Summer League Grades

[Wizard Mentor]

Team: A
Lillard, Leonard, Nolan Smith, and possibly Babbitt are rotation players. When you have that many rotation players on your team, your team better do a lot of winning, and they did (4-1). I think that the team figured out that Smith can be a rotation player and that Babbitt should not be a rotation player.

Lillard: A
Whenever he had a problem, he fixed it. Shot poorly the first half of game 1, shot well for the rest of summer league. 7 turnovers in on game, only 2 a game after that. Completely erased doubts about level of play. Someone pointed out the VSL is basically a college all-star game and he proved he can dominate college all-stars. None of the players picked above him can say that, but not all of them were given a chance.

Leonard: B
I am discounting game 2 where he was ill. He was who we thought he was Obvious flaws in his game, some of them are easy to fix, others are harder - but they are all fixable. So, it may take some time.

Barton: B
Improved every game. It was probably a matter of his comfort level increasing every game. High ceiling, high variance - hard to figure out how good he'll be in 2 to 3 years, but it could be very good. Scored 27 points on 17 shots in the last game which was impressive because they didn't just pass him the ball and say "make plays." There was a lot of passing. Tired of people mentioning that he was drafted in the 2nd round, he probably should have been draft at around 20.

Babbitt: C-
Can't defend college all-stars. They tried to play Babbitt in the high post in an attempt to expand his game a bit and it didn't really work out. Missed many open 3s. It's understandable to miss a lot of contested shots, but if he wants to make it in the league he has to his more than half of this open shots because he's giving up so much on the other end.

Nolan Smith: A/B/I
Didn't play enough really for an adequate analysis. As a shooting guard, his grade is an A shooting well over 50% and around 25 PPG for 1.5 games. As a PG, he showed he was competent but it's clearly not his strength, which at 6'2" it needs to be. However, after losing confidence last season and now showing much, he definitely showed he's an NBA player.

Others: B
Bost, Ibekwe, and others showed that they've got some NBA game and if injuries or a massive trade happens they'd be fine. Bost showed he could run the point and hit the 3. Ibekwe is a sad story just missing out as the last cut in training camp a couple of times, and now he's getting older.

 

[PapaG]

Team: A
Lillard, Leonard, Nolan Smith, and possibly Babbitt are rotation players. When you have that many rotation players on your team, your team better do a lot of winning, and they did (4-1). I think that the team figured out that Smith can be a rotation player and that Babbitt should not be a rotation player.

Lillard: A
Whenever he had a problem, he fixed it. Shot poorly the first half of game 1, shot well for the rest of summer league. 7 turnovers in on game, only 2 a game after that. Completely erased doubts about level of play. Someone pointed out the VSL is basically a college all-star game and he proved he can dominate college all-stars. None of the players picked above him can say that, but not all of them were given a chance.

Leonard: B
I am discounting game 2 where he was ill. He was who we thought he was Obvious flaws in his game, some of them are easy to fix, others are harder - but they are all fixable. So, it may take some time.

Barton: B
Improved every game. It was probably a matter of his comfort level increasing every game. High ceiling, high variance - hard to figure out how good he'll be in 2 to 3 years, but it could be very good. Scored 27 points on 17 shots in the last game which was impressive because they didn't just pass him the ball and say "make plays." There was a lot of passing. Tired of people mentioning that he was drafted in the 2nd round, he probably should have been draft at around 20.

Babbitt: C-
Can't defend college all-stars. They tried to play Babbitt in the high post in an attempt to expand his game a bit and it didn't really work out. Missed many open 3s. It's understandable to miss a lot of contested shots, but if he wants to make it in the league he has to his more than half of this open shots because he's giving up so much on the other end.

Nolan Smith: A/B/I
Didn't play enough really for an adequate analysis. As a shooting guard, his grade is an A shooting well over 50% and around 25 PPG for 1.5 games. As a PG, he showed he was competent but it's clearly not his strength, which at 6'2" it needs to be. However, after losing confidence last season and now showing much, he definitely showed he's an NBA player.

