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Natebishop3 said:
Because they looked fucking fabulous? Why else do you think women stole our high heels?
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It all goes back to penis envy, it makes them all thieves by nature.

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It’s gotta be a horrible existence to live in a daily fear so bad that a person is deathly afraid of losing their precious AR15 so they can spray bullets in case they are suddenly attacked in their home
 
calvin natt said:
It’s gotta be a horrible existence to live in a daily fear so bad that a person is deathly afraid of losing their precious AR15 so they can spray bullets in case they are suddenly attacked in their home
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So my mom from the ages of 8-12 years old was raped, repeatedly by her stepdad and other men my Grandma brought around and when I was young she always wanted weapons in our home because she really was legitimately scared of that happening again. Now as my brother and I got older the weapons were phased out because my dad didn't want us around them. However, to trivialize that people do have legitimate fears based on real experiences seems counter-intuitive.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
So my mom from the ages of 8-12 years old was raped, repeatedly by her step dad and other men my Grandma brought around and when I was young she always wanted weapons in our home because she really was legitimately scared of that happening again. Now as my brother and I got older the weapons were phased out because he didnt want ha around them. However, to trivialize that people do have legitimate fears based on real experiences seems counter-intuitive.
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I specifically said AR15. I think these (overwhelmingly) MEN are not worried about getting sexually assaulted or raped. This is exactly the kind of comment that makes it impossible to argue for gun control. Keep your pistol. Keep your handgun. Nobody has ever said they want all guns gone. But no, within four posts we hear about Hong Kong and women being raped so we need AR15 type weapons.
 
calvin natt said:
I specifically said AR15. I think these (overwhelmingly) MEN are not worried about getting sexually assaulted or raped. This is exactly the kind of comment that makes it impossible to argue for gun control. Keep your pistol. Keep your handgun. Nobody has ever said they want all guns gone. But no, within four posts we hear about Hong Kong and women being raped so we need AR15 type weapons.
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Who are you to tell someone what they can use to defend themselves with or what they can have around to make themselves feel safe?
I mean I would definitely agree to stronger gun laws, and regulations for that industry and who can own a gun. You're in the same breath basically saying oh you must have a horrible existence if you're scared of being attacked in your home. I don't think you are looking for much of a conversation on "gun control" with your comments either. My "issue" wasn't your position on AR15's it was on what in my opinion your comment seemed to trivialize the existence of people who have fears even in their homes.

Edit: This was your opening salvo - "To be honest, I really don’t give a fuck. Anything that in any way hurts anything or anyone with regards to guns I’m all for." Looks like that comment also makes it impossible to have much of a conversation on gun control too.
 
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calvin natt said:
It’s gotta be a horrible existence to live in a daily fear so bad that a person is deathly afraid of losing their precious AR15 so they can spray bullets in case they are suddenly attacked in their home
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Honestly, I think it's a worse existence to live in fear of an inanimate object, or a mass shooting that has a 1 in 11,125 chance of happening to you.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
Who are you to tell someone what they can use to defend themselves with or what they can have around to make themselves feel safe?
I mean I would definitely agree to stronger gun laws, and regulations for that industry and who can own a gun. You're in the same breath basically saying oh you must have a horrible existence if you're scared of being attacked in your home. I don't think you are looking for much of a conversation on "gun control" with your comments either. My "issue" wasn't your position on AR15's it was on what in my opinion your comment seemed to trivialize the existence of people who have fears even in their homes.

Edit: This was your opening salvo - "To be honest, I really don’t give a fuck. Anything that in any way hurts anything or anyone with regards to guns I’m all for." Looks like that comment also makes it impossible to have much of a conversation on gun control too.
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finish my whole sentence then. ".... so bad that a person is deathly afraid of losing their precious AR15 so they can spray bullets". People can be afraid (obviously). But to live in a home and not just need a weapon, but an AR15, is different. I dont think anyone needs one. If someone breaks into your home and you want a gun, go get one. If you feel you need to spray a hundred bullets, thats different. You think that I believe nobody should live in fear. Thats ridiculous. I said its horrible to live a life where you need specifically a weapon like an AR15. Much different. There are many people who own AR15s who have even said they arent necessary.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
Who are you to tell someone what they can use to defend themselves with or what they can have around to make themselves feel safe?
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Sounds like the argument for the people that called for this trial. They are obviously afraid - clearly they should be able to take this matter to court as it will help defend themselves to feel safe.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Honestly, I think it's a worse existence to live in fear of an inanimate object, or a mass shooting that has a 1 in 11,125 chance of happening to you.
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right, screw it, we dont have a problem with these guns. happens all over the planet. nevermind.
 
