Suckton and Crawful

[B-Roy]

so did wes i believe. we should of put batum on him more

Wes was on Monta during most of the night. But yes, Curry did beat Matthews on a couple possessions.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

+/- is too dependent on team play to be useful in a single game.
Scoring, on the other hand (to take Rasta's alternate stat) is much more indicative of how a single player played. Not be-all, end-all, of course, but much more meaningful.

"More meaningful"? "Ah yes, from the fact that Kobe scored 35 tonight, I understand that the meaning of life is to be good to our friends and get closer to God."

And scoring has nothing to do with team play? Funny, I thought that players have to have, y'know, plays run for them, which involves OTHER PLAYERS setting picks and giving them the ball, 'n shit. But no, the rest of the team is basically irrelevant, yeah. So Andrew Bynum's and Kobe Bryant's scoring spikes, combined with Pau Gasol's fall in scoring has nothing to do with a new coach and new plays. It just means Gasol's suddenly got crap.

 

[BBert]

so did wes i believe. we should of put batum on him more

He was too busy guarding Nate's gatorade on the bench.

 

[Draco]

"More meaningful"? "Ah yes, from the fact that Kobe scored 35 tonight, I understand that the meaning of life is to be good to our friends and get closer to God."

And scoring has nothing to do with team play? Funny, I thought that players have to have, y'know, plays run for them, which involves OTHER PLAYERS setting picks and giving them the ball, 'n shit. But no, the rest of the team is basically irrelevant, yeah. So Andrew Bynum's and Kobe Bryant's scoring spikes, combined with Pau Gasol's fall in scoring has nothing to do with a new coach and new plays. It just means Gasol's suddenly got crap.

Shooting % is a much better single game stat then an individual players +/-. There are 10 players on the court at all times equally affecting the +/-, looking at any one players contribution is 10% their own doing and 90% statistical noise from teammates and opponents. But an individuals effectiveness at making their own shot attempts is much more then 10% attributable to their own play.

 

[magnifier661]

Okay even tonight, we blew Phoenix out and Felton still sucked. At least crawford has some good games. Man I gotta say it's really hard to watch Felton these days. I don't ever remember him being this bad ever!

 

[Sinobas]

Based on the season so far, I'd rather re-sign Crawford and play him at PG than Felton. Felton has been atrocious in his decision making, he's just not running the team very well at all, and shooting below 20% from 3 and under 35% from the field is down right pathetic for a starting PG.

What will we do next year?

 

[Mediocre Man]

After this season I hope I never see either one in a Trail Blazers uniform again

 

[Sinobas]

If I were Nate, I'd really start thinking about starting Crawford at PG and bringing Felton off the bench to play backup minutes. Felton has been that horrible. If Felton still can't improve, let him rot on the bench the rest of the year and give minutes to Elliot Williams and Nolan Smith.

 

[BBert]

If I were Nate, I'd really start thinking about starting Crawford at PG and bringing Felton off the bench to play backup minutes. Felton has been that horrible. If Felton still can't improve, let him rot on the bench the rest of the year and give minutes to Elliot Williams and Nolan Smith.

I'm not Nate, but I'd do that. Start Crawford at PG, and forbid him from shooting the ball unless there is less than 5 seconds on the shot clock, or he is wide open, or out front on a fast break. I'd consider starting Nico at SG while we're at it. I generally enjoy it when Nico and Crash are in the game at the same time.

 

[santeesioux]

After this season I hope I never see either one in a Trail Blazers uniform again

Get these shitty players off this team ASAP!

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Jesus Christ - didn't we get Felton because Andre couldn't hit threes? Felton bricked so many that he got gunshy and passed up the most open three ever just when we needed it. He got outplayed by the Jazz's backup, the very definition of "journeyman". If we had an AVERAGE PG we might actually be good. What the hell happened to Felton?
(And as for Crawford - getting blocked by Justin Bieber? Hang your head in shame!)

 

[B-Roy]

I posted this in the game thread about why Matthews is struggling this year, but I'll put it here too because I think it's relevant.

My theory is that playing with a worse point guard in Felton is hurting his shooting numbers. We all know Wes is a rhythm guy, whether he's hitting layups or jumpers, it doesn't matter. Wes got a lot more open looks close to the basket with Miller than with Felton, and that is in turn, making him shoot worse on his jump shots.