Others: B
Bost, Ibekwe, and others showed that they've got some NBA game and if injuries or a massive trade happens they'd be fine. Bost showed he could run the point and hit the 3. Ibekwe is a sad story just missing out as the last cut in training camp a couple of times, and now he's getting older.

So Babbitt, who led the team in +/-, was by far the worst player on the summer league roster according to you, even after finishing in the Top 40 in ppg, and the top 20 in rpg, and not being a primary offensive threat.

13/7/2/1, and his team was 3-1 and won the most with him on the floor.

LOL

Useless thread.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

So Babbitt, who led the team in +/-, was by far the worst player on the summer league roster according to you, even after finishing in the Top 40 in ppg, and the top 20 in rpg, and not being a primary offensive threat.

13/7/2/1, and his team was 3-1 and won the most with him on the floor.

LOL

Useless thread.

Useless post. I recommend everyone ignore this post, so this thread doesn't become about PapaG, and actually become useless.

 

[RedHotRollin]

Useless post. I recommend everyone ignore this post, so this thread doesn't become about PapaG, and actually become useless.

Yeah, what's up with that? Why does it have to be you, Papa?

 

[Mediocre Man]

Team: A
Lillard, Leonard, Nolan Smith, and possibly Babbitt are rotation players. When you have that many rotation players on your team, your team better do a lot of winning, and they did (4-1). I think that the team figured out that Smith can be a rotation player and that Babbitt should not be a rotation player.

Lillard: A
Whenever he had a problem, he fixed it. Shot poorly the first half of game 1, shot well for the rest of summer league. 7 turnovers in on game, only 2 a game after that. Completely erased doubts about level of play. Someone pointed out the VSL is basically a college all-star game and he proved he can dominate college all-stars. None of the players picked above him can say that, but not all of them were given a chance.

Leonard: B
I am discounting game 2 where he was ill. He was who we thought he was Obvious flaws in his game, some of them are easy to fix, others are harder - but they are all fixable. So, it may take some time.

Barton: B
Improved every game. It was probably a matter of his comfort level increasing every game. High ceiling, high variance - hard to figure out how good he'll be in 2 to 3 years, but it could be very good. Scored 27 points on 17 shots in the last game which was impressive because they didn't just pass him the ball and say "make plays." There was a lot of passing. Tired of people mentioning that he was drafted in the 2nd round, he probably should have been draft at around 20.

Babbitt: C-
Can't defend college all-stars. They tried to play Babbitt in the high post in an attempt to expand his game a bit and it didn't really work out. Missed many open 3s. It's understandable to miss a lot of contested shots, but if he wants to make it in the league he has to his more than half of this open shots because he's giving up so much on the other end.

Nolan Smith: A/B/I
Didn't play enough really for an adequate analysis. As a shooting guard, his grade is an A shooting well over 50% and around 25 PPG for 1.5 games. As a PG, he showed he was competent but it's clearly not his strength, which at 6'2" it needs to be. However, after losing confidence last season and now showing much, he definitely showed he's an NBA player.

Others: B
Bost, Ibekwe, and others showed that they've got some NBA game and if injuries or a massive trade happens they'd be fine. Bost showed he could run the point and hit the 3. Ibekwe is a sad story just missing out as the last cut in training camp a couple of times, and now he's getting older.

I like the grades. I'd probably bump Nolan toan A and lower Babbitt to a D is all

 

[PapaG]

Useless post. I recommend everyone ignore this post, so this thread doesn't become about PapaG, and actually become useless.

Everybody else is at least a "B", and Babbitt is a "C-"?

Useless thread. Was I supposed to nod my head and agree when the OP made this thread all about his summer grades?

Argue Babbitt being the worst player, by far, this summer on the Blazers, or don't. That was one thing on Wizard Mentor's "Summer Grades" thread that I disagreed with, and I'm posting about it. You two are making it about me. I didn't start a thread with my summer grades, did I?

 

[RedHotRollin]

Everybody else is at least a "B", and Babbitt is a "C-"?

Useless thread. Was I supposed to nod my head and agree when the OP made this thread all about his summer grades?

