Students sent home over American flag clothing

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PtldPlatypus said:
Not that far of a leap, but a leap all the same. We assume we know what the kids' motives were, and we don't. That's arrogant.
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Arrogant? To evaluate the facts and draw the inference that he was doing it to cause trouble?

When someone puts an item in their pocket and walks out of a store without paying, we don't know why but I think it is safe to give the opinion that he is stealing without being called arrogant.

In this case, it was cinco de mayo and it was a school with a high population of hispanics (again not being arrogant but believing so because of the area) . . . one can easily make an opinion that he is doing it to antagonize the school (maybe's it's wrong) but it's not like pulling it out of thin air.

Our differences on this issue seem pretty clear going through the thread (not saying either is right) . . . I fall strongly on the side to trust school administration and let them govern their campus. You are more of watching and policing the school conduct and making sure they are acting appropriately (trying to give your side without a negative twist).

I think the view of policing the schools add politcs to their decision making as they are always worries how their decisions will be interpreted by the media . . . but I get that people feel schools need to be called out on stuff like this. My first post was understanding this decision by the school would upset people. A much easier way out was for the AP to take no action. I wonder if he knew it would turn to this if he would do it again?
 
BrianFromWA said:
^^(shameless plug for more rep his way.)^^

Earn your own, old man! :cheers:
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If I wanted to be a rep whore I would have posted numerous pictures of Kobe photoshop'ed from the pictures of his LA Times photo shoot.
 
Just think how offended students would have been if these kids were allowed to wear red and yellow...

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One thing I feel sure about after reading all this . . . I wouldn't want my kid going to that school.

I'm guessing we all can agree on this.
 
Actually Cinco De Mayo isn't a Mexican national holiday and it's primarily celebrated in the USA while being completely ignored in most of Mexico. It might help to know what you're talking about before going on such a rant next time.
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Uh...yeah...whatever....

then it shouldn't even matter if kids wore an american flag shirt to school, should it? That is what is truly laughable about this...



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I think the true crime here is people are still making American flag clothing. American flag clothing is some of the ugliest clothing around!
 
^ lol
 
dpc said:
I think the true crime here is people are still making American flag clothing. American flag clothing is some of the ugliest clothing around!
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Mediocre Man said:
I look at people like John Dawson, James Hardy, Branch Rickey, Audie Murphy, Wally Schirra and even Percy Spencer. I'll bet most kids have no idea who any of those people are. I'll bet most adults don't know who they are either. They all had a great impact on the world today in some form or another though.
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which one? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Dawson

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Hardy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Percy_Spencer and inventing the microwave oven is pretty good I guess, but doesn't seem life saving or anything...
 
BlazerWookee said:
Just think how offended students would have been if these kids were allowed to wear red and yellow...

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I don't think I can clean all of that 80s trash out of my eyes! Mister Wookee Tear down that wall!
 
SlyPokerDog said:
If you think that is porn I've got some up skirt shots of Barbara Bush that will really get your motor revving.
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yeah, I know that's not really Sarah Palin, BUT to compare SarahPalin to Barbara Bush, I think there is something wrong with your eyes.
 
VanillaGorilla said:
I am going to admit that I exaggerated heavily. Sometimes it's hard to transition from talking to my dumbass friends and adults on a message board. So, I apologize for the exaggeration, but I still say it is stupid and hypocritical.

I think it is hypocritical because he talks about wanting freedom to wear American flag stuff, but thinks people who don't support the American government should "get the fuck out." What's worse is he says this is "above all else." Hmmm... :crazy:
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I think the people who live in America and hate it have every rite to hate it. If they hate it so much, why not just go somewhere else? That's what I was trying to convey. I also said nothing about the Government. I don't support anything this particular Governing body over America has been doing, but I support my country, and served to fight for it's freedoms.

So if people wanna burn flags and march on Washington because lil' Achmed is offended that we say the National Anthem in school, that's their choice. I'd rather them just get the fuck out and go somewhere they would be happy living, instead of trying to change everything about this country.
 
