Suspected Jihadists hack man to death in London

[DaLincolnJones]

Suspected jihadists hack man to death on busy London street


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/0...tack-in-london/?intcmp=trending#ixzz2U3cLiQVq

a few things

this was the best link I found, for some reason the BBC link was an issue..

Three min read

what most confuse is that they believe muslim is religin first and law seconed, it is the other way around..and should never be confused with westen religions of this century

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Religion of peace.

Or in this case, pieces.

 

[BlazerWookee]

Religion of peace.

Or in this case, pieces.

Repped. I'm going to try to remember to rep again as soon as it lets me, because it was just that damn funny.

 

[BlazerWookee]

If American Muslims want people to believe they're not in league with the terrorists, they should say more stuff like this:

The Muslim Council of Britain condemned the attack.

"This is a truly barbaric act that has no basis in Islam and we condemn this unreservedly," the group said in a statement. "Our thoughts are with the victim and his family. We understand the victim is a serving member of the Armed Forces."

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Translated to American English: "Islam is the religion of peace".

 

[DaLincolnJones]

If American Muslims want people to believe they're not in league with the terrorists, they should say more stuff like this:

"Those who know nothing about Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those people are witless. Islam says: 'Kill all the unbelievers just as they would kill you all!' Does this mean that Muslims should sit back until they are devoured by the infidel? Islam says: 'Kill them, put them to the sword and scatter them.' Islam says: 'Whatever good there is exists thanks to the sword.' The sword is the key to Paradise, which can be opened only for the Holy Warriors! Does all this mean that Islam is a religion that prevents men from waging war? I spit upon those foolish souls who make such a claim." (Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini)

 

[DaLincolnJones]

"Uniting the five pillars of Islam is the principle Jihad (lit. struggle). In Islam a Muslim must struggle against himself and his habits to submit fully to God. He must also struggle to guide his family, relatives, and friends to bring them to Islam and to convey the message of Islam itself. Since Islam is totalistic, Muslims wherever they may be, must struggle and sacrifice their energy, time, and material resources to establish Muslim congregations, mosques, madrassas (religious schools) for the maintenance and spread of Islam. Where Muslims make up a substantial fraction of the population, they must struggle to establish the Islamic Shariah (law) as their rule for living, with the aim to ultimately establish a full Islamic state in which Islam would be the ruling ideology and system. To understand this last point is very important for it is part and parcel of Islam to seek its full manifestation and where Muslims fail politically or economically, they also fail spiritually. It is innate to Islam to be militantly uncompromising with alien systems since all sovereignty and glory belongs to God, to the Prophets (PBUH) and to the believers." (Spirit of Toronto, Ontario, Canada: 1834-1984, Lindsay Holton, 1983 AD, Foreword by David Crombie, MP: Secretary of State and Minister of Multiculturalism, Islam - A Dynamic Stability, by Camel Xerri Abdullah Idris, Islamic Center Toronto Jami Mosque, p282-293)

 

[DaLincolnJones]

Hadith 1.25"Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle was asked, "What is the best deed?" He replied, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad). The questioner then asked, "What is the next (in goodness)? He replied, "To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause."

 

[SlyPokerDog]

 

[TradeNurkicNow]

If American Muslims want people to believe they're not in league with the terrorists, they should say more stuff like this:

American Muslims shouldn't have to apologize for the actions of maniacs so that assholes on the internet won't think they're terrorists.

 

[Further]

American Muslims shouldn't have to apologize for the actions of maniacs so that assholes on the internet won't think they're terrorists.

I think they should if they want their religion to be viewed as something other than the religion of terrorists.

 

[TradeNurkicNow]

I think they should if they want their religion to be viewed as something other than the religion of terrorists.

I don't think there's much they can really do to appease reactionary and short-sighted people. Folks with an ounce of common sense and understanding wouldn't come to such a conclusion.

 

[Further]

I don't think there's much they can really do to appease reactionary and short-sighted people. Folks with an ounce of common sense and understanding wouldn't come to such a conclusion.

After one attack, yes. Two, yes. Five, maybe. Ten, unsure. Twenty, thirty, at some point when you see attack after attack being done in the name of a specific religion, I think many people who are not reactionary, start to distrust that religion. And if the good peaceful followers of that religion don't stand up and loudly condemn those who kill in the name of their religion, then expect everyone to view that religion as a violent and horrific religion.

 

[RR7]

And if the good peaceful followers of that religion don't stand up and loudly condemn those who kill in the name of their religion, then expect everyone to view that religion as a violent and horrific religion.

And if they do stand up and say it? Nothing changes. People don't give a shit if one person condemns the actions of another, if they can judge everyone for the action.

 

[Further]

And if they do stand up and say it? Nothing changes. People don't give a shit if one person condemns the actions of another, if they can judge everyone for the action.