Argue Babbitt being the worst player, by far, this summer on the Blazers, or don't. You two are making it about me. I didn't start a thread with my summer grades, did I?

No, but you opened up your head

 

[PapaG]

I like the grades. I'd probably bump Nolan toan A and lower Babbitt to a D is all

SlyPokerDog is a troll.

 

[PapaG]

No, but you opened up your head

What does that even mean? Let's stick to the topic here.

 

[Mediocre Man]

SlyPokerDog is a troll.

Hmmm. Ntvsure what to say about this?

 

[Wizard Mentor]

So Babbitt, who led the team in +/-, was by far the worst player on the summer league roster according to you, even after finishing in the Top 40 in ppg, and the top 20 in rpg, and not being a primary offensive threat.

13/7/2/1, and his team was 3-1 and won the most with him on the floor.

LOL

Useless thread.

I agree with VanillaGorilla, this is a useless post. Why don't you man up and actually give a grade for Babbitt.

My grade: C-
Jaynes grade: D
Timmay from Blazersedge grade: Missed Expectations
MM grade: D

Again, what's your grade, and who is the outlier here?

p.s. PapaG, please consider changing your Avatar subtitle from "Some Call me the Best in the Game" to "King of the Outliers"

 

[PapaG]

Stop making this about you, MM.

 

[RedHotRollin]

What does that even mean? Let's stick to the topic here.

You know what it means. You thought, therefore you did. It's just you. Nothing personal.

 

[PapaG]

I agree with VanillaGorilla, this is a useless post. Why don't you man up and actually give a grade for Babbitt.

My grade: C-
Jaynes grade: D
Timmay from Blazersedge grade: Missed Expectations

Again, what's your grade, and who is the outlier here?

I give him a solid B. Led the team in +/-, and averaged 13/7/2/1.

Again, though, I didn't start the thread and give my opinion on grades as a thread-worthy topic.

That was you.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Hmmm. Ntvsure what to say about this?

It just means he's deleting you from his Nerds List

 

[Wizard Mentor]

I give him a solid B. Led the team in +/-, and averaged 13/7/2/1.

Again, though, I didn't start the thread and give my opinion on grades as a thread-worthy topic.

That was you.

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[Wizard Mentor]

Someone with ESPN Insider should tell Chad Ford to update his draft grades. After all, he feels free to update his mock draft several times. It's so obvious that he was very wrong on several counts.

 

[PapaG]

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Your bias was obvious. If you want to troll those who disagree with aspects of your list and counter it with their own opinions, well, that's pretty much what Canzano does to those who question him.

 

[mook]

In reality, Summer League is a Pass/Fail grade. If you showed enough that you make the GM confident in your ability to play real minutes in the regular season on a rebuilding team, you pass. If you don't, you fail.
Lillard: Pass
Smith: Pass
Leonard: Pass
Barton: Pass
Babbit: Pass

Babbit is the one guy I think barely squeaked by. I wasn't that encouraged by his performance, but he showed enough that you try to see if he has a Korver career path ahead of him.

Our GM says he's a PF, which means he's stuck behind a lot of guys. So thankfully we won't have to use him much. 5 minutes here, 7 minutes there is exactly how he should be used. You hope he sneaks in and then out before the other team completely exploits his defense.

 

[PapaG]

Hmmm. Ntvsure what to say about this?

You still have a sense of humor, I hope.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Your bias was obvious. If you want to troll those who disagree with aspects of your list and counter it with their own opinions, well, that's pretty much what Canzano does to those who question him.

You didn't "disagree", you disagreed and insulted me - and have continued on in this vane. You think Babbitt is fantastic, or at least a "B", fine. But everyone disagrees with you, so you insult everyone and go into every thread and tried to turn it into a pseudo-debate about Babbitt.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

My grades:

Lillard - A. Showed me exactly what I thought he would, and his game looks like it will translate perfectly to the regular season when he's in the starting lineup with Aldridge, Batum and Matthews.

Smith - B+. Showed how much better he is when he's aggressive, and finished strong through contact multiple times. He's definitely better as a secondary ball handler, but should be fine in 10 to 15 minutes a game as PG.

