Swanigan is the Best Big in CBB (Ringer - 1/17)

[Boob-No-More]

Meyers Leonard has faster better footwork than Swanigan.

No he doesn't. And, Meyers completely shies away from contact in the low post. Swanigan thrives on contact.

BNM

 

[kjironman1]

So, I take it @kjironman1 is NOT a fan.

BNM

You guys simply don't read well. Yes i will be pulling for this kid. he has shown great strides and would be an awesome story if he works hard enough to actually make the team. But at this point he will have to continue to work very very hard to even see the court is all i am saying.

 

[Boob-No-More]

That like comparing this kid to Love is a complete joke.

Comparing him to Meyers Leonard is an even bigger joke. This kid improved EVERY aspect of his game from his freshman to sophomore years. Meyers Leonard has regressed in every aspect of his game for three straight years. Two players could not have less in common, yet you made that comparison.

BNM

 

[oldfisherman]

Swanigan's BB IQ is much much higher than Leonard's.

 

[kjironman1]

No he doesn't. And, Meyers completely shies away from contact in the low post. Swanigan thrives on contact.

BNM

We will see i guess. From what i am seeing on every video and report is that this kid is very slow afoot and does not move well with or without the ball. He is very two dimensional.

 

[oldfisherman]

We will see i guess. From what i am seeing on every video and report is that this kid is very slow afoot and does not move well with or without the ball. He is very two dimensional.

This is so wrong. Swanigan never stops moving, and he is almost always in the best position, especially for rebounds.

 

[kjironman1]

Comparing him to Meyers Leonard is an even bigger joke. This kid improved EVERY aspect of his game from his freshman to sophomore years. Meyers Leonard has regressed in every aspect of his game for three straight years. Two players could not have less in common, yet you made that comparison.

BNM

From what i see Swanigan will not get a second contract. Leonard will have a longer and better career. But that is to be seen now isn't it. Not saying Leonard is doing anything to help himself.

 

[Boob-No-More]

You guys simply don't read well. Yes i will be pulling for this kid. he has shown great strides and would be an awesome story if he works hard enough to actually make the team. But at this point he will have to continue to work very very hard to even see the court is all i am saying.

My reading is fine. Condescend much? You are NOT a fan of his game.

He will see the court. Guys that play their asses off (literally) always do. Maybe not as a starter, but his physical limitations will be much less of a problem against other second stringers when his strength, length, skill set and most of all his motor will give him advantages over other back ups.

The comparison to Duckworth is also a lazy one. Duck constantly gained weight over the course of his entire life. This kid has lost 114 pounds since 8th grade (and supposedly has lost even more since the draft combine). When you're homeless, proper nutrition and a gym membership just aren't in the cards. Once he got into a stable home environment, started eating right and working out, the pounds flew off. The guy does 2 hours of cardio every day. I'm not worried about him ballooning up like Duck did.

BNM

 

[kjironman1]

This is so wrong. Swanigan never stops moving, and he is almost always in the best position, especially for rebounds.

They said the same exact thing about Cliff Alexander. That would be who i would compare this guy to.

 

[kjironman1]

My reading is fine. Condescend much? You are NOT a fan of his game.

He will see the court. Guys that play their asses off (literally) always do. Maybe not as a starter, but his physical limitations will be much less of a problem against other second stringers when his strength, length, skill set and most of all his motor will give him advantages over other back ups.

The comparison to Duckworth is also a lazy one. Duck constantly gained weight over the course of his entire life. This kid has lost 114 pounds since 8th grade (and supposedly has lost even more since the draft combine). When you're homeless, proper nutrition and a gym membership just aren't in the cards. Once he got into a stable home environment, started eating right and working out, the pounds flew off. The guy does 2 hours of cardio every day. I'm not worried about him ballooning up like Duck did.

BNM

Again you didn't read that right. There was absolutely no comparison to DUCKWORTH. Duck was a 7 footer. But he prevailed against weight issues.

 

[Boob-No-More]

From what i see Swanigan will not get a second contract. Leonard will have a longer and better career. But that is to be seen now isn't it. Not saying Leonard is doing anything to help himself.

So, you think a 20-year old who improved EVERY aspect of his game from his freshman to sophomore years is done improving?

This kid has the desire and work ethic to get better. I wouldn't count him out before you've seen him play one second of NBA basketball.

