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Cippy91 said:
I think people on the right can be ridiculous but the difference is they don’t sit and get outraged about every little thing and get so sensitive. They just say dumb shit and follow the party blindly. People on the left say the dumb shit too but everything is feelings, it’s like they can’t see past it and they are right no matter what. You’re either with them or against them. Where people on the right have a don’t give a fuck attitude. Not that I care for either personality because I don’t but I feel those are some differences
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Disagree 100%. The snowflake right gets up in arms about everything these days.
 
Questions arise over politics, motivation of caravan organizers

By Hollie McKay | Fox News
As several thousand Central Americans and Mexicans continue to march toward the United States in the migrant caravan, more questions are being asked about how the effort was brought together, who is behind it, and what prompted the movement to this point just weeks before critical U.S. elections.

While some claim the caravan began organically, others argue opponents of President Donald Trump's immigration policy have played a key role in the movement, with the aim of embarrassing the U.S. administration, and its supporters in Central American countries like Honduras.

“This caravan was initially organized by Bartolo Fuentes, a known leftist activist and former member of the national Congress in 2013, representing the political party of deposed Honduras president Manuel Zelaya," Johan Obdola, president of Latin America-focused global intelligence and security firm IOSI, told Fox News. "Now, this is not new, but is the first time it gets a high level of international media attention. And the reasons are beyond the political.”

Obdola argued it's in the interest of Honduran opposition members like Zelaya to “actively create violent acts and destabilization in Honduras," and said the caravans are part of a plan to keep the region "in constant chaos." He also argued the former Honduran leader – who served as president from 2006 to 2009 – is closely allied with the Venezuelan regime of Nicolas Maduro, and questioned that conflict-riddled nation’s role in fostering mass migration in an effort to embarrass the current, pro-U.S. Honduran President Juan Orlando Hernandez.

Honduras has been plagued by discord since its election last November of Hernandez, who defeated Zelaya. Many Zelaya supporters protested the results, claiming they were fixed in favor of a U.S-approved leader. The subsequent unrest has been cited as a key factor for Hondurans wanting to leave their country.

Fuentes, a former Zelaya government legislator and host of the migration-focused radio show “Without Borders,” is often characterized by Honduran government figures as a "coyote," or human trafficker.

“They had been unable to afford coyotes, so they viewed joining this caravan as their opportunity to flee turmoil in much of Central America,” said James Hyde, an analyst and member of the Electromagnetic Pulse Task Force on National and Homeland Security. “When Honduran TV picked up the posts and the reactions to it, the number of people swelled from hundreds to thousands.”

Hiring coyote smugglers for the perilous journey can cost up to $5,000, more than double what most Hondurans make in one year.

“It’s very well-organized by those who started the social media campaign. It gained momentum when Bartolo Fuentes got involved and the movement stirred up lawyers group funded with dark money, who teach those headed north what to say for asylum,” Hyde said. “Joining the massive group is simple. People decide to cast away their current lives and jump into the opportunity to join.”

Word spread with media attention and a local news coverage. And soon Hondurans from across the country, who saw it as an opportunity to relocate cheaply and under the guise of “safety in numbers,” allowing them safe passage from dangerous drug cartels and smugglers along the dangerous roads.

“There are some humanitarian and social groups assisting the caravan along the way. Some with only a humanitarian interest, some with more of a political interest who see the USA and Trump as the enemy.”

Others contend that whatever the legitimate asylum claims of those in group, international law dictates caravans should not make it to the United States border.

“International law on asylum is that the asylum seeker is supposed to present themselves to the authorities of the first international border they reach upon fleeing their countries," said Dennis Santiago, a global risk and foreign policy analyst. "For Central Americans fleeing north from their governments, that country is Mexico; specifically, the southern border of Mexico.”

Joseph Fallon, a research associate for the U.K. Defense Forum, also argued that “if fear of violence in their country was their primary motive, they could have traveled to neighboring Costa Rica.”

For the first time ever in 2016, Mexico deported double the number of Central Americans than did the United States. That has at least in part what has motivated many to head north.

Yet at least some of those seeking asylum also appear to have been "coached," according to several sources, and have memorized scripted stories that would make them more sympathetic to U.S. immigration officials.

“Caravans didn’t exist before 2010. Trips are carefully planned and coached. Aliens removed do share their experiences back home and that presents lessons learned for a return trip for others planning their first run,” Gabriel Ruiz, a California border-based deportation officer with the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), told Fox News. "Almost all have birth certificates and identity documents, but establishing the validity of those documents is time-consuming and difficult because a processing officer doesn’t have that sort of time to investigate identities in detail.”

