Summer "BIG Swing" trade

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Ripcity4life77 said:
I hate to be the ICE cold water on this thread but what pieces do the Blazers have that could land a big fish ??

Unless this team gets a Top 3 pick then MAYBE they could package a Grant or something with it to get a deal done but unless that happens the chances of it happening is not happening. The only chance is if Cronin can find a GM dumber then him so do a deal .. so do the Mavs have anyone we want -- LOL -- kidding but that is my point.
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A lot actually.

Ayton and Simons are expiring deals. They could clear 50 million off someone’s books.

We have the 2029 Bucks pick and two swaps those picks could be worth a lot. Milwaukee is not looking so hot.

We have young players. Blazers could move either scoot or Sharpe for the right player.

Our own pick this summer, which will be a mid lotto pick most likely.

We could definitely go all in if we saw the right player.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Here are the stars that I think could be available this summer:

Booker
Durant
Zion
Dame
Trae Young
Jamal Murray
Ja

The only guys on that list that would interest me are Booker and maybe Zion. I think we could either do a solo trade for Booker where we send expiring contracts/picks and maybe one young player OR I could see a threeway with Booker coming here and Durant going to Houston.

Zion is interesting. If he could be had for expiring contracts and some picks, I think it could be worth it.

I'm seriously starting to wonder if the team isn't sold on Scoot though. Would people be willing to roll the dice on Scoot/Ayton/picks for Zion?
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If we made a trade for Booker is there really a need for Shaedon. Can Shaedon reach Bookers level of play?
 
If the Kings do decide to part with Sabonis they will need a young-prime center. We’ve got one. We also have young players and draft picks.
 
Strenuus said:
Why would Sacramento even do that?
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Ayton and Ant are actually young. They could reLoad instead of reBuild. I think the owner would like that.

Again, in the scenario where their change direction, which I think is a real possibility.
 
My big swings would be:

1. Ant to the Magic for Anthony Black and Cole Anthony, swinging big on upside of Black.

2. The worst of the 2029 FRPs, and our 2031 FRP top ten protected and becomes our 2031 SRP if not conveyed for Jarace Walker.

I'm not trying to skip ahead on this rebuild. We add young players who still have upside but haven't quite lived up to it yet. Adding Black and Walker gives us two more big swings at guys with all star upside who are the same timeline as the current core of Scoot, Shaedon, Tou, Deni and Clingan that I hope we are building around. Hopefully we would be able to get rid of Jerami without taking on anything negative and hopefully we could move Deandre along with a second or two without taking on too much bad salary.

I'd also hope that we draft a small ball 5 that can stretch the floor and be a good guy to offset the things that Clingan lacks. If we're at 9 we could trade back to the Hawks at 14 and 24, so we could pick up Rasheer Fleming and a swing for the fences type like Noah Penda.
 
blazerkor said:
My big swings would be:

1. Ant to the Magic for Anthony Black and Cole Anthony, swinging big on upside of Black.

2. The worst of the 2029 FRPs, and our 2031 FRP top ten protected and becomes our 2031 SRP if not conveyed for Jarace Walker.

I'm not trying to skip ahead on this rebuild. We add young players who still have upside but haven't quite lived up to it yet. Adding Black and Walker gives us two more big swings at guys with all star upside who are the same timeline as the current core of Scoot, Shaedon, Tou, Deni and Clingan that I hope we are building around. Hopefully we would be able to get rid of Jerami without taking on anything negative and hopefully we could move Deandre along with a second or two without taking on too much bad salary.

I'd also hope that we draft a small ball 5 that can stretch the floor and be a good guy to offset the things that Clingan lacks. If we're at 9 we could trade back to the Hawks at 14 and 24, so we could pick up Rasheer Fleming and a swing for the fences type like Noah Penda.
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Okay so firstly fuck Cole Anthony. I hate that guy. Dirty piece of shit.

Second, these aren’t bad trades but I wouldn’t call them BIG SWINGS.
 
Ripcity4life77 said:
I hate to be the ICE cold water on this thread but what pieces do the Blazers have that could land a big fish ??

Unless this team gets a Top 3 pick then MAYBE they could package a Grant or something with it to get a deal done but unless that happens the chances of it happening is not happening. The only chance is if Cronin can find a GM dumber then him so do a deal .. so do the Mavs have anyone we want -- LOL -- kidding but that is my point.
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Exactly. But if we can fleece some teams into it I'm good with it.
 
Ripcity4life77 said:
I hate to be the ICE cold water on this thread but what pieces do the Blazers have that could land a big fish ??

