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It levels the playing field against the idiot voters. :MARIS61:
 
It levels the playing field against the idiot voters. :MARIS61:

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goodbye pretenses of a representative democracy & our hail corporate overlords

The job of a politician is to get elected and then reelected. No doubt that American politics is and has been filled with corruption, but thats mostly because of the system we've devolved into that requires them to raise obscene amounts of cash to run viable campaigns. They spend their days chasing reelection dollars rather then speaking to constituents/colleagues & understanding/writing legislation. Taking off campaign finance restraints only exacerbates this issue of having to raise cash. This decision more then ever requires politicians to whore themselves out to the monied interests over those of the voters.

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It levels the playing field against the idiot voters. :MARIS61:

I'd say it likely just bolsters the idiot voters. More $, more commercials giving idiot voters one sound byte to base an entire vote off of.
 
To say that I am in favor of corruption is an insult, and I take offense. This ruling will increase corruption.

The guys 75% think are corrupt AND abuse their power. Those are the guys who would limit free speech. For not good reasons.

You are in favor of them making the rules. Rules where there should be none.
 
I'd say it likely just bolsters the idiot voters. More $, more commercials giving idiot voters one sound byte to base an entire vote off of.

Binders of women.
 
You are in favor of them making the rules. Rules where there should be none.

In a perfect world, I agree. Unfortunately:

The job of a politician is to get elected and then reelected. No doubt that American politics is and has been filled with corruption, but thats mostly because of the system we've devolved into that requires them to raise obscene amounts of cash to run viable campaigns. They spend their days chasing reelection dollars rather then speaking to constituents/colleagues & understanding/writing legislation. Taking off campaign finance restraints only exacerbates this issue of having to raise cash. This decision more then ever requires politicians to whore themselves out to the monied interests over those of the voters.
 
Hopefully you didn't take my post to imply that just one party would be doing it
 
Hopefully you didn't take my post to imply that just one party would be doing it

Well there's going to be one party if all the money is buying elections.
 
Picture gerrymandering on a big money scale.

It doesn't matter if it's one party. It'll be govt. forbidding speech against govt.

I like stomp and his POV on many things. Not this. If a pol can get all the money he needs from few people, he'll have time to do his actual job.
 
1. Term limits for congress.

2. Corporations are not people and should not be able to donate money.

3. Every candidate should get the same amount of money and they should be able to win on their own merits, not because they sold their soul to the highest bidder.
 
What is important to know is that it's Soros spending big so we can vote against him. Or are informed voters a bad idea?
 
I like stomp and his POV on many things. Not this. If a pol can get all the money he needs from few people, he'll have time to do his actual job.

You cannot possibly be this naive.

We need to do away with career politicians. They're serving themselves and their masters, not the people who voted for them.
 
dont vote for anyone or anything you have ever seen a tv ad for, pretty simple
 
You cannot possibly be this naive.

We need to do away with career politicians. They're serving themselves and their masters, not the people who voted for them.

dont vote for anyone or anything you have ever seen a tv ad for, pretty simple

Who did you vote for dog catcher? Well, pick any down the ticket election like school board or whatever.

I don't vote in those elections unless I'm informed. Otherwise, why elect a D or an R because of the party regardless of qualification?

Term limits are great, I'm for them. It's not the same issue as using money to buy ads to inform voters. You'd want to inform voters of the two unknown candidates for senate, wouldn't you?

The problem with letting those corrupt guys make the rules for how they get elected is that they'll botch it or abuse that power. How would a Libertarian or Green Party candidate qualify for equal money? They wouldn't - the corrupt guys in charge of the rules wouldn't allow it.
 
i vote a straight republican dog catcher ticket
 
i vote a straight republican dog catcher ticket

Seriously, do you know either or both candidates in all the lesser races on the ballot?

I consider myself to be reasonably well informed - better than many - yet I don't.

The point being that it probably won't be good to have the top races on the ticket of two unknowns as well. The advertising and press coverage should inform people.
 
inform them of what? its sound bite nonsense and misleading smear ads

"so and so loves america" *kisses a baby

billions of dollars worth of that already, and how "informed" are the voters because of it?
 
im not even against this anyways, at least now its out in the open, used to be paper bags full of hundos
 
Well there's going to be one party if all the money is buying elections.

Yup, and without campaign finance reform, it's going to continue to be the Democratic party. I look at this series of Roberts court decisions on campaign finance as being bad for democracy, but probably a winner for the Ds.

There have only been two Republican presidents in my lifetime who didn't ascend from the Vice Presidency: Reagan and GWB. Both of those guys formed broad coalitions with some downright left-leaning policy portfolios, especially Reagan. Not all of their policies, mind you, but a not insignificant portion of them.

Where are those moderate national Republicans now? Flushed out of the party by the big money donors who want pure conseratives. It's the Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, Bobby Jindal flamethrowers from here on out. Maybe those guys can win a Governorship in the South, maybe they can hold onto a Senate seat against a weak opponent in a favorable area, but that's about it. The Republican party will never be a national party again until the big money dries up.

2010 was an awful year for Democrats because of fatigue from the 2008 election and the public, drawn out legislative process surrounding Obamacare. The Republicans were able to gerrymander themselves into some very favorable congressional districts. But that's a brief respite from an overall trend. Those districts are only going to hold for so long, maybe five, ten years. Demographics are always changing.

And when the House falls, we'll be down to a true one party system, with well-funded right-leaning Republicans continuing to chase viable moderates out of the party.

I think the influx of money is awful for all the issues that fly just under the radar that they don't receive national attention . . . all those public health issues where politicians of both parties can be bought and sold. And the amount of graft these decisions portend is upsetting. But from a purely political, non public good perspective, I'm hard pressed to figure out how the decisions don't help the vast majority of elected Democrats.
 
thats why denny loves it so much, he loves the D
 
Yup, and without campaign finance reform, it's going to continue to be the Democratic party. I look at this series of Roberts court decisions on campaign finance as being bad for democracy, but probably a winner for the Ds.

There have only been two Republican presidents in my lifetime who didn't ascend from the Vice Presidency: Reagan and GWB. Both of those guys formed broad coalitions with some downright left-leaning policy portfolios, especially Reagan. Not all of their policies, mind you, but a not insignificant portion of them.

Where are those moderate national Republicans now? Flushed out of the party by the big money donors who want pure conseratives. It's the Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, Bobby Jindal flamethrowers from here on out. Maybe those guys can win a Governorship in the South, maybe they can hold onto a Senate seat against a weak opponent in a favorable area, but that's about it. The Republican party will never be a national party again until the big money dries up.

2010 was an awful year for Democrats because of fatigue from the 2008 election and the public, drawn out legislative process surrounding Obamacare. The Republicans were able to gerrymander themselves into some very favorable congressional districts. But that's a brief respite from an overall trend. Those districts are only going to hold for so long, maybe five, ten years. Demographics are always changing.

And when the House falls, we'll be down to a true one party system, with well-funded right-leaning Republicans continuing to chase viable moderates out of the party.

I think the influx of money is awful for all the issues that fly just under the radar that they don't receive national attention . . . all those public health issues where politicians of both parties can be bought and sold. And the amount of graft these decisions portend is upsetting. But from a purely political, non public good perspective, I'm hard pressed to figure out how the decisions don't help the vast majority of elected Democrats.

Great take.

Didn't really agree with the first line but you make some solid points. The part about how Republican money only going pure conservatives really stopped and made me think. I think I am slowing going more and more right but don't really like the candidates republicans are putting forward. I think moderate republican would really give Democrats problems. Surprised/sad the party isn't supporting these candidates more.
 

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