Hollie McKay has a been a Fox News Digital staff reporter since 2007. She has extensively reported from war zones including Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Afghanistan, Pakistan and Burma and investigates global conflicts, war crimes and terrorism around the world. Follow her on twitter and Instagram @holliesmckay
 
Cippy91 said:
I think people on the right can be ridiculous but the difference is they don’t sit and get outraged about every little thing and get so sensitive. They just say dumb shit and follow the party blindly. People on the left say the dumb shit too but everything is feelings, it’s like they can’t see past it and they are right no matter what. You’re either with them or against them. Where people on the right have a don’t give a fuck attitude. Not that I care for either personality because I don’t but I feel those are some differences
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Lol.
 
MarAzul said:
I am sure you are on record now. Nice of you to make it clear.
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I was already suspended from twitter for a brief time
MARIS61 said:
No.

I voted for him both times.

Turns out he lied his ass off to get elected, and did everything his opponents said he and the DNC would do after getting elected.

So I abandoned my lying party to vote against them.

That's how Real Americans do it. :cheers:

Only cowards and cretins resort to violence when they don't get their way.
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Real Americans huh?

Also, I didn’t direct that question to you but thanks for chiming in
 
MARIS61 said:
How "brave" of you to anonymously threaten a man in his 70's.

You're a regular Maxine Waters. :cheers:
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I didn’t anonymously threaten him. I did it publicly. There are other places to do such things outside of S2 genius

Also, Trump has outwardly, without shame, threatened people. I don’t give a fuck what his age is. If he’s going to talk big then deal with the repercussions. He’s a fat old nobody bully with a big mouth. He needs his ass kicked badly

And you live in an alternative reality.
 
MARIS61 said:
Don't mess with CNN.

That's the unvarnished version of a message that the network's president, Jeff Zucker, delivered to President-elect Donald Trump in an interview published on Thursday by New York magazine.

"One of the things I think this administration hasn’t figured out yet is that there’s only one television network that is seen in Beijing, Moscow, Seoul, Tokyo, Pyongyang, Baghdad, Tehran and Damascus — and that’s CNN," Zucker said. "The perception of Donald Trump in capitals around the world is shaped, in many ways, by CNN. Continuing to have an adversarial relationship with that network is a mistake."

Absolute admission by Zucker that his personally and politically controlled "media outlet" business (CNN) routinely uses and intends to continue using any and all means including lies, fabrications, twisted facts, outrageous opinions, slander, libel, defamation of character, and open threats on Twitter to deceive the world about our President while shielding our countries domestic enemies.

Apparently in collusion with and intending to give hope to our worst enemies.

He just pissed on what tiny shreds of credibility CNN had.
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Routinely? Where do you get that?
 
Is it strange that they covered the van in a tarp? It's not covered in blood or anything like that.

Maybe there are some offensive stickers on the van?

I don't see the point.
 
rotary111 said:
Is it strange that they covered the van in a tarp? It's not covered in blood or anything like that.

Maybe there are some offensive stickers on the van?

I don't see the point.
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Need to preserve the MAGA nonsense plastered all over the vehicle, could be evidence pertaining to his targets.
 
rotary111 said:
Is it strange that they covered the van in a tarp? It's not covered in blood or anything like that.

Maybe there are some offensive stickers on the van?

I don't see the point.
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My first reaction to that was they were trying to stop people from doing what I'm doing right now lmao
 
Cippy91 said:
Yeah I don’t even know why I commented on this thread, it’s always just a bunch of outrage and blaming others for ones issue. I don’t care for trump but man that’s so illogical and completely ridiculous to blame this seriess of events on him. I forgot we live in the northwest. the most leftist place on earth. Logic doesn’t apply, just feelings. I honestly can’t wait for him to not be president anymore so I can stop seeing all the outrage and ridiculousness surrounding this shit. Honestly at this point I rather Hillary would of won just so people would shut the fuck up, shits never ending
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I agree with everything you said up to Hillary winning. Id rather Bernie, Johnson or anyone else than a Clinton. They are the most corrupt political duet this country has ever seen. And it didn't start in WDC.
 
Oh no, Attorney General, Jeff Sessions is on the case. Now, they'll never get a conviction. That guy is incredibly incompetent.
 
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