife also seldom drinks (maybe once a month and we have one or two) and she also never drives when she drinks. Times are different.

I used to laugh at jokes that poked unmerciful fun at African-Americans and now I wouldn't do that for anything.

Yeah, times change and the rest of us need to keep up. By the way, when is the last time you told or laughed at a dumb blond joke?
 
Lanny said:
By the way, when is the last time you told or laughed at a dumb blond joke?
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Any time my blond friend teases my blond daughter about their mutual blondness...
 
riverman said:
In many cases this meant death...
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Obviously I meant legal consequences.

riverman said:
and to answer your question...I'm sure all the students who march today are well aware of the consequence of challenging the system...but in my view, they have every right to challenge it. If they protested for the right to bear arms in the classroom, I'd respect their right to protest as well...I just wouldn't cheer them on because I disagree with that concept...go to an abortion clinic and see that people are outside every one protesting daily and often harassing clients at the clinic....protests are ongoing in America and across the globe..I support the kids in their activism and we all pick and choose our battles most often accepting the consequence of our action
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Agree completely--precisely my position as well. Our positions on the issues may differ, but our views on protest are perfectly aligned. :cheers:
 
Lanny said:
Not the same. It has to be intended to demean rather than rib.
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So then, it has less to do with the type of joke than the purpose? Jokes to demean Laker fans are OK?
 
PtldPlatypus said:
I'm not putting them at the same level; in fact, I'm setting them as a contrast because they're not at the same level. What I'm asking is whether your support for student protest is universal, or if it is based upon your approval of the cause.

Of course, I also see that you conveniently ignored the first two examples I gave, which directly relate to the issue at hand.
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It was never about me. I support what I believe in whether it's through marching myself or just offering moral support or maybe something in between.
 
Call me a pussy and I'd understand why.

I would NOT let my kids go to these things.

Too much of a target and you only need one crazy person to cause a disaster.
 
I don't mind high schoolers doing their march. At least they're not using it as an excuse to break windows and burn shit. I haven't heard any of them come up with anything constructive, however. They mostly just make broad, generalized statements and demand that someone else do 'something'. That 'something' is still a mystery, though. Most of these kids live in a world where they ask for something and it materializes before them within a matter of days. Complex problems are met with oversimplified demands that are illogical.
 
I'm just happy that young people are paying attention to the world around them instead of being in a video game coma...the next generation needs be involved
 
Also, there are alot of pro-gun students from Parkland speaking out. The media has completely blacked them out, however. Meanwhile, junior CNN analyst David Hogg continues to be given the spotlight while he defends the four officers who stood around with their dicks in their hands while his classmates we're being murdered.
 
andalusian said:
So what you are saying is they will not get lost on their way to Seattle? (Or as the NBA calls it "Oklahoma City")
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I won't guarantee anything when it comes to kids and directions. My family and I were camping in northern Idaho one year and my son and daughter were driving back in my daughters car. When we were going through Spokane I called my son to see how the trip was going and my son said they just passed Colfax and I said "what?". Realizing they took the wrong exit in Spokane. Anyway they ended up going down the eastern Washington and Idaho border into Lewiston and finally got themselves back on the highway to Portland so no, I am not saying they won;t get lost, lol.
 
jonnyboy said:
I don't mind high schoolers doing their march. At least they're not using it as an excuse to break windows and burn shit. I haven't heard any of them come up with anything constructive, however. They mostly just make broad, generalized statements and demand that someone else do 'something'. That 'something' is still a mystery, though. Most of these kids live in a world where they ask for something and it materializes before them within a matter of days. Complex problems are met with oversimplified demands that are illogical.
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It's not up to our kids to come up with ideas, it's the lawmakers job. Most of the kids I have heard have been very reasonable and will at least accept some movement in the right direction, but there has been no movement other than Trump showing how easily he can be bought by the NRA. He's simply a two faced liar.
 
BrianFromWA said:
I can. It's against the rules. You know...kind of like the rules that the kids want to put in place for other things?

"Let's break rules and walk out of class, so that we can get lawmakers to make more rules that people won't break, even if they're insane, and "protect" us in our gun-free zone. Because only we can break rules, and only when we want to get a message across."

I guess I am one of the ones who fails to understand.

Personally, I'd love it if Capitol Police surrounded the march and arrested for truancy anyone who left before every word of every federal weapons regulation was read over the microphone. You wanna protest and get more laws? Better hear what's already on the books.
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Dumb
 
CupWizier said:
It's not up to our kids to come up with ideas, it's the lawmakers job. Most of the kids I have heard have been very reasonable and will at least accept some movement in the right direction, but there has been no movement other than Trump showing how easily he can be bought by the NRA. He's simply a two faced liar.
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Quit pretending Donald Trump invented mass shootings. The laws regarding guns have been the same for a long time. Playing willfully ignorant and pretending shootings are a new thing isn't helping anything. At least be honest with yourself and realize that no president since Columbine has done jack shit either. You can't just outlaw guns in a country where all the criminals already have them. Snap your fingers and make all guns disappear then you can go ahead and ban them, deal?
 
Next time you watch a western just imagine all the townspeople having no guns when the armed posse rolls through.
 
jonnyboy said:
Quit pretending Donald Trump invented mass shootings. The laws regarding guns have been the same for a long time. Playing willfully ignorant and pretending shootings are a new thing isn't helping anything. At least be honest with yourself and realize that no president since Columbine has done jack shit either. You can't just outlaw guns in a country where all the criminals already have them. Snap your fingers and make all guns disappear then you can go ahead and ban them, deal?
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what the fuck are you even talking about? There is no where in any of my posts that suggested I am blaming Trump for mass shootings or suggesting taking away all guns. Get a clue next time. You do understand who the lawmakers are don't you cause your response indicates that you don;t. Do a google search.
 
jonnyboy said:
Next time you watch a western just imagine all the townspeople having no guns when the armed posse rolls through.
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yeah, we have shootouts in my neighborhood every Friday evening starting at sundown pardner.
 
CupWizier said:
what the fuck are you even talking about? There is no where in any of my posts that suggested I am blaming Trump for mass shootings or suggesting taking away all guns. Get a clue next time. You do understand who the lawmakers are don't you cause your response indicates that you don;t. Do a google search.
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Why don't you elaborate your point instead of getting outraged and tiptoeing around an explanation? You clearly "suggested blame" when you claimed Trump was bought by the NRA and was a liar. Why else would you say that in regards to gun legislation of you weren't assigning blame?
CupWizier said:
yeah, we have shootouts in my neighborhood every Friday evening starting at sundown pardner.
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That's called a metaphor. Taking it literally makes you look silly, not me.
 
jonnyboy said:
Next time you watch a western just imagine all the townspeople having no guns when the armed posse rolls through.
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You mean like Marshal Dillon's town in Gunsmoke?
 
jonnyboy said:
Quit pretending Donald Trump invented mass shootings. The laws regarding guns have been the same for a long time. Playing willfully ignorant and pretending shootings are a new thing isn't helping anything. At least be honest with yourself and realize that no president since Columbine has done jack shit either. You can't just outlaw guns in a country where all the criminals already have them. Snap your fingers and make all guns disappear then you can go ahead and ban them, deal?
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I don't believe Trump invented mass shootings but I do believe he's perpetuating them.
 
CupWizier said:
as well as many other cities throughout the country in protest of no gun control action by Washington. Good for them and hopefully they can wake up the idiots in Washington that are suppose to make laws to protect us all.
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That's using their right to peaceably assemble.
 
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