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I really wonder if this incident will prove to be a turning point in the UK. There was a book called Londonistan that described the policy of the UK government allowing anti-western and anti-British rhetoric from Muslims residing in the UK, as long as there weren't acts of terrorism performed in Britain. Finsbury Park may now see quite a bit more scrutiny in light of this attack.
 
What you said was the exact opposite of "innocent until proven guilty" and is a pretty despicable form of bigotry. What you said was that for Americans who happen Muslim to not be seen as terrorists, they must publicly speak out against terrorism. That's fucking barbaric and ridiculous, you should be ashamed.
Bullshit. I'll address this more next week...
 
Don't these threads that turn into athiests vs. christian debates get old?

Its like the same day that VanilGoril found out Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny weren't real, he also found out God wasn't real and needs to let the world know.
Gorilla's Christophobia is epic.
 
Don't these threads that turn into athiests vs. christian debates get old?

Its like the same day that VanilGoril found out Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny weren't real, he also found out God wasn't real and needs to let the world know.

This thread didn't turn into atheists vs. Christians, and was never going to. In adult conversations, mentioning something does not make the whole conversation revolve around it. I dislike ignorance. Christians are more ignorant than atheists. I think it, I said it, get over it.

This thread also isn't about whether God exists or not, which you brought up anyway.

Thanks for your wonderful contribution.
 
Egyptian President Mohammed Morsi

Ok, maybe I'm missing your point. What I take from that quote is that Morsi wants future generations to continue the hatred of Jews forever.....whether the US is in the middle east or not.

I think children will continue to be raised with as hatred in their hearts, regardless of what the US does.

Go Blazers
 
Ok, maybe I'm missing your point. What I take from that quote is that Morsi wants future generations to continue the hatred of Jews forever.....whether the US is in the middle east or not.

I think children will continue to be raised with as hatred in their hearts, regardless of what the US does.

Go Blazers

If you think the head of the Muslim Brotherhood has that much influence on Muslims, or even most Egyptians, then you're mistaken. Mohammed Morsi is a politician, and what he says won't alter the general course of the Middle East, which is one of liberalization, "opening up" and acceptance of the West.
 
If you think the head of the Muslim Brotherhood has that much influence on Muslims, or even most Egyptians, then you're mistaken. Mohammed Morsi is a politician, and what he says won't alter the general course of the Middle East, which is one of liberalization, "opening up" and acceptance of the West.

it's a tough thing from over here, we only hear a small handful of names of the leaders and automatically assume they have great influence. I would love to actually know what the general opinions are of the populous over there.
 
it's a tough thing from over here, we only hear a small handful of names of the leaders and automatically assume they have great influence. I would love to actually know what the general opinions are of the populous over there.

It's not much but I saw this on reddit awhile ago and it offers a brief look into average life in Iran. Taken by a lonely plant photographer with some insightful captions. Iran looks like a beautiful country.



Here is the reddit link if you want to scour the comments



Couple captions I found noteworthy

"Life is becoming drastically difficult for ordinary Iranians but many feel powerless to change the situation. Said one Tehrani "we're not naive like the Arabs to think a violent uprising will magically fix everything. We've had our revolution.. and things only got worse"

A group of friends in the hills above Tehran. Many (every single one I met) young Iranians feel deeply embarassed by their government, and the way the nation is perceived abroad. Zac Clayton, a British cyclist who will finish a round-the-world cycle on March 23 describes Iran as having the kindest people of any country he cycled through. "I found most Iranians - particularly the younger generation - to be very aware of the world around them ... with a burning desire for the freedoms they feel they are being denied by an out of touch, ultra-conservative religious elite

A young worker walks through the light of a stained glass window in the Tehran Bazaar. Under Khomeini Iranians were actively encouraged to produce large families. By 2009 nearly 70% of all Iranians were under 30, but the country is the least religious in the Middle East. Instead of the "armies for Islam" Khomeini had called for, the youthful population is now seen as the biggest threat to the deeply unpopular regime.
 
it's a tough thing from over here, we only hear a small handful of names of the leaders and automatically assume they have great influence. I would love to actually know what the general opinions are of the populous over there.

Good thing for you that Egypt is one of the most studied countries in the region. There's plenty to be read about the country.

I'd say if you want to get a better idea of public opinion then you need to think about the demographics: 84 million people. Obviously there are many people living in huge urban centers. Egypt's cities are quite liberal. They are tourist hotbeds with malls and music and fashion and arts and and culture, just as you might imagine them. Egypt is the Hollywood of the Middle East and the biggest producer of popular culture and media in the region. Then again, the rural part of the population is quite poverty stricken and highly religious and conservative. So, in a way they are a conflicted population, but isn't any country that is making the transition from rural and tribal to modern and Western?

If you want to more about the public reaction to Morsi and the Brotherhood, then you need to read about the revolution and how it applies to Egyptian/Arab culture. Allegiances are complex. I wish there was an easier answer than telling you to read about it, but that's kind of the point. Life be complicated, yo.
 