BlazerCaravan said:
Tangentally speaking, the GOP really could have a great Hispanic base if they just realized it; Hispanics overwhelmingly (98% iirc) are very religious (Catholic, so there's that to get around) and socially conservative because of it. If the GOP were to be the ones who made their presence legal, they'd have a metric fuckton of new voters in a solid block.
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Good point.
 
Mediocre Man said:
It's not really a good point. The majority of Hispanics are Catholic, and the majority of Catholics are Democrat.
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Do you have anything to back this up or is this just a "gut feeling" you have? I'd say they're split evenly if anything.
 
bluefrog said:
Do you have anything to back this up or is this just a "gut feeling" you have? I'd say they're split evenly if anything.
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It's not a gut feeling, but I don't want to find that stat. There are many articles about the rise of the Catholic church because of Hispanics though. Also articles on why Catholics vote Dem
 
Mediocre Man said:
It's not a gut feeling, but I don't want to find that stat. There are many articles about the rise of the Catholic church because of Hispanics though. Also articles on why Catholics vote Dem
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American Catholics vote Dem, but Hispanic Catholics are way more conservative than the average Catholic. They are more likely to vote Dem, though (and this was my point) because Republicans are trying to kick their kind out with the butt of a gun.
 
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Not to cross-knit religion and politics (who'm I kidding?) but I'm pretty sure the same bible that catholics and I use talks about following the civic laws of the land and paying taxes levied on you by the government of the land you're in/ruled by. The ones that the Republicans are trying to kick out (and into a line, if they want to come back in) are ones that a) aren't following the rules and b) not voting. So again, we're back to the "are you supposed to hate/demonstrate against/vote against people trying to enforce laws that people of your heritage/skin color are breaking?"
 
BrianFromWA said:
Not to cross-knit religion and politics (who'm I kidding?) but I'm pretty sure the same bible that catholics and I use talks about following the civic laws of the land and paying taxes levied on you by the government of the land you're in/ruled by. The ones that the Republicans are trying to kick out (and into a line, if they want to come back in) are ones that a) aren't following the rules and b) not voting. So again, we're back to the "are you supposed to hate/demonstrate against/vote against people trying to enforce laws that people of your heritage/skin color are breaking?"
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Dude, tell them that then. Do you want their votes or not?
 
Look, I'm a big fan of voting what you believe in. One of the reasons I respect Jim McDermott here in WA (though I disagree with almost all of his policies and opinions) is that he's from ultra-liberal Snohomish County, and votes for and represents things that the people in his district want.
If 70% of Arizona thinks this is a good law, and it's constitutional (i know that's still in debate), then what's the problem?
If hispanic catholic voters want to vote (D) b/c the Dems aren't trying to throw out illegal immigrants then that's their prerogative. It's just hypocritical to me, and I don't understand it. Hence the question at the end of my last post. But if I was a politician (and probably one of the big reasons I'm not) is that I don't feel that compromising integrity to get votes is legit. I know it's done all the time, and I'm showing my naivete. But that's just not how I'm wired.
 
Mediocre Man said:
It's not a gut feeling, but I don't want to find that stat. There are many articles about the rise of the Catholic church because of Hispanics though. Also articles on why Catholics vote Dem
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I would like to see those articles . . . because if they are strongly catholic (and that is a huge part of their life) I'm willing to bet they vote Republican because of the whole anti abortion issue. That is a huge issue for religious people.
 
Anyone upset by children who are proud of their country should go live in a country they support, and the Hispanic students who were provoking people by wearing colors in support of a foreign country simply reaffirm the fact they are here as parasites, not as compatriots.

I have several hispanic friends, legally naturalized citizens of America, and they don't celebrate Cinco de Mayo at all.

But boy do they go all out on The Fourth of July.
 
Mediocre Man said:
It's not really a good point. The majority of Hispanics are Catholic, and the majority of Catholics are Democrat.
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Not really. Hispanics only vote Dem because Dems excuse their illegal presence in our country.

The Catholic church, and most hispanics, are opposed to abortion.

The Democratic party supports abortion rights.
 
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