BNM

 

[Haakzilla]

...at 26th he is a perfect flyer, but I did enjoy this bit from the article

It’s clear that there are doubts about Swanigan’s ability to succeed at the next level, even if I’m not much for projecting NBA potential. He isn’t the greatest athlete, his defense needs serious work, and he doesn’t fit the mold for any position in the league. But here’s the cool part about being a college basketball fan: I don’t have to give a shit about what Swanigan may or may not do in the NBA.

 

[riverman]

You guys simply don't read well

you write really well....glad to see you posting again but our reading comprehension isn't at question....your statement that he'll never be anything but a small ball 5 and maybe not even that, I disagree with....simply that...I don't know why we're comparing a 20 year old with Kevin Love or Kevin Duckworth or Meyers Leonard at this point....what the Blazers need is a defensive coordinator in my view for everyone on the roster

 

[kjironman1]

So, you think a 20-year old who improved EVERY aspect of his game from his freshman to sophomore years is done improving?

This kid has the desire and work ethic to get better. I wouldn't count him out before you've seen him play one second of NBA basketball.

BNM

Totally agree. That is what i said. He needs to work his tail off to make an impact. But right now he looks a lot like Cliff Alexander. Who by the way is playing for The Erie Bay Hawks.

 

[42N8Bounce]

Sure i'll root for the guy to succeed but he simply is not even in Love's league. I also remember a huge stop last year to pretty much seal the Championship against Steph Curry in the open court. So all this "Love doesn't play defense" talk is way wrong. He plays solid defense and Love can get a quick second jump like very few that have ever played the game. Comparing Swanigan to Love is pretty much ridiculous at this point.

Why is comparing Swanigan to Love 'ridiculous'?

Swanigan:
6'9", 247 lbs
standing reach: 9'0"
wingspan: 7'3"
Per40: (So): 22.7 ppg, 15.3 rpg, 3.7 apg, 1.0 bpg, 44.7% 3pt

Love:
6'10", 255 lbs
standing reach: 8'10"
wingspan: 6'11"
Per40: (Fr) 23.6 ppg, 14.4 rpg, 2.6 apg, 1.9 bpg, 35.4% 3pt

I'd say there are quite a few comparable stats there.

Swanigan was the #2 rebounder in the country in one of the toughest conferences. Virtually all of his stats improved from his freshman to sophomore year.

Swanigan may turn out to be a bust, but at the #26 pick, I think we got a steal. I see a lot more similarities (and weaknesses) in his game comparing him to Kevin Love and Zach Randolph, than I do to comparing him to busts like Ike Diogu or Sean May. This guy has some elite talent. And his work ethic to this point tells me he'll work his tail off to improve on his deficiencies.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Again you didn't read that right. There was absolutely no comparison to DUCKWORTH. Duck was a 7 footer. But he prevailed against weight issues.

No, he didn't. Duck struggled with weight his entire career and it ultimately cost him his life at the age of 44. Comparing Swanigan's weight issues to Duckworth's is just plain lazy and inaccurate. Duck's weight was constantly going up. Swanigan's has been going down for the last 7 years.

Duck = weight increasing
Swanigan = weight decreasing

Meyers = game regressing
Swanigan = game improving

Your comparisons suck.

BNM

 

[Blazinaway]

They said the same exact thing about Cliff Alexander. That would be who i would compare this guy to.

Cliff's offensive ability compared to Swanigan are pretty much non existent and his rebounding was not as good either

 

[kjironman1]

you write really well....glad to see you posting again but our reading comprehension isn't at question....your statement that he'll never be anything but a small ball 5 and maybe not even that, I disagree with....simply that...I don't know why we're comparing a 20 year old with Kevin Love or Kevin Duckworth or Meyers Leonard at this point....what the Blazers need is a defensive coordinator in my view for everyone on the roster

I was not the one that compared this guy to Love, Randolph. I said Meyers only because he is currently on the team but that doesn't fit either because again he is a 7 footer. It was more of a knock on Meyers really. Right now i don't see this guy making much of an impact. But who knows? We hope for the best around here.

 

[Trackjack]

Meyers Leonard has faster better footwork than Swanigan.

But a slower brain thou.

 

[kjironman1]

No, he didn't. Duck struggled with weight his entire career and it ultimately cost him his life at the age of 44. Comparing Swanigan's weight issues to Duckworth's is just plain lazy and inaccurate. Duck's weight was constantly going up. Swanigan's has been going down for the last 7 years.

Duck = weight increasing
Swanigan = weight decreasing

Meyers = game regressing
Swanigan = game improving

Your comparisons suck.