And yeah, Iran's younger generation is some of the most progressive and tech-savvy people in the region.
 
It's not much but I saw this on reddit awhile ago and it offers a brief look into average life in Iran. Taken by a lonely plant photographer with some insightful captions. Iran looks like a beautiful country.



Here is the reddit link if you want to scour the comments



Couple captions I found noteworthy

"Life is becoming drastically difficult for ordinary Iranians but many feel powerless to change the situation. Said one Tehrani "we're not naive like the Arabs to think a violent uprising will magically fix everything. We've had our revolution.. and things only got worse"

A group of friends in the hills above Tehran. Many (every single one I met) young Iranians feel deeply embarassed by their government, and the way the nation is perceived abroad. Zac Clayton, a British cyclist who will finish a round-the-world cycle on March 23 describes Iran as having the kindest people of any country he cycled through. "I found most Iranians - particularly the younger generation - to be very aware of the world around them ... with a burning desire for the freedoms they feel they are being denied by an out of touch, ultra-conservative religious elite

A young worker walks through the light of a stained glass window in the Tehran Bazaar. Under Khomeini Iranians were actively encouraged to produce large families. By 2009 nearly 70% of all Iranians were under 30, but the country is the least religious in the Middle East. Instead of the "armies for Islam" Khomeini had called for, the youthful population is now seen as the biggest threat to the deeply unpopular regime.


Repped, really enjoyed that. I have heard the youth is liberal and not angry with the west, I hope it's true. I suspect it is for most, but like any large population every opinion can be found. Just look on our board.

Late 90's I got to go to Turkey and had an amazing time, beautiful plac with truly nice people. It sure would be nice to feel comfortable to visit Iran, Lebanon, Egypt and other great areas. Egypt may be possible, but the others are risky, especially for an American with a Jewish name and history.
 
This thread didn't turn into atheists vs. Christians, and was never going to. In adult conversations, mentioning something does not make the whole conversation revolve around it. I dislike ignorance. Christians are more ignorant than atheists. I think it, I said it, get over it.

Allow me to be the second to encourage you to pound sand up your ass.

Go Blazers
 
Ladies and Gentlemen, we're getting close to **slypokerdog** territory. Let's dial it back a bit. Let me know if you have questions.

On another note, I don't generally agree with Rick Steves' worldview, but if you have an hour, his Iran show is worth checking out. And it jibes with what the last few posts have been saying about the younger generation in Iran. I think this video was posted in 2011, but I watched the original before the elections/demonstrations in 2011, and wasn't surprised by them when I saw the news.

[video=youtube;BhvNtczcLfo]
 
Allow me to be the second to encourage you to pound sand up your ass.

Go Blazers

Maybe you and yours practice the art of pounding sand up each others asses, but I've never experienced it, nor would I like to. You're welcome to do whatever you please in the comfort of your own home though!
 
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Just a Brit youth Muslim who basically said the same things you are saying, but from a very emotional and personal perspective. For me, it helped connect a complex and often overly-intellectualized subject to a face and a person who is affected. I think that's important to remind us that these issues arent just forum fodder.
 
So ... people do know that Christians are still being slaughtered in Egypt by members of the Muslim Brotherhood, right?

After the Arab Spring, it's really unknown how many were killed because of their religion, and our media certainly wasn't going to report it, since it was King Barack's shining moment of diplomacy.
 
Of course, the overwhelming majority of Muslims are not terrorists or sympathetic to terrorists. Equating all Muslims with terrorism is stupid and wrong. But acknowledging that there is a link between Islam and terror is appropriate and necessary.

On both sides of the Atlantic, politicians, academics and the media have shown incredible patience as the drumbeat of Islamist terror attacks continues. When President Obama gave his first statement about the Boston bombings, he didn't mention Islam at all. This week, Prime Minister David Cameron and London Mayor Boris Johnson have repeated the reassuring statements of the Muslim leaders to the effect that Lee Rigby's murder has nothing to do with Islam.

But many ordinary people hear such statements and scratch their heads in bewilderment. A murderer kills a young father while yelling "Allahu akbar" and it's got nothing to do with Islam?

I don't blame Western leaders. They are doing their best to keep the lid on what could become a meltdown of trust between majority populations and Muslim minority communities.

But I do blame Muslim leaders. It is time they came up with more credible talking points. Their communities have a serious problem. Young people, some of whom are not born into the faith, are being fired up by preachers using basic Islamic scripture and mobilized to wage jihad by radical imams who represent themselves as legitimate Muslim clergymen.

I wonder what would happen if Muslim leaders like Julie Siddiqi started a public and persistent campaign to discredit these Islamist advocates of mayhem and murder. Not just uttering the usual laments after another horrifying attack, but making a constant, high-profile effort to show the world that the preachers of hate are illegitimate. After the next zealot has killed the next victim of political Islam, claims about the "religion of peace" would ring truer.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100...8503613890263762.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop
 

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