Last year 25% of his shots came close to the rim, he converted at at rate of .623 eFG and was assisted on 65% of those baskets. 28% came at the rim, he converted those at .635% eFG and was also assisted on 65% of those.

http://www.82games.com/1011/10POR7.HTM

This year, 22% of his shots came close to the rim, but he's converting those at a rate of .469 eFG, more than 15% lower than he did last year. Plus, he's only being assisted on 39% of these baskets. Likewise, 23% of his shots come at the rim, hes shooting .462 eFG on those, and also being assisted only 42% on those. So we see he's shooting less shots close to the basket, shooting significantly worse at the basket, and also being assisted on less of those baskets.

http://www.82games.com/1112/11POR6.HTM

The "eye" test supports this as well. Miller knew how to get the ball to his teammates, and he would throw passes that put them in a position to score. Matthews has been trying to create more himself because his backcourt partner does a poor job setting him up. I think we all underestimate the importance of a good pass.

Even if a guy catches the ball wide open, if he has to bring the ball up because it was thrown too low, bring it down because it was thrown too high, or too hard that it throws off his rhythm, he's more likely to miss. Miller and guys like Steve Nash deliver passes to teammates in rhythm. Felton throws wild passes that make the target, but force them to adjust.

I honestly think if we replace Failton with an above average PG, we're contenders. They can even keep Crawful. He at least brings something to the team unlike Failton. And having an above avg PG will allow Nate to leave Crawful on the bench when he's in tunnel vision mode.

Oh, and here's the charts incase anyone is too lazy to click on the links. Left is last year, right is this year:

 

[jaspitzer]

To think where would we be right now had we kept Andre Miller and drafted Kenneth Faried? I think our record would be way better

 

[SheedSoNasty]

To think where would we be right now had we kept Andre Miller and drafted Kenneth Faried? I think our record would be way better

I disliked that trade from the get go. I was high on Farie, but I didn't realize we would miss Miller THIS much.

 

[Nate Dogg]

Crawfish and Failton

 

[Nikolokolus]

Jesus Christ - didn't we get Felton because Andre couldn't hit threes? Felton bricked so many that he got gunshy and passed up the most open three ever just when we needed it. He got outplayed by the Jazz's backup, the very definition of "journeyman". If we had an AVERAGE PG we might actually be good. What the hell happened to Felton?
(And as for Crawford - getting blocked by Justin Bieber? Hang your head in shame!)

Shit, I wish we knew.

There's been two surprises for me this year (aside from Roy preemptively retiring ahead of the amnesty) One is Gerald Wallace home and away being so different and the other is Raymond Felton having his worst season as a pro in a contract year and just 12 months removed from his brilliant first half of 2010-2011 ... I've seen him play kind of a lot and stats aside he never looked this horrible.

Maybe the Blazers really are allergic to point guards and centers?

 

[Mediocre Man]

Crawfish and Failton

No. Crawfish are good. We can't associate that piece of shit with
the goodness of crawfish

 

[santeesioux]

This seems like an appropriate topic to bump to the top.

 

[B-Roy]

This seems like an apt time to bump this thread.

 

[Nikolokolus]

This seems like an appropriate time to bump this thread ...

 

[Nate Dogg]

Felty Welty

 

[Nate Dogg]

Well, the Timber season is coming up. There will be lots of news there, along with video interviews, etc. That forum is always open for scoop and insight.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

I'm sure it's already been said by everybody but this is my first chance to vent. How can a team win when it's 3 against 5 every night!!!??? 13 for 50 between matthews crawford and Felton and the two socalled point guards both had more turnovers than assists!

And I know somebody said that 30 teams passed on jeremy Linn but only 3 or 4 teams desperately need a good young point guard and of course we are one of them!

 

[Nate Dogg]

And I know somebody said that 30 teams passed on jeremy Linn but only 3 or 4 teams desperately need a good young point guard and of course we are one of them!

Exactly, I'm excited what Elliot Williams could bring as a PG but wait again Nate doesn't ever give them experience unless its a 30 point blowout and 8 minute playing time. I'm tired of the Nate system. Bring Mills back and let Williams and him get exp.