BNM

We'll see.....
Swanigan has moved from 350 lbs at 15 (8th grade) to 250 at 19. He also lost his father and has really turned his life around so yes i will be pulling for him to succeed. Also he is a Blazer at this point so we all hope he will become a beast.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Totally agree. That is what i said. He needs to work his tail off to make an impact. But right now he looks a lot like Cliff Alexander. Who by the way is playing for The Erie Bay Hawks.

He may LOOK like Cliff Alexander because they have very similar physical measurements, but that's where the similarities end. Cliff has a low BBIQ and a questionable work ethic. That's why he's in the D/G League. Swanigan has a high BBIQ and an unquestionable work ethic.

Another lazy , inaccurate comparison. Show me when, exactly, Cliff Alexander has ever shown the type of all encompassing improvement Swanigan made from his freshman to sophomore years.

BNM

 

[kjironman1]

But a slower brain thou.

This is probaly as true a statement that anyone can come up with

 

[Trackjack]

Well the best thing we all can do is give the guy a chance who knows he might suprise you. Do I see impact is 1st year no it won't be for him not being good it because he behind to many players.

 

[kjironman1]

Why is comparing Swanigan to Love 'ridiculous'?

Swanigan:
6'9", 247 lbs
standing reach: 9'0"
wingspan: 7'3"
Per40: (So): 22.7 ppg, 15.3 rpg, 3.7 apg, 1.0 bpg, 44.7% 3pt

Love:
6'10", 255 lbs
standing reach: 8'10"
wingspan: 6'11"
Per40: (Fr) 23.6 ppg, 14.4 rpg, 2.6 apg, 1.9 bpg, 35.4% 3pt

I'd say there are quite a few comparable stats there.

Swanigan was the #2 rebounder in the country in one of the toughest conferences. Virtually all of his stats improved from his freshman to sophomore year.

Swanigan may turn out to be a bust, but at the #26 pick, I think we got a steal. I see a lot more similarities (and weaknesses) in his game comparing him to Kevin Love and Zach Randolph, than I do to comparing him to busts like Ike Diogu or Sean May. This guy has some elite talent. And his work ethic to this point tells me he'll work his tail off to improve on his deficiencies.

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Man i really hope you are right.

 

[Boob-No-More]

This is probaly as true a statement that anyone can come up with

Which is why any comparison between Meyers Leonard and Caleb Swanigan is utterly ridiculous. Meyers has no feel for the game and still looks like a deer in the headlights on the court after five seasons in the NBA.

Swanigan has a high BBIQ and a great feel for the game. He is the anti-Meyers.

BNM

 

[kjironman1]

He may LOOK like Cliff Alexander because they have very similar physical measurements, but that's where the similarities end. Cliff has a low BBIQ and a questionable work ethic. That's why he's in the D/G League. Swanigan has a high BBIQ and an unquestionable work ethic.

Another lazy , inaccurate comparison. Show me when, exactly, Cliff Alexander has ever shown the type of all encompassing improvement Swanigan made from his freshman to sophomore years.

BNM

I disagree with you there but that is the way you see it so i can respect that.

 

[Blazinaway]

But a slower brain thou.

Meyers is mentally and physically SLOW, his lateral quickness is awful as is how friggin long it takes him to jump and react to anything, and where Caleb appears to be very tough mentally and physically Meyers is a marshmallow. These guys are so far apart in many ways its a joke, that does not guarantee success by any means but trying to compare him to Meyers is IMO is a joke

 

[Boob-No-More]

Well the best thing we all can do is give the guy a chance who knows he might suprise you. Do I see impact is 1st year no it won't be for him not being good it because he behind to many players.

I'm going to disagree with you on this one. I think he will see minutes off the bench and make an impact by the end of his rookie year. His work ethic, motor and skill set will see him rapidly pass most of the guys who are currently in front of him in the rotation.

BNM

 

[kjironman1]

Cliff's offensive ability compared to Swanigan are pretty much non existent and his rebounding was not as good either

You say this now. At one point Alexander was a top five recruit straight out of high school. The entire Blazer fan base had him as a total beast and he would surprise everyone. This is my point. None of you have seen him play a second of NBA ball but want to compare him to Love and Zbo.

 

[kjironman1]

Which is why any comparison between Meyers Leonard and Caleb Swanigan is utterly ridiculous. Meyers has no feel for the game and still looks like a deer in the headlights on the court after five seasons in the NBA.

Swanigan has a high BBIQ and a great feel for the game. He is the anti-Meyers.

BNM

Nobody anywhere compared Swanigan to Meyers. All i said was at this point even Meyers had quicker foot speed. Meyers also has a way better vertical jump but there is no way to compare the two. Apples and Oranges.