Leonard - B. He was pretty much what I expected, but I was a little disappointed with his defense.

Barton - B. When he wasn't playing well offensively, to me it seemed like it was primarily nerves. Once he got settled, I liked his offensive moves and his decision making was superb. His defense was consistently good. Some players may take advantage of his lack of strength, but he plays the passing lanes well and has good instincts.

Babbitt - C. This grade largely has to do with him not showing he has added absolutely nothing to his game. Yes, in the regular season, he is pretty much strictly a three point shooter (which he was terrible at in SL), but you'd think he would be able to show at least some improvement on offense or defense, which he did not. On a lot of defensive possessions, I would only watch him, and he was terrible. Doesn't hustle to make up for his lack of defensive prowess.

 

[PapaG]

Let's recap here. I disagree about Babbitt's grade, since it was far lower than anybody else listed, and immediately had two posters blame me of making the thread about me.

Talk about a self-fulfilling prophecy...

that's just obvious baiting. Babbitt's actual statistics and +/- should call the entire grading system in this thread into question, at least in terms of him being graded by far the worst player this summer. Illustrating those stats really has nothing to do with me.

 

[PapaG]

You didn't "disagree", you disagreed and insulted me - and have continued on in this vane. You think Babbitt is fantastic, or at least a "B", fine. But everyone disagrees with you insult everyone and go into every thread and tried to turn it into a pseudo-debate about Babbitt.

Saying "Useless thread" made you this upset? Sorry, but you offered your grades, and I found your grade of Babbitt laughable. Grading him by far the worst player this summer makes this a "Useless Thread", in my opinion. Nobody asked you to start this thread, did they?

It's YOUR thread. Own it, and stop whining when people disagree with you. Argue statistically, at the very least.

 

[PapaG]

I'll also add that I've never really cared what "everyone" thinks, and "everyone" certainly doesn't comprise of the 25 or so regular posters on this forum.

Babbitt shot 43% from 3 last year. I'll take that off of the bench, and when he averages 7.3rpg for a 3-1 summer league team in 30mpg, I'll take that as well.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Saying "Useless thread" made you this upset? Sorry, but you offered your grades, and I found your grade of Babbitt laughable. Grading him by far the worst player this summer makes this a "Useless Thread", in my opinion. Nobody asked you to start this thread, did they?

It's YOUR thread. Own it, and stop whining when people disagree with you. Argue statistically, at the very least.

Why not just say, "I disagree with your views about Babbitt and here is why..."

Saying the entire thread is useless because you disagree with his opinions about one player seems a bit over the top.

 

[PapaG]

Why not just say, "I disagree with your views about Babbitt and here is why..."

Saying the entire thread is useless because you disagree with his opinions about one player seems a bit over the top.

Then edit me, Sly. It's not like I've every had the "Useless thread" or "Useless Post" insult directed at me.

But, thanks for now making the thread officially about me. Kindly go away, please.

How many times do I have to post Babbitt's stats this summer, or last season?

This fucking board ... and Sly is becoming one of the biggest trolls of all.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Then edit me, Sly. It's not like I've every had the "Useless thread" or "Useless Post" insult directed at me.

But, thanks for now making the thread officially about me. Kindly go away, please.

How many times do I have to post Babbitt's stats this summer, or last season?

This fucking board ... and Sly is becoming one of the biggest trolls of all.

I only edit personal insults and penis pictures.

And I completely agree with you about the troll thing.

 

[PapaG]

May as well change the title of this thread to "Get In Your Shots at Me" at this point.

Thanks to VG and RHR for making this thread about me, fwiw. I'm outta this thread.

 

[mgb]

Then edit me, Sly. It's not like I've every had the "Useless thread" or "Useless Post" insult directed at me.

But, thanks for now making the thread officially about me. Kindly go away, please.

How many times do I have to post Babbitt's stats this summer, or last season?

This fucking board ... and Sly is becoming one of the biggest trolls of all.

Everyone is a troll except you PapaG! Go get them!