Some people don't care. Others do care. And I am more talking about groups, organizations, communities, mosques and Imams more than just other followers. But, I do think followers should encourage their church and groups to not only make statements of condemnation, but also hold bake sales or pot lucks to try and raise funds for the victims. There was a news story after the Boston bombing of a Michigan Muslim community raising funds for the victims, and I thought it was wonderful. Those are Muslims I welcome in my community.

 

[BrianFromWA]

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe/2013/05/2013522171012368683.html

video of the cleaver-wielding suspect. Allegedly.

 

[TradeNurkicNow]

After one attack, yes. Two, yes. Five, maybe. Ten, unsure. Twenty, thirty, at some point when you see attack after attack being done in the name of a specific religion, I think many people who are not reactionary, start to distrust that religion. And if the good peaceful followers of that religion don't stand up and loudly condemn those who kill in the name of their religion, then expect everyone to view that religion as a violent and horrific religion.

How can you distrust a religion? How can a religion be violent and horrific? And honestly, if the majority of Muslims DID stand up and "loudly condemn" Islamic terrorism, how would you know?

Some people don't care. Others do care. And I am more talking about groups, organizations, communities, mosques and Imams more than just other followers. But, I do think followers should encourage their church and groups to not only make statements of condemnation, but also hold bake sales or pot lucks to try and raise funds for the victims. There was a news story after the Boston bombing of a Michigan Muslim community raising funds for the victims, and I thought it was wonderful. Those are Muslims I welcome in my community.

Right. So, the Muslims who don't feel the need to hold a fucking bake sale to apologize for the actions of complete strangers who happen to share their religion aren't welcomed in your community? Muslims who won't do the "We're-not-terrorists" song and dance for your approval need not apply?

 

[DaLincolnJones]

How can you distrust a religion? How can a religion be violent and horrific? And honestly, if the majority of Muslims DID stand up and "loudly condemn" Islamic terrorism, how would you know?



Right. So, the Muslims who don't feel the need to hold a fucking bake sale to apologize for the actions of complete strangers who happen to share their religion aren't welcomed in your community? Muslims who won't do the "We're-not-terrorists" song and dance for your approval need not apply?

with all respect

the very form of government you mistake as a "religon", would tell you that appling western thinking is a mistake

 

[Further]

How can you distrust a religion? How can a religion be violent and horrific?

I distrust many religions, and the more recently there is a violence streak, the more I distrust. And are you really asking how a religion can be violent and horrific! Over and over throughout history religion as been the hand that wielded the sword.

And honestly, if the majority of Muslims DID stand up and "loudly condemn" Islamic terrorism, how would you know?

I knew when in Bangladesh they stood up and and demanded tougher penalties or breaking Islamic law. I read the paper, watch the news, if many thousands of Muslims started a movement of publicly condemning terrorist actions, I'm pretty sure I would hear about it.

Right. So, the Muslims who don't feel the need to hold a fucking bake sale to apologize for the actions of complete strangers who happen to share their religion aren't welcomed in your community? Muslims who won't do the "We're-not-terrorists" song and dance for your approval need not apply?

To a degree, yes. I'm not going to chase them out, or even be rude or disrespectful. But yes, I would like to live around people who are so repulsed by this violence that they need others to know that who they are is completely different from who the zealots are.

 

[maxiep]

Religion of peace.

Or in this case, pieces.

You took my line, but you made it funnier with the last bit. Repped!

 

[MARIS61]

I don't think there's much they can really do to appease reactionary and short-sighted people. Folks with an ounce of common sense and understanding wouldn't come to such a conclusion.

Read the Koran, then post.

 

[MARIS61]

I expected to read how a local chap handily dispatched the miscreant with his Walther but then I remembered Brits have no right to bear arms to defend themselves.

Guess they need to ban meat cleavers next.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

If American Muslims want people to believe they're not in league with the terrorists, they should say more stuff like this:

If American Christians want people to believe they're not idiots, they shouldn't say things like this.

 

[PapaG]

They actually beheaded the soldier on the street while chanting "Allah Ahkbar".

 

[Further]

What is so wrong with saying BlazerWookee said? He did not say anything racist, mean derogatory or false. IF A then B. he is not saying they are in league with the terrorists, he is simply saying that if they want to make sure they are viewed in a good light they should condemn violence.

 

[MARIS61]

The government apparently manned the editing booth for the news outlet. They cut the part where the police arrived and shot them.

 

[PapaG]

What is so wrong with saying BlazerWookee said? He did not say anything racist, mean derogatory or false. IF A then B. he is not saying they are in league with the terrorists, he is simply saying that if they want to make sure they are viewed in a good light they should condemn violence.

Vanilla Gorilla is a militant atheist who hates Christianity.

He's young, too, so take what he says with a grain of salt.

 

[MARIS61]

WTF is a militant atheist?

 

[Further]

Vanilla Gorilla is a militant atheist who hates Christianity.

He's young, too, so take what he says with a grain of salt.

I am an atheist, so I don't think that's it.

 

[MARIS61]

Hardly a word about the victim, Brits must be cold-blooded.