Unless this team gets a Top 3 pick then MAYBE they could package a Grant or something with it to get a deal done but unless that happens the chances of it happening is not happening. The only chance is if Cronin can find a GM dumber then him so do a deal .. so do the Mavs have anyone we want -- LOL -- kidding but that is my point.
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I think just the opposite. Our biggest asset is our 2 ending contracts. Not because of those two players, but simply getting out of a long contract such as Zion's.
In particular, Ayton's as it would match Zion's contract if done during the draft. (or at least close to it)

Then you throw in this year's lottery pick and the Bucks' non-protected pick, and that could be 2 lottery picks plus taking on a huge contract. Grant, on the other hand, would not accomplish as much IF the other team's goal was to get rid of salary and add picks.

Is that enough? Maybe not, but it gets us in the discussion.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
I think just the opposite. Our biggest asset is our 2 ending contracts. Not because of those two players, but simply getting out of a long contract such as Zion's.
In particular, Ayton's as it would match Zion's contract if done during the draft. (or at least close to it)

Then you throw in this year's lottery pick and the Bucks' non-protected pick, and that could be 2 lottery picks plus taking on a huge contract. Grant, on the other hand, would not accomplish as much IF the other team's goal was to get rid of salary and add picks.

Is that enough? Maybe not, but it gets us in the discussion.
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just checked, expiring contracts next season higher than MLE:

Kevin Durant $54,708,609
LeBron James $52,627,153
Fred VanVleet $44,886,930
Kyrie Irving $43,962,963
De'Aaron Fox $37,096,620
Deandre Ayton $35,550,814
James Harden $36,346,154
CJ McCollum $30,666,666
Julius Randle $30,935,520
Khris Middleton $33,296,296
Kristaps Porziņģis $30,731,707
John Collins $26,580,000
Anfernee Simons $27,678,571
Tobias Harris $26,634,146
Jaren Jackson Jr. $23,413,395
Terry Rozier $26,643,031
Mikal Bridges $24,900,000
Marcus Smart $21,586,855
Nikola Vučević $21,481,481
Jakob Poeltl $19,500,000
Duncan Robinson $19,888,000
Norman Powell $20,482,758
Jusuf Nurkić $19,375,000
Harrison Barnes $19,000,000
Rui Hachimura $18,259,259
Kevin Huerter $17,991,071
Zach Collins $18,080,496
P.J. Washington $14,152,174
Dorian Finney-Smith $15,378,480
Jordan Clarkson $14,285,714
Naz Reid $15,022,464
Daniel Gafford $14,386,320

that's about 900M in expiring contracts...close to a billion in expiring contracts. I don't believe Portland's expiring contracts give the Blazers the leverage you imagine
 
The MO of this team seems to be small to medium moves that are heavily conservative. They seem to have a major fear of making a bad move.

Joe "Paralysis by Analysis" Cronin.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Nope. Really only medium swings like Deni.
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Get me some more medium swings if it’s going to Deni’s.
I like the Jarace Walker and Black swings. Toss in a side of Johnny Furphy from Indiana.

Ayton and Ant’s contracts aren’t (or shouldn’t be) other teams wanting to cut salary. The Blazers getting filler contracts back that are with one year left AND young prospects and/or draft capital is the thing. Better fits.

Grant needs to go where he would help AND where they send back smaller, shorter contracts with some sweeteners. The Lakers are well suited for that. Milwaukee with Middleton was one I looked at before his exile to Washington. If KM opts in with the Wizards, then a 3-teamer with the Blazers getting KM … [KM is getting a bit washed at 33 due to injury but would be a vet off the bench for a year.]

Shaedon Sharpe for Dyson Daniels (the primary pieces) is a smaller $$$ cost but serious swing. Shaedon has the higher ceiling (on O) and seems like a Hawks dude. Daniels is doubling down on D with some O.
 
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Zion seems like the most likely to be moved....just not sure where and for what.

Depending on how they do, I could see HOU moving Smith for more veteran pieces. There has been a tiny bit of chatter about Grant going there and Ime loves RW3.
 
HoopsFanAZ said:
Get me some more medium swings if it’s going to Deni’s.
I like the Jarace Walker and Black swings. Toss in a side of Johnny Furphy from Indiana.

Ayton and Ant’s contracts aren’t (or shouldn’t be) other teams wanting to cut salary. The Blazers getting filler contracts back that are with one year left AND young prospects and/or draft capital is the thing. Better fits.

Grant needs to go where he would help AND where they send back smaller, shorter contracts with some sweeteners. The Lakers are well suited for that. Milwaukee with Middleton was one I looked at before his exile to Washington. If KM opts in with the Wizards, then a 3-teamer with the Blazers getting KM … [KM is getting a bit washed at 33 due to injury but would be a vet off the bench for a year.]

Shaedon Sharpe for Dyson Daniels (the primary pieces) is a smaller $$$ cost but serious swing. Shaedon has the higher ceiling (on O) and seems like a Hawks dude. Daniels is doubling down on D with some O.
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This team desperately needs scoring. So trading Sharpe for Daniels doesn’t make sense.