If you're shooting at people with your AR15 for protection your neighbors should also have the right to be safe I'd say...and their kids. If I needed that sort of protection, I'd consider moving or getting a restraining order. I'm a believer that these weapons are completely unnecessary for personal security. In the hands of the wrong people they are proving to be a public threat. We just don't fucking need them.
 
andalusian said:
Sounds like the argument for the people that called for this trial. They are obviously afraid - clearly they should be able to take this matter to court as it will help defend themselves to feel safe.
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I've got no issue with them taking it to court, and seeing where that goes.
 
calvin natt said:
right, screw it, we dont have a problem with these guns. happens all over the planet. nevermind.
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So do oppressive governments. Look around the globe right now. China, Chile, Venezuela, there are violent protests happening all around the world RIGHT NOW. So why is America different? I know many people are worried about Trump. I will never understand how the same people who rail about gun control are the same people who have been screaming about our government.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
Who are you to tell someone what they can use to defend themselves with or what they can have around to make themselves feel safe?
I mean I would definitely agree to stronger gun laws, and regulations for that industry and who can own a gun. You're in the same breath basically saying oh you must have a horrible existence if you're scared of being attacked in your home. I don't think you are looking for much of a conversation on "gun control" with your comments either. My "issue" wasn't your position on AR15's it was on what in my opinion your comment seemed to trivialize the existence of people who have fears even in their homes.

Edit: This was your opening salvo - "To be honest, I really don’t give a fuck. Anything that in any way hurts anything or anyone with regards to guns I’m all for." Looks like that comment also makes it impossible to have much of a conversation on gun control too.
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Therein lies your answer. Sometines it is better to move on, buddy.
 
Natebishop3 said:
So do oppressive governments. Look around the globe right now. China, Chile, Venezuela, there are violent protests happening all around the world RIGHT NOW. So why is America different? I know many people are worried about Trump. I will never understand how the same people who rail about gun control are the same people who have been screaming about our government.
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You think the difference between Venezuala, China, etc., and America is our right to weapons like AR15s?
 
riverman said:
If you're shooting at people with your AR15 for protection your neighbors should also have the right to be safe I'd say...and their kids. If I needed that sort of protection, I'd consider moving or getting a restraining order. I'm a believer that these weapons are completely unnecessary for personal security. In the hands of the wrong people they are proving to be a public threat. We just don't fucking need them.
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My daughters' Minnie Mouse blanket is completely un-necessary for her security, but I let carry it around anyways. I realize that's a terrible example and that she's probably not capable of harming others with a Blanket, but my point is that what you or I feel is necessary for someone's personal security, may not be true for someone else, or for what makes them feel comfortable and safe. It's part of what makes a "melting pot" society, with all these different views and agendas and all that so hard to manage. Were trying to "accommodate" everyone without stepping on other people, but because so many views are opposed to each other they will undoubtedly step on each other. I say I need 500 AR15's to feel safe. You say that's rediculous no one even needs one, if anyone has an AR15 I don't feel safe, so you take them all away. Then it turns out I live in fear my whole life for whatever reason, and that's fine because now you feel safe. Obviously this is made up, and obviously guns for a lot of people are not a "safety" thing, but at the end of the day we tend to only see our side of it and what makes us feel a certain way and degrade, or take other people's feeling's as unimportant in the whole process. Which was my point, to begin with, I don't think people who do live in fear for any reason should just be trivialized members of society.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
My daughters' Minnie Mouse blanket is completely un-necessary for her security, but I let carry it around anyways. I realize that's a terrible example and that she's probably not capable of harming others with a Blanket, but my point is that what you or I feel is necessary for someone's personal security, may not be true for someone else, or for what makes them feel comfortable and safe. It's part of what makes a "melting pot" society, with all these different views and agendas and all that so hard to manage. Were trying to "accommodate" everyone without stepping on other people, but because so many views are opposed to each other they will undoubtedly step on each other. I say I need 500 AR15's to feel safe. You say that's rediculous no one even needs one, if anyone has an AR15 I don't feel safe, so you take them all away. Then it turns out I live in fear my whole life for whatever reason, and that's fine because now you feel safe. Obviously this is made up, and obviously guns for a lot of people are not a "safety" thing, but at the end of the day we tend to only see our side of it and what makes us feel a certain way and degrade, or take other people's feeling's as unimportant in the whole process. Which was my point, to begin with, I don't think people who do live in fear for any reason should just be trivialized members of society.
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since we are using ridiculous examples (like her blankie), what if I only felt safe if i could carry around a bomb? that is what makes me feel safe. so there.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
My daughters' Minnie Mouse blanket is completely un-necessary for her security, but I let carry it around anyways. I realize that's a terrible example and that she's probably not capable of harming others with a Blanket, but my point is that what you or I feel is necessary for someone's personal security, may not be true for someone else, or for what makes them feel comfortable and safe. It's part of what makes a "melting pot" society, with all these different views and agendas and all that so hard to manage. Were trying to "accommodate" everyone without stepping on other people, but because so many views are opposed to each other they will undoubtedly step on each other. I say I need 500 AR15's to feel safe. You say that's rediculous no one even needs one, if anyone has an AR15 I don't feel safe, so you take them all away. Then it turns out I live in fear my whole life for whatever reason, and that's fine because now you feel safe. Obviously this is made up, and obviously guns for a lot of people are not a "safety" thing, but at the end of the day we tend to only see our side of it and what makes us feel a certain way and degrade, or take other people's feeling's as unimportant in the whole process. Which was my point, to begin with, I don't think people who do live in fear for any reason should just be trivialized members of society.
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also, her blanket cant harm anyone, so there is that one factor that maybe comes into play.
 
