Swanigan is the Best Big in CBB (Ringer - 1/17)

[kjironman1]

Wow. You guys simply do not want to hear anything that might be negative and honest about a drafted player around here. This guy is a project. Simple as that. He has to work hard and improve quite a bit to see the court. Just the way i see it at this point.

 

[Boob-No-More]

I disagree with you there but that is the way you see it so i can respect that.

It's not just the way I see it. The scouts praise Swanigan's BBIQ and work ethic. Hell, he's already had a documentary made about how hard he has worked to overcome adversity.

One of the main reasons Cliff Alexander was let go was his inability to learn the basic playbook. I don't think we're ever going to see a documentary about Cliff's legendary work ethic. He was a top 5 recruit in high school and has failed to live up to expectations. His own college coach questioned his motor.

Not the same at all...

BNM

 

[Boob-No-More]

Nobody anywhere compared Swanigan to Meyers. All i said was at this point even Meyers had quicker foot speed. Meyers also has a way better vertical jump but there is no way to compare the two. Apples and Oranges.

How is that not a comparison? You compared their foot speed, and gave the advantage to Meyers, did you not?

Now, you just compared their jumping ability. It may be an applesranges comparison, but it's still a comparison.

BNM

 

[H.C.]

Did someone just compare Nard's lack of post game(aka footwoork/lateral quickness) to Caleb's post game?
Oh my... I'm not sure I know what to say to that.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

Tha

Meyers Leonard has faster better footwork than Swanigan.

That reminds me that when a bunch of guys were comparing Collins to Leonard, I was thinking that athletically and defensively, that there were more similarities between Swanigan and Leonard.

 

[42N8Bounce]

Wow. You guys simply do not want to hear anything that might be negative and honest about a drafted player around here. This guy is a project. Simple as that. He has to work hard and improve quite a bit to see the court. Just the way i see it at this point.

It's all about balance. I acknowledge there are big weaknesses in Swanigan's game. Yes, he will need to work his but off to see the court. After that, it's an educated guess.

I'm a fan, so I like to lean towards the Zach Randolph and Kevin Love comparisons. Although I give it slim odds that he will ever be that good. Yes, he can be compared to guys like Alexander and Diogu, but my eyes tells me those comps don't line up as well as some of the better players.

In reality, Swanigan will probably be somewhere in between. I'm just hoping for the upper range of that projection.

 

[kjironman1]

How is that not a comparison? You compared their foot speed, and gave the advantage to Meyers, did you not?

Now, you just compared their jumping ability. It may be an applesranges comparison, but it's still a comparison.

BNM

Okay. And at this point Meyers has a 40 inch vertical and is way more athletic and physically faster down the court and back. But still not a good comparison as he is a total buffoon on the court. So what is you point? Meyers time is past here. A 7 footer that needs a new situation. Swanigan still needs to fill some major holes in his game to see any extended minutes in the NBA. That is fact.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

It seems to me that Swanigan is a guy that people can have legitimate and difering opinions. It appears that NBA GM's have differing opinions. So I wish we could discuss it without getting so sharp with each other. All of us want him and the Blazers to do well.

 

[riverman]

Wow. You guys simply do not want to hear anything that might be negative and honest about a drafted player around here. This guy is a project. Simple as that. He has to work hard and improve quite a bit to see the court. Just the way i see it at this point.

I agree he's a project....I think you misunderstand what I disagree with.....that he's finite....won't be able to play anything but small ball 5 and probably not that...this I disagree with...we're talking about a homeless kid who finished high school in 3 years here...not a street baller who dropped out and quit..his work ethic is stellar...nothing says to me he's not going to improve from day one with good coaching and better competition in the gym...let him bang against Nurk and Ed Davis and learn about post play....from what I've seen, he'll embrace it.

 

[Further]

I'm wrong more often than right when it comes to guessing who will be a bust or a steal. I guess, it's cause I always seem to think every Blazer drafted will be a steal. I really like Swanigan. In business class they say there is no better predictor of future growth than past growth. Same goes for bball. Look at someones past attitude, past work ethic, past improvements and that should shine a light on what's to come. But then again I thought Nard was going to be incredible, so never-mind me.

 

[Trackjack]

I'm going to disagree with you on this one. I think he will see minutes off the bench and make an impact by the end of his rookie year. His work ethic, motor and skill set will see him rapidly pass most of the guys who are currently in front of him in the rotation.

BNM

Hopefully he does but I also know Stotts he going with player he is comfortable with and that why he use players up with to many minutes.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Weren't Swanigan's vertical numbers that are being referenced from the 2016 combine, ya know, before he worked his ass off to improve his conditioning?

Isn't z-Bo's vertical like a sheet of printer paper? He had a long successful career and looks like he could play to 50. I read several of his pre-draft reports, and they all refer to his lack of later quickness and athleticism, as well as his weak defense.

 

[B-Roy]

Wow. You guys simply do not want to hear anything that might be negative and honest about a drafted player around here. This guy is a project. Simple as that. He has to work hard and improve quite a bit to see the court. Just the way i see it at this point.

Collins looks like a project. This guy can contribute off the bench immediately. I think it may be awhile before Collins is really useful, but Swanigan can be a role player for a long time.

I don't see a ton of upside though, and he's probably never a high level starter.

 

[riverman]

I'm cheering for the kid....honestly didn't know anything about him but once I started digging into film and articles I'm super impressed with his ...get ready....
"potential"....there, I said it

 

[gatorpops]

Has anyone mentioned the thought that the Blazers may be going back to Myers as center and back up Nurk.

Maybe the stretch four has been scraped.

Maybe he is ok at it until Zack is able to do the work.

Myers bridges the gap till Zack bulks up and accumates to the NBA.

Maybe Myers is traded at the deadline.