Deni is a really good player but a true big swing is for a star. Someone who can elevate the team to contender status. Deni might be that guy. It’s hard to say yet. I actually don’t think there’s a lot of Deni type trades out there. Joe keeps making these sneaky trades for guys like Deni and Tou and those are great but a big swing would be Zion. It could work out or it could blow up in our face.
 
wizenheimer said:
just checked, expiring contracts next season higher than MLE:

Kevin Durant $54,708,609
LeBron James $52,627,153
Fred VanVleet $44,886,930
Kyrie Irving $43,962,963
De'Aaron Fox $37,096,620
Deandre Ayton $35,550,814
James Harden $36,346,154
CJ McCollum $30,666,666
Julius Randle $30,935,520
Khris Middleton $33,296,296
Kristaps Porziņģis $30,731,707
John Collins $26,580,000
Anfernee Simons $27,678,571
Tobias Harris $26,634,146
Jaren Jackson Jr. $23,413,395
Terry Rozier $26,643,031
Mikal Bridges $24,900,000
Marcus Smart $21,586,855
Nikola Vučević $21,481,481
Jakob Poeltl $19,500,000
Duncan Robinson $19,888,000
Norman Powell $20,482,758
Jusuf Nurkić $19,375,000
Harrison Barnes $19,000,000
Rui Hachimura $18,259,259
Kevin Huerter $17,991,071
Zach Collins $18,080,496
P.J. Washington $14,152,174
Dorian Finney-Smith $15,378,480
Jordan Clarkson $14,285,714
Naz Reid $15,022,464
Daniel Gafford $14,386,320

that's about 900M in expiring contracts...close to a billion in expiring contracts. I don't believe Portland's expiring contracts give the Blazers the leverage you imagine
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That is a great list, thanks for doing that. Now trim it down to just the players that their teams don't want to keep, and then trim it again to the teams that don't have two potential lottery picks to offer. The Bucks' unprotected pick is huge. The list will still be pretty long, but all I said was it would get us in the discussion.
 
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Memphis flames out in the 1st round, and they tire of Ja's antics. Ant gives them a 1 year stopgap to test drive, and they get their PG of the future.

Portland thinks they need a "star", so they add one who'll get out and run with Sharpe, Tou and Deni.


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Atlanta flames out in the play-in tournament, and decides to hand the keys over to Jalen Johnson, and get a younger cheaper PG to go along with him, Daniels and Risacher.

Portland thinks they need a "star", so they add one who'll do a good job getting everyone involved, while also being able to put up 20 a night with ease.
 

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Memphis flames out in the 1st round, and they tire of Ja's antics. Ant gives them a 1 year stopgap to test drive, and they get their PG of the future.

Portland thinks they need a "star", so they add one who'll get out and run with Sharpe, Tou and Deni.


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Atlanta flames out in the play-in tournament, and decides to hand the keys over to Jalen Johnson, and get a younger cheaper PG to go along with him, Daniels and Risacher.

Portland thinks they need a "star", so they add one who'll do a good job getting everyone involved, while also being able to put up 20 a night with ease.
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Trae is interesting. He’s basically Simons on steroids. I just wonder about his attitude and limitations on defense.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Trae is interesting. He’s basically Simons on steroids. I just wonder about his attitude and limitations on defense.
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I don't like that, for a guy that seems like a good shooter, he's...not, really. Career 35% from 3. Like you, I'd also worry about his defense.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
That is a great list, thanks for doing that. Now trim it down to just the players that their teams don't want to keep, and then trim it again to the teams that don't have two potential lottery picks to offer. The Bucks' unprotected pick is huge. The list will still be pretty long, but all I said was it would get us in the discussion.
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the picks would get Portland into the discussion more than the expiring contracts would

on one hand you're saying you wouldn't trade Simons and Ayton for 2nd round picks; above you're saying, or at least strongly implying, that the Blazers don't want to keep them?
 
Natebishop3 said:
Trae is interesting. He’s basically Simons on steroids. I just wonder about his attitude and limitations on defense.
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Eww, that's going back to the Dame era with a real defensive liability you have to play.

I would rather have the big swing that scoot can make another jump in performance over that

I also doubt that is something the current FO wants, same with Billups who was just extended

My gut feeling is the only obvious big swing the blazers do is Zion if he becomes available
 
Now that Billups is back for better or worse I am not going to be specific cause until we know where the team is drafting we have no idea who might and might be realistic or not. However i stand by destroying Nate's list cause it was silly at best BUT to be fair that type of player is what they need to go after but maybe a half notch lower. I am just not sure who will need to do my own research and such but it might be going after a Deni like type player who has shown flashes but for whatever reason they might not fit into that team's plans. I will go over rosters and see what I can come up with at some point not sure when but i know it will be better then Nate's list -- LOL
 
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