calvin natt said:
since we are using ridiculous examples (like her blankie), what if I only felt safe if i could carry around a bomb? that is what makes me feel safe. so there.
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That's precisely the point. Which person or persons feelings are more important, cause inevitably someone is having their "feelings" trampled on. Just cause you carry a Bomb around doesn't mean you want to use it to harm people just cause'.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
That's precisely the point. Which person or persons feelings are more important, cause inevitably someone is having their "feelings" trampled on. Just cause you carry a Bomb around doesn't mean you want to use it to harm people just cause'.
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that was the point? ok... however, we have examples of people using these weapons for things other than defense. like schools getting shot up, and churches and walmart. people absolutely use these things to harm people 'just cause'. they get stolen. people lose their minds. they arent necessary unless in war. if you only feel safe with them, you either have a mental problem (and shoudlnt have one) or have a much larger issue and should probably call the FBI.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
My daughters' Minnie Mouse blanket is completely un-necessary for her security, but I let carry it around anyways. I realize that's a terrible example and that she's probably not capable of harming others with a Blanket, but my point is that what you or I feel is necessary for someone's personal security, may not be true for someone else, or for what makes them feel comfortable and safe. It's part of what makes a "melting pot" society, with all these different views and agendas and all that so hard to manage. Were trying to "accommodate" everyone without stepping on other people, but because so many views are opposed to each other they will undoubtedly step on each other. I say I need 500 AR15's to feel safe. You say that's rediculous no one even needs one, if anyone has an AR15 I don't feel safe, so you take them all away. Then it turns out I live in fear my whole life for whatever reason, and that's fine because now you feel safe. Obviously this is made up, and obviously guns for a lot of people are not a "safety" thing, but at the end of the day we tend to only see our side of it and what makes us feel a certain way and degrade, or take other people's feeling's as unimportant in the whole process. Which was my point, to begin with, I don't think people who do live in fear for any reason should just be trivialized members of society.
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I think you're confusing the issue.....you can have a weapon for personal protection in your home right now...the issue is gun "control" not gun confiscation or the rise of martial law and a police state. I have the right as a parent, grandparent and citizen to speak out against the sales of the AR 15 or anything that has proven to threaten children in public education, church, shopping malls, movie theaters...etc...one day I hope nobody needs any weapons at all but in the present...we can address this issue as a "melting pot" of concerned citizens. Tobacco companies have lost law suits for deaths caused by their products..laws went into effect that did decrease usage. No reason a gun company shouldn't be sued for selling a product that kills as well. That's my point. Americans won't give up their guns but they could limit the damage a gun could cause in public. I look at this as a safety issue as a country...not a political one. Anyone with thin enough skin to be offended by a gun control argument probably shouldn't be having a gun control argument in my view.
 
calvin natt said:
You think the difference between Venezuala, China, etc., and America is our right to weapons like AR15s?
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I think the first step towards an oppressive regime is disarming the public. So yes, an armed American public is a massive deterrent to any kind of government takeover.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I think the first step towards an oppressive regime is disarming the public. So yes, an armed American public is a massive deterrent to any kind of government takeover.
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so the politicians who are anti gun, Democrats, if they have their way, this group of liberals is going to put together a government takeover and start oppressing the citizens of the United States? I think you have it backwards. If anyone wants to ignore rights and laws and do whatever the fuck they want, its people like Trump, and fortunately for you, they love guns. So it makes no sense whatsoever.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I think the first step towards an oppressive regime is disarming the public. So yes, an armed American public is a massive deterrent to any kind of government takeover.
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The first step in an oppressive regime is stifling the media and eliminating freedom of speech..govt takeovers throughout history are usually military coups...where they oust the leadership and replace it...not armed citizens but the army itself.
 
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