 

[Trackjack]

Meyers is mentally and physically SLOW, his lateral quickness is awful as is how friggin long it takes him to jump and react to anything, and where Caleb appears to be very tough mentally and physically Meyers is a marshmallow. These guys are so far apart in many ways its a joke, that does not guarantee success by any means but trying to compare him to Meyers is IMO is a joke

That why I said Myers brain is slower that all I said.

 

[riverman]

Meyers has to have almost a MIP season for me to gain any respect for his game...not saying he couldn't but he's got to learn basketball instincts in 2 months or he's done in my view

 

[Trackjack]

Has anyone mentioned the thought that the Blazers may be going back to Myers as canter and back up Nurk.

Maybe the stretch four has been scraped.

Maybe he is ok at it until Zack is able to do the work.

Myers bridges the gap till Zack bulks up and acculamates to the NBA.

Maybe Myers is traded at the deadline.

I believe Olshey said on his interview there looking at Collins will backing up Nurk at the start.

 

[riverman]

I believe Olshey said on his interview there looking at Collins will backing up Nurk at the start.

I thought he said future...not necessarily this upcoming season...that'll be Stotts call anyway

 

[oldfisherman]

Of course Swanigan is a project.

My guess is he will be playing very limited minutes for awhile. I believe Zach will get the first shot to break into the regular rotation.

Swanigan’s weight issues were a concern, until; I got to know about him, his past and work ethic.

One thought just entered my senile old mind. Maybe the Blazers should hire Swanigan’s mentor/father figure, Roosevelt Barnes, as an asst. coach or trainer.

About Leonard, I wanted to draft him and really liked his college game. Wish he had brought that game with him instead of constantly trying to re-invent himself.

 

[Trackjack]

I thought he said future...not necessarily this upcoming season...that'll be Stotts call anyway

Maybe that was it but I see it happening pretty quick when the season starts.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

Things that stand out to me are that most these kids come into the league believing that they are the next super star. Typical questions asked often include the "What is next for you?". Many give the usual replies of "ROY", All Star, etc etc. Most get in, accept their position, and develop as their abilities allow over the time in the league. The normal or typical path.

Biggie is the exception. This guy says that he wants to achieve something, he bears down and puts in the effort and time to improve. I can not think of a guy that has impressed me more over the past fer decades. To add to that, when was the last time that a #26 pick sparked more interest than a # 10 pick?

 

[Boob-No-More]

Okay. And at this point Meyers has a 40 inch vertical and is way more athletic and physically faster down the court and back. But still not a good comparison as he is a total buffoon on the court. So what is you point? Meyers time is past here. A 7 footer that needs a new situation.

The problem is, you keep questioning others' reading ability, yet you're the one that KEEPS comparing Swanigan to Meyers Leonard and denying that you did so:

Nobody anywhere compared Swanigan to Meyers.

Yes, somebody did and that somebody was you.

Meyers Leonard has faster better footwork than Swanigan.

All i said was at this point even Meyers had quicker foot speed. Meyers also has a way better vertical jump...

From what i see Swanigan will not get a second contract. Leonard will have a longer and better career.

So far, you have compared their foot speed and footwork in the low post, their vertical leap, their speed up and down the court and the length and quality of their careers.

Yeah, we can read just fine.

Swanigan still needs to fill some major holes in his game to see any extended minutes in the NBA. That is fact.

You can say the exact same thing about every player taken outside of the lottery (and some taken in the lottery) in every single draft - EVER.

The guy was taken with the 26th pick in the draft. No one here expects him to start, or even be in the rotation from day 1.

However, given his work ethic and history of improvement, some of us think he will eventually carve out a niche for himself coming off the bench in the NBA.

You, on the other hand are dismissing him before you've seen him play one second against NBA competition:

From what i see Swanigan will not get a second contract...

What exactly have you actually seen?

I knew pretty much nothing about this guy.

So, you've never actually seen the guy play, but you've already written him off.

BNM

 

[riverman]

This is escalating and really doen't need to....

 

[Pinwheel1]

Aren't they all technically "projects"?Aren't we all "projecting" how good ALL of them will be? I am not sure there is one rookie who was drafted this week who is good enough right now where he could be a difference maker in a playoff series........ without improving quite a bit. They all have weaknesses because most of them are so damn young.

It is pretty hard to project how good these players will be, but one of the things they look for in their evaluation is a player's drive and work ethic. I agree that if Swanigan has that going for him........ then that is a plus. But of course the great ones never ever lose that edge even after they have reached the top. (or get paid)

Bottom line is they are all projects IMO.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

I learned from the Collins thread that he's compared to Meyers because they're both white. So clearly, comparisons of Swanigan to Meyers is not acceptable and completely unfounded.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Weren't Swanigan's vertical numbers that are being referenced from the 2016 combine, ya know, before he worked his ass off to improve his conditioning?

Isn't z-Bo's vertical like a sheet of printer paper? He had a long successful career and looks like he could play to 50. I read several of his pre-draft reports, and they all refer to his lack of later quickness and athleticism, as well as his weak defense.

This is highschool and he still looks way out of shape.

 

[chzbrgr]

dont let the door hit you on your way over to oregonlive @kjironman1 hopefully we'll see you again in another 6 months for a new round of your shit posting

 

[riverman]

kjironman is a great poster....I have always enjoyed his posts....lot of unnecessary snark over simple opinions really didn't start with kjironman...came from folks who disagreed. It's ok to disagree without attacking the dude....this ain't the OT section last time I checked

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

kjironman is a great poster....I have always enjoyed his posts....lot of unnecessary snark over simple opinions really didn't start with kjironman...came from folks who disagreed. It's ok to disagree without attacking the dude....this ain't the OT section last time I checked

First thing that stood out to me was his can't read insult.